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This is the talk page for discussing WikiProject Feminism and anything related to its purposes and tasks.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help. Assume good faith Be polite and avoid personal attacks Be welcoming to newcomers Seek dispute resolution if needed

Archives: Index, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6Auto-archiving period: 3 months

Talk:Rape#Definition of rape / sexual assault

Opinions are needed. The discussion is about whether or not the articles should be merged/whether or not the Rape article should exist. Flyer22 (talk) 02:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Domestic violence and pregnancy in need of rescue

Domestic violence and pregnancy has been nominated for deletion. It mostly just needs a lead clean-up and some NPOV tweaking. Anyone want to help? Kaldari (talk) 23:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Deletion discussion closed as keep. The article could still use work, but what article couldn't. Danger (talk) 08:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Worldwide view in Feminism

I am having some trouble with adding a worldwide view to the history section of Feminism, if anyone can comment on the discussion at Talk:Feminism#History section needs worldwide view it would be really appreciated. Thanks --Aronoel (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Aronoel, I couldn't find that section, is it still there? I just added a talk section to discuss the lack of a worldview in Feminism#Men_and_masculinity. Elements of this section imply that feminism is misandry. Can anyone else comment over there? Roger6r (talk) 03:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Retiring from Misplaced Pages

When I first joined Misplaced Pages, I did it for the women hockey. It in its own way, became writing therapy for me in the sense that I was able to write about what I loved. Misplaced Pages allowed me to sort out parts of my life that I needed to deal with ( I am a former junior player of hockey which stopped because of a grave wound in 2009)

There are a lot of users who I worked that I would like to thank for their assistance: Ottawa4ever, Maple Leaf, LauraHale and Kaldari . For those other users whose names I failed to mention, thanks you.

To all women users, good luck and courage on Misplaced Pages. This is a man's world. --Geneviève (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Or consider taking a break. I have been from most contentious articles anyway - (though still haven't been getting much writing done off wiki ;-(. But one day the itch to get in there will return, and perhaps yours will too! CarolMooreDC (talk) 14:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Genevieve, there are those who would like us to think this is a man's world, but it is, and always has been, a person's world. Roger6r (talk) 03:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Geneviève, I've seen your contributions time and time again. Thank you for all your work, and I hope you'll decide to come back someday. You'll be much missed. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Very much missed. Its very sad people are continually being driven off wiki, dispite a clear need for them to be here. This will probably only continue to worsen with others. Misplaced Pages is like a certain political party in power for years; head buried in the sand saying nothings wrong, nothing needs to be done to attract people over, we'll keep on truckin like everythings going to be ok......and then comes the future, opps where did all our supporters go?cricket noise Ottawa4ever (talk) 10:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Please contribute

Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:Rubyfruit Jungle#Initial post. HairyWombat 22:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

So apparently removing crude humor about vaginas now requires consensus, while all other vandalism can be deleted on sight. Kaldari (talk) 22:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Reminder - Misplaced Pages:Civil#Identifying_incivility: (b) personal attacks, including racial, ethnic, sexual, gender-related and religious slurs, and derogatory references to groups such as social classes or nationalities; CarolMooreDC (talk) 00:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Well I tried deleting it twice and was reverted. Perhaps others could share their views. (Click "show" next to "Much ado about nothing.") Kaldari (talk) 16:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I think that arguing on an out of the way page is less useful than taking the issue to a centralized place, like the talk page guidelines discussion page, which seems to be what's actually at issue (whether offensive comments should be removed). That's why I hatted the discussion in the first place. --Danger (talk) 16:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I've opened discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Talk page guidelines. Kaldari (talk) 01:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

AfD for Iris Wedgwood: Should women simply be merged into the lives of their husbands and children?

I've suggested that Iris Wedgwood simply be merged into the lives of her husband and children-- our notability guidelines have no place for an achievement such as hers :) Feel free to chime in on this one ... Trilliumz (talk) 15:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Project scope

Should articles like Rape during the occupation of Germany fall under the scope of this Wiki-project? If so, then perhaps the Wikiproject banner could be placed on the article talkpage. --Martin (talk) 19:51, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I've added the banner plus assessment. Kaldari (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I've added the banner to Misogyny (really needs it, be careful not to get banned fixing it), Femininity, Gender Roles (Should be renamed Gender Stereotypes), and Misandry (need to bust up the misconception that misandry is feminism). Roger6r (talk) 14:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Femininity

More opinions are needed at femininity if anyone is interested. Thanks--Aronoel (talk) 06:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I added to your discussion on the talk page section "Stereotype." I would like the intro to declare the article is explicitly about the feminine stereotype if that is what is being defended. Also, there needs to be references for the stereotypes that are there, especially in the lead. Roger6r (talk) 04:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'd be interested in your input on my recent addition to the talk for changing the Main Picture. Roger6r (talk) 04:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I am adding "Computer Programming" to the list of traditionally feminine occupations because the first modern computer programmers were women. Please join the discussion. Roger6r (talk) 04:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Awatef Rasheed

Recently created article (and an autobiography). Needs a lot of clean up and I suspect it may have trouble (at least in its current state) passing the notability guidelines. Members familiar with the area may be able to help. Voceditenore (talk) 13:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

AfD for Carole Berry

Writer of mysteries about office temp workers. How could temp girls be notable when they're just cheap labor here today, gone tomorrow? Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Carole Berry Trilliumz (talk) 03:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Result was keep but needs more work. CarolMooreDC (talk) 01:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Rape culture

Hello e'erybody,

The rape culture page has come under fairly intense scrutiny lately (this isn't necessarily a bad thing). Since it's important to discuss violence against women on that page w/r/t rape culture (duh), and since editors doubt the existence of rape culture (or require more neutrality), it's become difficult to edit. Has anyone been following the recent case in NYC, where two cops were complicit in the rape of a drunk woman, yet were acquitted? And there's a good op-ed here. I guess I'm asking to keep your eyes open for more sources that discuss the case through the lens of an overarching culture of violence/obfuscation of violence, or to just help edit the page. If this is the wrong spot to post this, please let me know. --Lazer Stein (talk) 14:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, you are in the right place yes. I've commented at the talkpage and will watch the article for any flare-ups. Skomorokh 15:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Input sought

I've made a comment at Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (people)#Creative professionals guidelines pertaining to notability criteria for writers (though visual artists are also at issue). I think members of this project could bring valuable perspectives to the discussion. I was in part prompted to make the comment because of AfD notices on this page, which I watch though I'm not a member. Cynwolfe (talk)

Rectifying an old double standard

Hello. Anybody here interested in helping at Talk:Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.#Rectifying_an_old_double_standard is welcome to. I quote from my note there. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

"Hi there. I was in sixth grade when JFK died, so I'm old enough to be somewhat shocked that I never learned about his sister Rosemary until now. I would like to work with the editors of this article to place one cited sentence in the lead. I'm prepared to read any books you think are needed in order to accomplish that. I will try to be careful of Joseph's reputation and take it easy, but what happened to his daughter is almost unbelievable to me today. Is anybody else willing to help?

Our article about her brother says he was promiscuous and said to Harold Macmillan, "I wonder how it is for you, Harold? If I don't have a woman for three days, I get terrible headaches." The Associated Press quote from her obituary, "Rosemary was a woman, and there was a dread fear of pregnancy, disease and disgrace,” author Laurence Leamer wrote in an unauthorized Kennedy biography called The Kennedy Women: The Saga of an American Family. The AP obituary, "But as she got older, her father worried that his daughter's mild condition would lead her into situations that could damage the family's reputation." So we appear to have a somewhat slow but otherwise normal female whose only fault was that she was a female. It might take me a year to do it correctly and without original research, but one sentence needs to be here. Thank you for your time. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. Two users came to the rescue, one recommending a book and another suggesting (and using) a source. I need to read that book now. Anyway, thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Consciousness raising

I just stumbled across this article today and it isn't bannered with WikiProject Feminism. Should it be? Voceditenore (talk) 13:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Nick Levinson (talk) 20:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow, cool subject. I'd like to create an article on Kathie Sarachild since one doesn't exist yet. Does anyone want to collaborate on this? Roger6r (talk) 00:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Misogyny is unbalanced

The Misogyny page fails to present a worldview. I have tagged the Mythology subsection as unbalanced. Other sections could use attention as well. Please join the talk page. HypatiaX (talk) 01:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)