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| So-called "Muscovy", which according to the author of this article wallowed in barbarism,actually availed itself of the finest Italian masters in the 15th century, which resulted in the proliferation of Cinquecento monuments at the court of ] (e.g., the ]). Neither ] nor any other major Italian master who worked in 16th-century Russia came here from Poland, either. However, I'm afraid that its pointless to argue with the author of this article, who not only previously attempted to propagate "civilisatory mission" of Poland in Eastern Europe (a paraphrase for his country's imperial ambitions and attempts at colonization of East Slavs), but even gives credence to the fables about ] making use of Polish maps in the 2nd cent. AD. --] <sup>]</sup> 23:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC) | So-called "Muscovy", which according to the author of this article wallowed in barbarism,actually availed itself of the finest Italian masters in the 15th century, which resulted in the proliferation of Cinquecento monuments at the court of ] (e.g., the ]). Neither ] nor any other major Italian master who worked in 16th-century Russia came here from Poland, either. However, I'm afraid that its pointless to argue with the author of this article, who not only previously attempted to propagate "civilisatory mission" of Poland in Eastern Europe (a paraphrase for his country's imperial ambitions and attempts at colonization of East Slavs), but even gives credence to the fables about ] making use of Polish maps in the 2nd cent. AD. --] <sup>]</sup> 23:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :Totally agree. The rulers of Vladimir and High Kings of Rus'ia turned Emperors were quite capable of forging direct links with Renaissance Italy, writing to the rulers of Venice, Milan and elsewhere, and bringing architects like ] over. Moreover, Rus'ia itself had fine native architects, and was the inheritor of the traditions of the Kievan period, a period in which Rus'ia had some of the largest cities in Europe, while contemporary Poland, before it brought in German settlers to urbanize it, could boast little more than a series of fortified cragie lumps with some mud-huts around them. - '''] ('']'')''' 20:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | :Totally agree. The rulers of Vladimir and High Kings of Rus'ia turned Emperors were quite capable of forging direct links with Renaissance Italy, writing to the rulers of Venice, Milan and elsewhere, and bringing architects like ] over. Moreover, Rus'ia itself had fine native architects, and was the inheritor of the traditions of the Kievan period, a period in which Rus'ia had some of the largest cities in Europe, while contemporary Poland, before it brought in German settlers to urbanize it, could boast little more than a series of fortified cragie lumps with some mud-huts around them. - '''] ('']'')''' 20:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | ||
| http://mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/russia/lectures/07tartar.html | by Professor Gerhard Rempel at Western New England College pp--] 21:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | ||
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| In conclusion we might ask ourselves what influence the Tartar-Mongols had on Russia. | |||
| Molobo, stop pasting chunks into Misplaced Pages! You were blocked for that already! We all know how to click and read in English. If you need to summarize something, do it yourself and briefly. If you want things discussed, please help everyone keep talk pages readable. --] 21:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Two and one half centuries of foreign rule are bound to leave a profound imprint on a subjugated nation. The influence of the Mongol tradition may be traced in the crude methods by which Russia's unification was achieved in the fifteenth century and in the character of the absolutist government that was to rule her for over 300 years. The conditions created by the invasion were probably instrumental in bringing about the destruction of the veche, although there is no assurance that this rudimentary form of democracy would have survived and would have grown into an institution of truly representative government even if the Tartars had never come to Russia. The military organization and administrative practices of Muscovy were probably also affected by Mongol institutions. | |||
| The social effects of the Mongol rule are more pronounced. There was a great deal of intermarriage and social intercourse between the Russian princes and members of the Russian upper class, on the one hand, and their opposite numbers in the Golden Horde, on the other. As the fortunes of Sarai declined and those of Moscow increased many Mongol notable switched their allegiance to Muscovy. Many of these people became important Russian landowners. Many Mongols also entered the /Russian administrative and military services. At the end of the 17th century about 17% of the Russian upper class were of Eastern, chiefly Mongol, origin. | |||
| There were also important cultural effects'''. Mongol domination retarded Russia's cultural development. It delayed for at least two centuries any contact between Russia and Europe, which was at that time the only fountain of progress and enlightenment. The Russian Middle Ages were barren of achievement in any field of creative endeavor, except perhaps that of icon painting, which reached high standards in the fifteenth century.''' | |||
| Professor Gerhard Rempel at Western New England College | |||
| --] 21:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
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So-called "Muscovy", which according to the author of this article wallowed in barbarism,actually availed itself of the finest Italian masters in the 15th century, which resulted in the proliferation of Cinquecento monuments at the court of Ivan III (e.g., the Palace of Facets). Neither Aloisio the New nor any other major Italian master who worked in 16th-century Russia came here from Poland, either. However, I'm afraid that its pointless to argue with the author of this article, who not only previously attempted to propagate "civilisatory mission" of Poland in Eastern Europe (a paraphrase for his country's imperial ambitions and attempts at colonization of East Slavs), but even gives credence to the fables about Ptolemy making use of Polish maps in the 2nd cent. AD. --Ghirla 23:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Totally agree. The rulers of Vladimir and High Kings of Rus'ia turned Emperors were quite capable of forging direct links with Renaissance Italy, writing to the rulers of Venice, Milan and elsewhere, and bringing architects like Aristotile Fioravanti over. Moreover, Rus'ia itself had fine native architects, and was the inheritor of the traditions of the Kievan period, a period in which Rus'ia had some of the largest cities in Europe, while contemporary Poland, before it brought in German settlers to urbanize it, could boast little more than a series of fortified cragie lumps with some mud-huts around them. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
by Professor Gerhard Rempel at Western New England College pp--Molobo 21:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
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Molobo, stop pasting chunks into Misplaced Pages! You were blocked for that already! We all know how to click and read in English. If you need to summarize something, do it yourself and briefly. If you want things discussed, please help everyone keep talk pages readable. --Irpen 21:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)