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Help Desk section

Help desk comment 1

This and shortcut. A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 18:41, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Help desk comment 2

This and shortcut. A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 05:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Help desk comment 3

This and shortcut. A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 21:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

CaptainRick's section

DisMas' section

Porturology's section

RyanVesey's section

{{notice}} template suggestion

Here's a suggestion for the {{notice}} template: you can add “1=” after the pipe symbol “|” if it shows “{{{1}}}”. The problem is usually due to equals signs (“=”) in the notice, sometimes in the external links (links outside of Misplaced Pages). Just a suggestion. Thanks, Ryan Vesey (talk)

Got it. Thanks. A comment by a person who has been editing Misplaced Pages since October 28, 2010. (talk)

Sphilbrick's section

SirSputnik's section

more concerns

It is time to be straight with us now. Tell me how someone who knows the intrigues of advanced mark-up, can at the same time appear to not realize much smaller issues that others have been bringing to your attention. I think an RFC/U is in order, per concerns with possible trolling. Calmer Waters 23:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Straight with what? Exactly what are you talking about? What's “RFC/U”? Where was I “trolling”? A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 23:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

You are really going to make me shift through five plus hours of research and diff to provide the answer. You very well have the competency of clicking on the blue link I provided above to find out. This is clearly either a competency or even worse a trolling type of behavior, either of which is not progressing adequately in a positive direction. Assuming good faith only goes so far. You removing this conversation is regarded as dismissing the severity of the issue. Calmer Waters 23:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I still don't understand. What “blue link”? Yes, I removed the section to conserve space. Is that the problem? I have no clue what you're talking about, I swear. A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 23:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I shall continue this at the appropriate discussion board, where it will stay open without being removed by you until the discussion is complete and concerns rectified as it is obvious escalation and community sanctioned steps are the only means forward. Calmer Waters 23:23, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Please tell me exactly what you're referring to? Which board? What escalation? A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 23:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Since 10.28.2010, I personally do not think you have been trolling, but I do think there are significant problems with your editing that have also become a significant time drain on the community. A certain level of competence is required in order to edit Misplaced Pages without causing disruption and damage. I have suggested to you previously that you should stop posting at the help desk. I did this before, and ask again now, not because I wish to be mean but because over and over your posts have been a problem there both on a competence level and on an interaction level, in that you do not appear to be able to interact without being nasty, or possibly because you do not understand how to convey certain things you want to say with tact (the end result is little different). I do not think the help desk should be your testing ground to get better. The problems, though, are not just confined to the help desk. I am afraid that if you do not at least seek mentorship, or restrict yourself to certain types of tasks that do not require a more in depth understanding of policy and guideline, you will not remain on Misplaced Pages for very long.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I must seek mentorship? I think RyanVesey suggested such. I will refrain from the help desk. But I must seek mentorship? A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 23:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I think, given the discussion of the past day, that you have come to a point where you are almost required to seek mentorship. Without seeking mentorship, you will be indefinitely blocked as it seems like you cannot constructively interact with the community. I would highly suggest going through an adoption program with User:Worm That Turned if he will take you. I believe a program such as this is the only way that these problems can be resolved. Ryan Vesey contribs 23:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

(e/c x 2) I am not saying you must do anything. I am saying that though I don't know what calmer waters is doing, possibly putting together a request for comment on your conduct, with the fairly constant problems in your editing, it was inevitable that some sort of escalation would happen if you didn't do something to help yourself. I think that time is now. Mentorship, if someone is willing to take on the role, is one of the only paths I can see that may help you avoid the problems with your editing.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:58, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I actually see opposite: I am not saying this program may do more harm then good. I think that it may not work out exactly as planned. RyanVesey, discussion, as in the block, or ObsidianSoul, or what? A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 23:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

(e/c x 2)Then please offer some explanations. Why do you not want to go through a mentorship process? Why is it that you prefer deletion over archiving? Do you understand that there can be serious consequences if you cannot begin cooperating and conceding some of your ideas once this is brought to RFC/U? Ryan Vesey contribs 00:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

What exactly is RFC/U? I posted my opinion on mentorship because it might harm the mentor person, and cause a disruption. A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 00:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, what is the difference between adoption and mentorship? A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 23:53, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Please stop modifying discussions that are in progress. Ryan Vesey contribs 00:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Such as which ones? A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 00:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Such as this one (and every discussion that has ever appeared on your page). Since it has started you have removed information and reformatted the discussion. You have reorganized comments in a way that people are no longer replying to the person they intended to reply to. You remove discussions within minutes of certain posts, stop. Ryan Vesey contribs 00:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I did stop. Does someone in this discussion know exactly what CalmerWaters is talking about? A user who has been editing Misplaced Pages since Thursday, October 28, 2010. 00:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Mentorship

Hi Since 10.28.2010. Just a notice here to let you know that I am accepting your request for mentorship. You might be interested to know what it means though.

• We'll run through my adoption course, to give you a good knowledge of how Misplaced Pages works.
• We'll discuss where things went wrong, why you got blocked, how you can avoid it in the future.
• We'll look into tidying up your userpage, your talk page and your signature.

Notice how they're all "We'll"? Well that means that we will go through them together, you will have as much input as me, and if you disagree with something we will discuss it. There are some other points you should know.

• You are close to being blocked indefinitely, should you head down the wrong path. I am here to try to keep you from heading down that path.
• You come to me with a clean slate. I will not hold any of your past against you, all I will take into consideration is how you act whilst you are under my mentorship.

All make sense? Good. Feel free to wander over to your personal adoption page whenever you like. Worm · (talk) 10:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much for accepting. Now if it's okay, a few things that I like to keep on my talk page:

Keep

• The level one headers in sections
• The notices at the top
• Use of the  Half done checkmark in place of the  done checkmark

Well, that's all I can think of now. As you can see above, I am taking a WikiBreak. Your above points: I'd be more than happy to go through the adoption course. For tidying: already tidied my signature, and user page (in my opinion) really doesn't need any fix. Thank you again for accepting me. An editor since 10.28.2010. 14:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Changing policies; copying within Misplaced Pages

Hi. :) With respect to your suggestion here and your edits there, I just wanted to suggest that you review WP:PROPOSAL for the recommended practices for suggesting a new policy. Since what you are suggesting is the elevation of an essay to part of an existing policy, you might want to launch the discussion at the policy talk page and publicize it at the village pump.

Beyond that, I'd like to be sure that you're aware that Misplaced Pages's content is copyrighted and that you can't copy material from one page to another without giving credit. While what you added was a revision of content from that page, it did substantially duplicate it. The best practices for giving credit are described at Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages. If you have copied content from one page to another before, please make sure that it has been attributed to comply with our license. Thanks.  :) --Moonriddengirl 12:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I realize text can't be duplicated. I assume my edits were reverted? An editor since 10.28.2010. 14:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Text can be duplicated, but attribution must be created. This must be done with an edit summary which links to the page it was copied from and can also include a template such as {{split from}} or {{copied}} on the talk page in addition to the edit summary. The problem here is that you took information from an essay page and added it to a policy page. If you would like to add the information from the essay to the policy you must first make a request at Village pump (policy) Ryan Vesey contribs 14:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, you can't just go changing wikipedia policy, which is decided by consensus. WP:BOLD doesn't really fit there. Do have a read of the links MRG has given, especially this one. Worm · (talk) 14:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think this was a terrible error by any means. The changes you made could be good ones, it is just necessary that you go through the proper channels and establish consensus first. Ryan Vesey contribs 14:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

 Acknowledged An editor since 10.28.2010. 14:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)