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Good luck! Dave 06:10, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Do you think you could post your evidence that Lew Rockwell released his picture? I'd like to use it for the libertarianism article, too. Thanks in advance.

I believe that I have remedied ths problem with the Lew Rockwell image. DickClarkMises 7 July 2005 21:43 (UTC)

Image copyrights

Could you please give us more information about the ownership and source of the images that you have posted? They seem to come from copyrighted websites. As you may not know, Misplaced Pages uses as GFDL license, and so all material must be freely available for any commercial and non-commercial use. I we don't hear from you we will have to blank them. Thanks for your help and for your contributions to the project. Cheers, -Willmcw 07:49, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems regarding

• Image:Walterblock.jpg
• Image:Thomasdilorenzo.gif
• Image:Markthornton.gif

Thanks. -Willmcw 20:24, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Image copyrights, redux

Related to the above, would you mind also providing a source for Image:Stephankinsella.jpg. Cheers, Burgundavia 08:34, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Images

Images need to be released under the GFDL or similar license, allowing for any use, commercial or non-commercial. If the copyright holders are willing to do so, please indicate that fact on the image pages. Thanks, -Willmcw June 30, 2005 22:38 (UTC)

More information about the various image designations available can be found at Misplaced Pages:image tags. Thanks, -Willmcw July 1, 2005 20:46 (UTC)

I believe I have taken care of this issue...-DC 5 July 2005 14:59CST

Thanks for noting the status on each image. I've followed you and applied the GFDL tags. Cheers, -Willmcw July 5, 2005 20:46 (UTC)

Kinsella's VfD

I saw your comment on the new VfD. Whilst quite lengthy, it is at least informative. I dropped by to say that, as the 'original' author, you are entitled, and almost expected, to vote keep, although the closing admin may or may not count your vote. -Splash 18:50, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

List of warez groups on VfD

Please see Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/List of warez groups for an ongoing discussion regarding the potential deletion of the List of warez groups article. —RaD Man (talk) 05:58, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

RfC

Greetings - as an active participant in the ongoing edits to the Ludwig von Mises Institute article, I wanted to inform you that I have started a "Request for Comment" (RfC) proceeding over this article in light of continued disruptive and abusive editing behavior by two other participants there. The RfC is located at the link here . In case you have not participated in an RfC before, it is the first step after the talk page in Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution process for articles in which an agreement cannot be easily reached (outlined at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution). I decided to initiate this RfC over the actions of two users who I believe to be seriously impeding the constructive development of this article into an encyclopedia-quality description of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. In one case the editor's behavior was long term. In the other, the editor responded to negotiation efforts I initiated with him on the talk page with unprovoked personal hostility against me, which in turn led me to first warn him of the potential need for an RfC and then follow through as his belligerence continued. I am hopeful that this process will assist in working out the differences that exist on the LVMI article and help to direct the responsible editors toward making their future contributions in compliance with the neutrality mandate and with other Misplaced Pages standards and policies.

You are also welcome to contribute to this RfC, and as a participant in the LVMI article development your participation here may be beneficial. To those who are unfamiliar, participants may contribute by endorsing (or declining to endorse) the RfC case regarding the problem users as stated. Endorsements should be placed here per the RfC page's instructions and entail the use of a tilde signature in the normal fashion. RfC participants may also contribute by way of discussion of the RfC case and all pertinent materials here . A formatted area is also provided on the RfC for the named editors to respond to the complaint. Thank you for your continued work on the LVMI article and for your patience during this process, as it is my hope that we will be able to produce an agreeable quality product upon its conclusion. Rangerdude 00:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikistalking guideline

Greetings - We're currently working on a wikistalking guideline proposal to reflect that the Arbitration Committee has deemed this to be a bannable offense. I'm trying to get community input to help develop this article. Unfortunately a few of the usual suspects are also trying to disrupt this process and dismantle work being done to better the article. If you have a moment please drop by Misplaced Pages:stalking and make any applicable changes to the article or post any suggestions you may have on the talk page. Thanks! Rangerdude 18:46, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Appearance of Conflict of Interest

As you are a member of the Mises Insitute, might I suggest that it might be appropiate to recuse yourself from editing articles related to the Mises Insitute, such as Lew Rockwell, to avoid the possible impression of conflict of interest?

MSTCrow 17:27, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

There is no reason for an editor to "recuse" himself from a topic simply because of a connection to that topic. All editors are required to adhere to the principle of NPOV, so it should not matter what their affiliation is. (The only exception I can think of is autobiography, but this is not an autobiographical matter). So long as user:DickClarkMises follows the policies and guidelines, he can edit any article that he likes. -Willmcw 18:05, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

As Willmcw points out, I have no duty to "recuse myself." I am a Wiki editor with an account, and all the edits that I make are easily traced to me. My affiliation to the Mises Institute is something that I wear on my wiki-sleeve, hence my mention of my employment on my user page. I'll let other editors decide if my edits violate NPOV on a case-by-case basis. I assure you that I am editing in good faith. Dick Clark 22:24, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Deleting all criticism of related organizations or Lew Rockwell himself does have the appearance of being a bit unethical, and perhaps not in the best of intentions. Lew Rockwell, to say the least, is not held in uniformly high regard among our Libertarian community. As such, criticism from within the community is something that should be mentioned.

MSTCrow 02:29, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

"Unnamed critics" do not belong on Misplaced Pages. Undoubtedly Rockwell has been notably criticized by fellow libertarians. Let's find their names and specific criticisms. -Willmcw 06:24, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about Cindy Sheehand

I just re-read your laughable defense of the 'conservative' Cindy Sheehan lol! Man, she sure jumped the shark in a hurry, huh? Sorry things didn't work out for her like I'm sure you and her liberal friends would have wanted. Now she's gone and started eating her own. Today she was trashing one of the two left wing senators in California. I think the Jewish one. Interesting...she hates Israel and hates Diane Feinstein. Is that the real reason why Lew Rockwell is so sympathetic? Just curious... Big Daddy 22:18, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

This user currently has an RfC filed against him if you would like to comment at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/BigDaddy777. --kizzle 00:17, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Wow! I can't believe HOW MUCH I'VE GROWN as a Wikipedian since I posted this. Hope all is well...Big Daddy 09:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Lew Rockwell

I justify my edits on the following: Inflammatory does not equal non-neutral, as it is an entirely subjective description. If the truth offends, then there is obviously some bias on the part of the one who is offended; and in this case, the truth is that Lew Rockwell is an ideologue who's willing to allow lies about the American/Japanese situation in World War 2 and the matter of the American Civil War to be posted on his website in order to justify his views about it, rather than conforming his views to the facts. Now for your specific objections:

"'The site also hosts screeds against the United States' participation in the Second World War, hopeful if unrealistic speculations about an end of the United States as a cohesive nation, and accusations of fascism on the part of the free world.'(Emphasis added)"

The word "screed" is in no way inflammatory by itself; it is an accurate description of the articles in question. Further, the article I posted on the future breakup of the United States is wildly unrealistic; for starters, even presuming that a breakup did come to pass, there is no way that the states would break up along the lines specified; economic, political, and logistical realities dictate that this is so simply because of the nature of the commercial relationships between several of the states depicted as joining separate factions. California, for instance, would not only never join with decidedly more conservative Arizona and New Mexico; it would experience massive loss of electrical service as energy from Oregon and Nevada is cut off. Secondly, no rational person could expect that to happen any time in the near future; I could have justifiably called it a pipe dream, because that's what it is. As for "free world," it's a common description for the West and liberal democracies in general; I have absolutely no idea how you consider it inappropriate. Rogue 9 16:16, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Date linking

BTW, the convention is to not link individual years, only full dates. Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Date formatting. Cheers, -Willmcw 17:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Will. Somehow I missed that part of the MoS. Will comply in the future. Dick Clark 18:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Considering how long, complicated, and changeable the MOS is, it is remarkable that anyone can follow it. -Willmcw 21:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you for your comments. I apologize if I offended you or made the situation worse than it already was. That was never my intention and I like to think I learned a great deal about Misplaced Pages from that experience and am a better Wikiepdian for it. I made mistakes and for that I am sorry. No hard feelings for your oppose vote. I was not surprised that it came up (see my answer to number 3). Thanks again and have a good one!Gator (talk) 16:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

My mistake, Sorry

I misread more information than was there for him. My apologies. -- Emersoni 23:44, December 14, 2005 (UTC)

No worries at all. If that is the biggest mistake you make today, you are doing just fine! Dick Clark 23:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Theblacklarl

Oddly user:Theblacklarl claims to be Walter Block, but from his other edits it appears more likely that he is a high school student. However his edits are mostly not what we'd call Misplaced Pages:vandalism. It appears that he may soon violate the 3RR. Or he might be blocked for disruption as he's posted nasty notes on some user pages. Not to worry. This guy will either come around, self-destruct, or lose interest. Cheers, -Willmcw 18:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

This user is a liar and a cheater. He basically goes around Misplaced Pages making up lies about other users. You can't delete this- I was given permission from Misplaced Pages administration to criticize you for your lies. You are your socialist buddy Willmcw are liars and cheaters. You know nothing of libertarianism or its leaders. I never claimed to be Walter Block, my name is Sean Christopher Marinara and I have said that before and I say it with pride. (unsigned post by User:Theblacklarl)

No, you did not get any permission to launch personal attacks against other users. I said you can respond to criticism, but your post here is a violation of WP:ATTACK. Theblackarl, this is your final warning. Owen× ☎ 18:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I am afraid that you did claim to be Walter Block, as Willmcw pointed out above, and as can be seen by all here. If you feel that one of my contributions includes errors, please enumerate your criticisms on the appropriate talk page. Dick Clark 18:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

As you can all see, the user DickClarkMises has made numerous comments regarding me. I will not insult him here because I do not want to be kicked off of Misplaced Pages. Please just know that I see things very differently from him. Again, my name is Sean Christopher Marinara and I am a college student at Holy Cross. Dr. Block used to teach here, and I learned about him through that. My friends and I are all libertarians. We have personal information about Dr. Block that we learned from his former colleagues here at Holy Cross. When I tried to post this information, some users, including DickClark, deleted it. The information is 100% true. I ask that you please carefully consider the situation before making any decisions which might be considered rash. (unsigned post by User:Theblacklarl)

WALTER BLOCK

Everyone, look at the discussion page for Walter Block. You will see that the information I posted about him was correct. This proves the lack of knowledge on the part of DickClarkMises. He used his prejudice against italians to lead to trying to exclude my factual informtion from the redcord. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblacklarl (talk • contribs)

1. They like to be called Italians, not italians. They consider having their nationality spelled uncapitalized an insult.
2. Please sign your Talk page posts.

Owen× ☎ 04:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Owen, you're both rude and unhelpful....and a bully. You clearly spend a lot of time (probally all of your time) on this website but that doesn't give you permission to give people who have actual lives a hard time when they don't do everything just the way you want it. Stay away from my posts. Proudly signed by ~~TheBlackLarl

Theblacklarl,

1. This page is not your discussion page, as you claim. Check the title if you're not sure.
2. I will not stay away from any discussion page, yours or otherwise. When you rudely accuse someone of being ignorant and prejudiced, you will hear from me, and from other admins.
3. Please sign your posts using ~~~~. Your username is Theblacklarl; there is currently no registered user called TheBlackLarl, as you can clearly see. If you wish your username to be changed to the latter, please place a request on Misplaced Pages:Changing username.
4. I don't see how it is any of your business what I spend my time on. I suggest you concern yourself with your own life, rather than mine.

Thank you, Owen× ☎ 21:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Untruth

Everyone look above? Notice the untruths that DickClarkMises has put forth? Let me give you an example. I never claimed to be Walter Block. I am a student of Holy Cross, a CATHOLIC university. Now maybe some here have a problem with that...I know not. 18:14, 23 December 2005 (UTC)~TheBlackLarl

Happy New Year

No rush about editing articles - they'll still be here next year. Have a great holiday. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:43, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Scouting article improvement

User:Gadget850 has started User talk:Gadget850/BSA article improvements as a step toward improving the BSA section of Misplaced Pages. Please visit this page and participate if you are interested or cross yourself out of the "Interested Wikipedians" if you are not interested. Thank you. Rlevse 18:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Please adopt your state

I have now completed the transition from state list to articles on Scouting in each state, as per Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards, for merger and improvement of articles. Please help fill in some blanks at Scouting in Alabama! Thanks, YiS, Chris 09:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Scouting Barnstarn

Did you see this proposal? Scouting Barnstarn --evrik 20:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Stupid category

Please do not add the category Category:Living people into articles. It is the most silly category I have ever seen here and it will be soon defeted due to CfD. Such additions only make Misplaced Pages look like garbage bin. Thanks for understanding. Pavel Vozenilek 02:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Devastator ammo

Well... yeah. It's a little piece of trivia that sure dates me. I must have seen it on CBS News with Walter Cronkite.... cheers! Mytwocents 18:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Ralph Raico

Let's describe him as 'libertarian' then, and avoid the left/right issue. The problem with that to my mind is that as a European (and an anarchist) 'libertarianism' is for me synonymous with the tradition also called anarchism, which is generally seen as left. This is how the term is mainly used (or in Spain the cognate 'libertario') outside the US, and thus I generally refer to US libertarian-party style 'libertarians' as 'right libertarian' in order to distinguish. I'm aware that too isn't perfect giving your belief that your position is 'beyond left and right', and the page on Raico is probably not the best place to start a major debate on it. A better idea would be to make the issue clearer on the libertarianism page.Bengalski 15:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Re anarchism and anarcho-capitalism - it's not that I don't want to have this discussion with you, but I've had it already at some length with User:RJII and User:Hogeye and don't really want to go over it all again.Bengalski 21:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Greetings!

Just wanted to say greetings to a fellow libertarian, anarcho-capitalist, who carries concealed!  :-) Lawyer2b 05:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

My bad ^^

Hey there, sorry about the deletion of the "Living People" category at the Bill Gothard article. My reasoning came from browsing other similar articles (e.g. ones in the "Christian Leaders" category) and not finding anyone else with the "Living People" category; guess I thought it kind of farcical to have it in this particlar article alone (well, not "alone," but you know what I mean ^^).

...Almost as if it were a category where you'd put people who were rumored to be dead, but confirmed otherwise. XD Ahwell, always happy to be corrected! Thanks, Weien 06:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Get well

Get well and be back soon. You'll be missed. Cheers, -Will Beback 00:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Gee, that was quick. Welcome back. -Will Beback 19:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I was admitted to the hospital at 5:30am EST on 7 February, and was discharged this morning at 7:30am EST. I just got a little last minute editing in before I went to the hospital, despite my away message already being posted. Thanks for the good cheer! Dick Clark 17:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

don't be a d-bag

don't be a d-bag we're here for the knowledge and learning...everything here should be judged on its consequences...do you want that user to just go back to going around and engaging in vandalism or do you want the user to become a productive member of the wikipedia community...its freaking idiots like yourself who ruin this site...get a frekin life and read a book while your at it (unsigned comment by User:140.247.43.84)

sorry my friend was being an asshole on the library computer...please accept our apologies no offense was meant whatsoever... (unsigned comment by User:140.247.43.84)

Joe Sobran

I made the following post to Lew Rockwell's page:

While no one claims that Lew Rockwell posts specifically anti-semetic material on his own webpage, LewRockwell.com, he has been criticized for posting the material of Joe Sobran, who speaks at neo-Nazi conferences of the Institute for Historical Review (an organization which denies the occurance of the Holocaust.

This being my citation:

http://www.tomgpalmer.com/archives/014604.php

DickClarkMises, if you do not think this should be posted, will you help find an administrator who can make a judgement?

At this point I will also provide a link to this book by William F. Buckley

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/082640619X/103-9413957-9216660?v=glance&n=283155

In the book Buckley identifies Joe Sobran as an anti-semite.

16:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)Rogerman

Would you be willing to accept,

While the concensus is that Lew Rockwell does not post specifically anti-semitic material on his own webpage, LewRockwell.com, he has been criticized for posting the material of Joe Sobran, who speaks at neo-Nazi conferences of the Institute for Historical Review (an organization which denies the occurance of the Holocaust). 17:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)Rogerman

If other editors think that this information merits some mention in the article (I am not convinced of this), I would suggest the following wording as more in line with Misplaced Pages standards:

Some critics, including Tom Palmer of the Cato Institute(insert link to source here) have expressed concern over Rockwell's association with Joe Sobran, who has been accused by (insert name of notable, published accuser here) of anti-semitism.

As I said, though, I don't think that this criticism is particular notable, and I await the opinion of other editors on this matter. Dick Clark 17:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Rockwell

I hope the gang over at LvMI is suitably amused that you've corralled me into defending Lew Rockwell. -Will Beback 12:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to set your wiki-agenda for you, but you're doing such a great job! <g> Actually, I have truly been holding back on editing that article a bit due to my obvious affiliation, etc. I appreciate your hard work. Dick Clark 15:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you have an opinion on splitting out the LRC material to its own article? -Will Beback 21:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Lew Rockwell for my position. Dick Clark 21:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

3rr report

Hi. I just removed your 3RR report . Sorry, but there have to be *4* reverts, see WP:3RR. Feel free to re-add it if you can find 4. But if you do, please list the IPs that are causing the problem. A quick glance at the article history didn't look like there were 4 reverts. William M. Connolley 22:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality

Do you think it might be a good idea for you not to edit articles pertaining to the Mises Institute and/or its friends/enemies? EnforcerOfNeutrality 01:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)EnforcerOfNeutrality

I am very excited to try to contribute in a constructive manner to this fantastic open media project. Like every other editor, I have opinions on matters, and like all others editing in good faith, I do my best to comply with WP:NPOV. If I fail to comply with NPOV, I certainly hope that others will bring the article in question into compliance with Misplaced Pages policy as well as utilize the article talk page to explain why my edits were inappropriate (so as to allow the community to find consensus) . Other editors are always welcome to critique my contributions, and to make arguments based on Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. Regards, Dick Clark 05:43, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

There are no rules against editing articles with which one has an involvement. In fact, some beleive it is better when editors make their biases clear. What is important is that all edits must be NPOV and verifiable. -Will Beback 06:39, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

See: WP:NOT

I'm hoping that you immediately remove the reference that you are currently campaigning for public office from your userpage...see WP:NOT, especially Misplaced Pages is not a free host, blog, or webspace provider and also, to a lesser degree, Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox.--MONGO 19:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

My campaign is like any other editor's job or hobby—disclosure can help others see likely bias. My disclosure is certainly not meant to somehow augment my election returns, especially given that my district is so small (my district is roughly half of the population of Lee County). How many constituents do you think will be influenced by my user page? Also, I make no attempt on my user page to convert or convince anyone. The information on my user page is intended to disclose potential bias and to inform others as to my areas of particular expertise. I have several personal websites where I attempt to persuade others to agree with me. If you don't believe me, please refer to , , , . I do not depend on Misplaced Pages for promotion, and I am not attempting to self-promote via Misplaced Pages. I am here to write an encyclopedia. Cheers, Dick Clark 19:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I would also note that Misplaced Pages policy clearly sets a metric for "excessive personal information" that is "more than a couple of pages." Given that my personal information takes up about one screen, my userpage seems not to be in violation. Dick Clark 19:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I've reported this issue to AN/I:--MONGO 19:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I agree with you, not MONGO. It's your userpage, and it's not like you just made an account to put that link up. You've made over a thousand edits. Just letting you know you aren't being ganged up on. --Golbez 20:07, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter who Golbez agrees with, so sorry, if he disagrees with MONGO he is disagreeing with policy. Until and unless policy is sucessfully changed, your link to your campaign page is against WP:NOT, and even mentioning that you are running for office is self-promotion, albeit one I personally would let slide. Please remove the link. And good luck in your campaign, btw. KillerChihuahua 20:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

KillerChihuahua: I object to your statement that User:MONGO's pronouncements are somehow equal in weight to official Misplaced Pages policy. I will wait for interested parties to chip in their opinion on my userpage's compliance with Misplaced Pages policy, and I will abide by community consensus. I would, however, note to interested parties that MONGO reported this alleged violation immediately after I asked him to refrain from personal attacks and incivility at Talk:Scholars_for_9/11_Truth. Dick Clark 20:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I have been unclear, I apologise. I did not place MONGOs opinion as somehow equal to policy, I meant that he was citing policy. Please see WP:NOT, the policy referenced. Golbez's position is contrary to policy. He is entitled to his opinion; but here we need to follow WP policy not anyone's personal opinion. If this is still unclear, please let me know. KillerChihuahua 21:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

KillerChihuahua: My apologies for jumping the gun earlier—I should have known that wasn't what you meant. I would ask, however, for you to quote the specific text from the cited policy that prohibits the link at issue here. I have read said policy and I believe that I am in compliance. Regards, Dick Clark 22:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

All of which was a wrongful accusation and one in which you, after telling me that I was making personal attacks, then labeled all of them as "crazy". How obtuse can you be. I mean really...the gaul of advertising and linking us to your politcal efforts by way of Misplaced Pages. As an established editor, you certainly should know better.--MONGO 21:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

MONGO: The difference is that I clearly couched my own opinion as such, and not as incontrovertible fact. Another difference is that I am arguing for a rigorous adherence to Misplaced Pages policy in spite of my own opinions. I am not using my opinions as an argument for or against a particular edit. I was answering the direct question that you asked me above. Dick Clark 20:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC) (Copied from Talk:Scholars_for_9/11_Truth) I would add that my comment was not addressed at anyone. I think the whole thing is crazy, but my only role in that article's history is vote keep, and to add a link to Morgan Reynolds website, which I think is a reasonable, if modest, contribution. I viewed the talk page after making this addition, and saw what seemed to be a very seasoned admin attacking another editor. Now, I happen to believe that most of the editors involved in that dispute were arguing over the correctness of the conspiracy theories, and not the verifiability, notability, etc. I believe that is clearly a violation of WP:NOR. Dick Clark 21:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Least I know from you linking Morgan Reynolds where you stand. Thanks! It would be best if you removed (at the least) links to your political efforts from your userpage. Also try not to twist or use wordplay with me when you try to back out of the comment in which you called them crazy by now stating that "clearly couched" that is a bad attempt to back out of the argument...you called them crazy, that is plainly evident, so don't throw rocks at glass houses...something might get broke.--MONGO 21:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

MONGO: I wrote in very clear language exactly what I meant to write. I'm sorry if you or anyone else got the wrong impression about what I was saying, but you can read it for yourself. I didn't call anyone crazy. If you don't like precise language, perhaps you should reconsider your chosen hobby. As for my posting of the Morgan Reynolds link, I don't see how that somehow tells you where I "stand." It was a germane tidbit and I added it. I have heard Morgan Reynolds speak, and I happen to think he is wrong about a lot of things. What I think, or what you think, or what the Misplaced Pages reader thinks is not important here. What Reynolds' thinks? Now that's notable in his entry and related entries. I am not in favor or censoring any information that is verifiable and germane, even "stupid" information. Dick Clark 21:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I should find a new hobby? What hobby would that be. You've heard Morgan Reynolds speak...so? You called them crazy and now refer to the information as stupid. Okay. Please remove the webspam link to your political campaign from your userpage.--MONGO 22:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I put the word "stupid" in scare quotes to make sure that everyone would recognize that I was using the word rhetorically. What I am trying to convey is the idea that my thinking something is stupid shouldn't have any effect on its inclusion in Misplaced Pages. I like information, even information that others deem "stupid." Additionally, I like for information that I think is "stupid" to be available for critical examination as well. That is why I personally own far more books that I substantially disagree with than books that I agree with. My link, which is buried in the text of my bio on my userpage, is not "linkspam." Please cite one Misplaced Pages policy or guideline that explicitly states that such a link, even in the context of my userpage's other contents, is against community standards. Excuse me if I won't just take your word for it. I have read those linked above, and I have explained why it is very clear that I am adhering to said standards. Dick Clark 22:45, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The policy is clear. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox. Misplaced Pages is not myspace. Your userpage is to be used for the purpose of helping us write a better encyclopedia, not to self promote yourself in your own political campaigns to gain political office. I would be appeased if you removed the link to your campaign information, however, I see that this won't be happening. The userpage is not yours, or mine...it is on loan to you by the Misplaced Pages Foundation. It is not a blog and it is not a pulpit. Once you hit the save button, it belongs to the world...not you, not me...but everybody. This is the same in article space and the same rules that we commonly use in article space to remove links as I have mentioned, applyu equally to your userpage. You'd really have a gripe on your hands if I did remove it, but I haven't. Liking information does not apply either...Misplaced Pages is not a random collection of misinformation.--MONGO 02:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems pretty apparent to me that your interpretation of Misplaced Pages policy is in this instance not the community interpretation. I will abide by community consensus. I am not interested in "appeasing" you. I hope that you will accept community consensus, and that we can work together in the future. Cheers, Dick Clark 03:36, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry...under no circumstance will we work together in a collaborative effort so long as you continue to misuse Misplaced Pages resources for your own self promotion. That's okay...good luck beating this guy.--MONGO 05:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Clark, I want to apologize if I have upset you with my tone. My interpretation of policy does not seem to be what the concensus seems to indicate. I don't care about your politics, or whether you are in the midsts of a political campaign. I am concerned about Misplaced Pages's appearance and it worries me that you link your current campaign website on your userpage. I personally see this as doing nothing to help us write a better encyclopedia. I stumbled into your website after our disagreement and, well, I've been around awhile and I never saw anyone who linked to their campaign website like this before. Now, I don't know a thing about your editing and apparently this is no big deal as no one has brought any problems regarding that to light. Not that my admiration or appeasement is of any importance to you, but it would surely be completely restored if that link wasn't on your userpage. This is my final comment to you on this matter.--MONGO 12:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)