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| The reason this article was put up for deletion is because of the fact that most of the information it purports to give details about comes from unreliable or generally vague sources. Most of the sources make it clear that this organization was identified solely by the Azerbaijani government (some of them also have a discernible affiliation with Azerbaijan, such as Charles van der Leeuw, who has been for writing biased works). Citing the information it and only it has provided, this terror network was allegedly created in 1989 in the Soviet Union as a branch of an Armenian political group (the ]) that had no presence, legal nor physical, in the country. This group is not cited by any major entity (such as the US Department of State) which registers and follows up on the activity of terrorists organization and, given the tense atmosphere of the ] between ] and Azerbaijan it is quite probable that the latter created this shadowy organization without any real evidence to back it up. Individuals quickly arrested and executed by the Azerbaijani government for a bus bombing in 1991 were said to have belonged to ''Vrezh'' but the politically charged climate of the time does not give its decisions too much of an air of credibility.--] (]) 21:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC) | The reason this article was put up for deletion is because of the fact that most of the information it purports to give details about comes from unreliable or generally vague sources. Most of the sources make it clear that this organization was identified solely by the Azerbaijani government (some of them also have a discernible affiliation with Azerbaijan, such as Charles van der Leeuw, who has been for writing biased works). Citing the information it and only it has provided, this terror network was allegedly created in 1989 in the Soviet Union as a branch of an Armenian political group (the ]) that had no presence, legal nor physical, in the country. This group is not cited by any major entity (such as the US Department of State) which registers and follows up on the activity of terrorists organization and, given the tense atmosphere of the ] between ] and Azerbaijan it is quite probable that the latter created this shadowy organization without any real evidence to back it up. Individuals quickly arrested and executed by the Azerbaijani government for a bus bombing in 1991 were said to have belonged to ''Vrezh'' but the politically charged climate of the time does not give its decisions too much of an air of credibility.--] (]) 21:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Oppose''' Needless to say, opposing. The article is sourced to reliable sources and is clearly causing discomfort of the filing user. First off, three sources unaffiliated with the Azerbaijani government state the fact about past existence of the organization called ] (see the article). Secondly, it is somewhat unsurprising that Vrezh was possibly affiliated with ] since ARF has been known to have militant/terrorist wings attacking civilian targets. Please see ] for example, or other related articles ], ], or just research Google Books for (see ), or simply for . The organization Vrezh was likely created to commit terrorist attacks before the ] escalated in 1992. ] (]) 21:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::'''Note''' Please also note that the user requesting the deletion clearly has insincere intent. For instance, see his remark above where he says ''"...some of them also have a '''discernible affiliation with Azerbaijan, such as Charles van der Leeuw...''"''' and then take a look at his other statement '''''""'''''. I don't think this "contradiction" says anything othern than insincerity and bad faith discrediting of authors when necessary. ] (]) 21:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
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The reason this article was put up for deletion is because of the fact that most of the information it purports to give details about comes from unreliable or generally vague sources. Most of the sources make it clear that this organization was identified solely by the Azerbaijani government (some of them also have a discernible affiliation with Azerbaijan, such as Charles van der Leeuw, who has been criticized in some circles for writing biased works). Citing the information it and only it has provided, this terror network was allegedly created in 1989 in the Soviet Union as a branch of an Armenian political group (the ARF) that had no presence, legal nor physical, in the country. This group is not cited by any major entity (such as the US Department of State) which registers and follows up on the activity of terrorists organization and, given the tense atmosphere of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan it is quite probable that the latter created this shadowy organization without any real evidence to back it up. Individuals quickly arrested and executed by the Azerbaijani government for a bus bombing in 1991 were said to have belonged to Vrezh but the politically charged climate of the time does not give its decisions too much of an air of credibility.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose Needless to say, opposing. The article is sourced to reliable sources and is clearly causing discomfort of the filing user. First off, three sources unaffiliated with the Azerbaijani government state the fact about past existence of the organization called Vrezh (see the article). Secondly, it is somewhat unsurprising that Vrezh was possibly affiliated with ARF since ARF has been known to have militant/terrorist wings attacking civilian targets. Please see Operation Nemesis for example, or other related articles ASALA, JCAG, or just research Google Books for affiliation with ARF (see this for instance), or simply for Armenian terrorism. The organization Vrezh was likely created to commit terrorist attacks before the Nagorno-Karabakh War escalated in 1992. Tuscumbia (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- Note Please also note that the user requesting the deletion clearly has insincere intent. For instance, see his remark above where he says "...some of them also have a discernible affiliation with Azerbaijan, such as Charles van der Leeuw..." and then take a look at his other statement "...even the two non-Azerbaijani government affiliated sources, van der Leeuw and Bolukbasi, make use of the word allegedly...". I don't think this "contradiction" says anything othern than insincerity and bad faith discrediting of authors when necessary. Tuscumbia (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)