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	:Karl Meier, thank you for the response, but I am really sorry for reverting the image because without knowing the copyright information, it is not fair to edit in the image of any kind. Once copyright information is known, please revert the image to the version which you have uploaded according to copyright information. Regards, ] <sup>(]/])</sup> 06:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)		:Karl Meier, thank you for the response, but I am really sorry for reverting the image because without knowing the copyright information, it is not fair to edit in the image of any kind. Once copyright information is known, please revert the image to the version which you have uploaded according to copyright information. Regards, ] <sup>(]/])</sup> 06:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

			== 'Dear Muslims, we are so sorry' ==

			You are entitle to declare whatever POV you wish on your userpage. Links are also permitted some degree of leaway. However, luring people to click on an offensive link with a misleading tag is a clear breach of ], and could be interpreted as racist trolling. I am ] this was not your intention, and this is just a mis-placed attempt at humour without intending offense. So, I'm asking you nicely to remove the link, or st least to make it clear what it links to. Thanks. --] ] 15:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Revision as of 15:22, 29 March 2006

My evidence

I changed my POV statement to say "monitoring". --Phroziac 15:23, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I did that. Sorry, I did not see the talk page. --Phroziac 15:54, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

re:removal of comments on RFAr

I honestly don't know how that comment dissapeared I didn't do it purposely and I've already told Fadix as such User talk:Fadix. The comment has already been put back and I apologize for any convienience that caused. Jtkiefer ----- 23:49, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

suggestions for Kurdish people

I noticed that you and Cool Cat have been having some issues on that article, I have suggested to him and now am suggesting to you that if a piece of info is unsourced it should be removed and copied over to the talk page where it can easily be discussed and can be re-added if anyone finds a valid source for it. Jtkiefer ----- 00:37, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Open proxy

It's hard to verify that is an open proxy, but SORBS hasn't heard of it, although arin.net returns a rather cryptic result. Why do you think it's an open proxy? It's only edited once, although I rather suspect it may be Irishpunktom circumventing my block. -Splash 21:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I see. Blocked indefinitely, but will have to report that to WP:AN/I in a sec. What of the other IPs editing the article? Are they proxies too? -Splash 21:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. -Splash 22:12, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Cool_Cat/Wiki-politics

I have placed his character assassination page to deletion. Fadix 22:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

BTW, why is it not listed here? Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Log/Today

I thought it was automated, using the template, to recopy the material. The history suggest it to be like that, since the last edit was done in September 9. Anyway, I'll ask Davenbelle. Regards Fadix 22:54, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I respectfully ask you to try and refrain from using personal attacks. You have not used any right now, but I already told Fadix and Cool Cat (twice) the same thing, so at least we could try to have a civil discussion. I know that you are on this hit list, and I would not be amused to be on such a list. Zach (Sound Off) 17:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Dhul-Qarnayn

As detailed on the Talk page, I have removed the inherently POV additions made by that user, and am in the process of going through each point sourced and refrenced and will re-add a newer POV free entry probably tomorrow. Again, I remind you, referring to edits you disagree with as Vandalism is in itslef a form of Vandalism. --Irishpunktom\ 17:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

As I have previously stated, the reasons for the edit are stated on the talk page.. YOu've read it, and added to it.. or have you forgotten? This is a serious edit and process going on here. You are the one being disruptive. --Irishpunktom\ 17:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

"Gaming the system"

Gaming the system can mean more than one thing. In this case I'm referring to your constant posts on WP:AN/3RR over other users' editing, as well as other incidents. In any event, I didn't block you, nor do I plan to. My post was a personal comment on your actions- nothing more. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ral315 (talk • contribs) 23:19, October 3, 2005 (UTC)

Karl, I commented on this. — Davenbelle 04:23, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:Sealand table

I see what you mean; he blanked it again while I was looking at the issue. He's pretty obviously a pure vandal, with no other reason for being here, so I've blocked him indefinitely. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on this, Karl. — Davenbelle 04:06, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Demographics of Islam

Hey, you're right. I was trying to read the table from the source code and failing. Thanks. Zora 19:15, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Coolcat final decision reached

The arbitration committee has reacheda final decision in the Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek case. →Raul654 23:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Please see: ~~User talk:Raul654#User:Cool Cat decision~~. — Davenbelle 02:54, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

moved to: Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek. — Davenbelle 04:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

ps: vote 4 172

User Categorisation

You were listed on the Misplaced Pages:Wikipedians/Denmark page as living in or being associated with Denmark. As part of the Misplaced Pages:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Danish Wikipedians for instructions.--Rmky87 20:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Ali Sina

Firstly, I asked you to avoid Verbal attacks. Secondly, the quotes added are sourced and back up the Statements made. They are relevent, sourced and should stay, there is no need to argue about this, let them stay.

They are relevent sourced quotes relating directly to the statements made - They should stay.--Irishpunktom\ 19:28, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, Karl. Please continue this discussion on Irishpunktom's page or on the talk page of the article.--a.n.o.n.y.m 19:28, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The Piece commented out was Unsourced POV nonsense, it's better out that in anywhere. Statements left by unknown people on Internet forums tend not to be notable enough to warrant inclusion, but if they are included then the ranking of said forum is important. --Irishpunktom\ 14:06, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

If the only source for "Death Threats" against this man are remarks made by an unknown person on an internet Forum, then the ranking of the forum is important, on an aside, that is not a death threat, but a militant fantasy. A death Threat is a threat made to a person or of a person.. something like "I am going to kill you", or "I will kill that guy".. these are threats, what was written at that forum were not death Threats, but thats irrelevant. The rankings, however, are not. --Irishpunktom\ 14:23, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

As displeasing as it is to your sensibilities, it is still not a death threat. Again, when if a forum post is relevent, then so too is it's ranking.--Irishpunktom\ 14:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that is a Death threat, go with that. Secondly, any time you quote from an internet Forum its' ranking becomes very relelvent, as such, no, do not remove that sourced information. --Irishpunktom\ 14:46, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, that Death thjreat is not directed at Ali Sina at all, rather at American Troops accused of desecrating the Qur'an in Cuba, so I'd be wary of including it. Can you not get a better source so as to end this squabling? --Irishpunktom\ 14:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

He, presuming it's a He, does not make a death threat against Ali Sina, but then there is no claim in the article (as it stands) that such a claim is made so it is fine as it is. If it was a top ten ranking I doubt you would be so keen to dismiss it, but, it would still warrant inclusion.--Irishpunktom\ 15:24, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Grand so, it'll be left. --Irishpunktom\ 16:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello Karl: I want to file a complaint against AnonymousEditor. I am tired of being bullied by him all the time. See Ali Sina Talk. Do you know what is the procedure? Thanks. OceanSplash 11 Dec. 2005 20:15

More personal attacks by User:Cool Cat

Please see: Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/mentorship#More personal attacks by User:Cool Cat. — Davenbelle 06:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Template_talk:Islam#Criticism_of_Islam

I tried to get a broader range of opinions on this issue from other templates but no one came and you and Zeno seem to have left the debate. I was just curious what exactly your current thoughts on the issue were. gren グレン 05:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

RFC re Tony

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 2. — Davenbelle 07:57, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Leaving

I just noticed that you where leaving Misplaced Pages, Cool Cat. So I though I'd say, good-bye, and good luck with whatever you do in the future. -- Karl Meier 21:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Arigato gozaimashita, Akuma-san. --Cool Cat 21:52, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Kan jeg få dig til at gentage det på engelsk? Det her er den engelske Misplaced Pages, og jeg forstår ikke et ord af hvad du siger.. :-) -- Karl Meier 21:50, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

否, 私は--Cool Cat 22:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

RfA

H Karl, I'm wondering what happened here as a lot of comments and a vote seemed to get deleted. Cheers, SlimVirgin 19:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Karl, and no worries. You're right about the servers being slow and it often leads to glitches. Thanks for restoring what you did. SlimVirgin 19:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Anonymous editor Rfa

Thanks for posting those diffs - they makes it much easier for an outsider to get some sense of what has been happening. Dlyons493 Talk 18:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

To talk page

Karl if the comments don't have to do with Babajobu, I really do think that they should be moved to the talk page to avoid messing up his rfa page. I have already moved our discussion there. --a.n.o.n.y.m 21:06, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Absolutely Karl. Thanks --a.n.o.n.y.m 21:14, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Trying to convince users who are voting in opposition to reconsider or explain their votes is not an unusual or unorthodox practice. This claim is way out of left-field. freestylefrappe 21:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Evidence of Tony Sidaway's Misconduct

I am currently amassing evidence of the misconduct demonstrated by User:Tony Sidaway and would appreciate your help in the matter. If you would please post any contributions you may have to User:TheChief/Evidence I would appreciate it very much. TheChief (PowWow) 23:39, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Blocked for 3RR violation.

In accordance with 3RR, you have been blocked from editing for 24 hours. Even though you didn't revert any particular section more than twice, you made 4 reverts in all. I'm watching this talk page; please leave any comments you might have here, and I'll try to answer them as soon as possible. Ral315 (talk) 00:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't been able to get ahold of you. My assumption is that it should expire at the end of the shortest block (since mine was first, it should be mine). Not positive though, so leave a message or contact me on IRC if you're not unblocked by now. Ral315 (talk) 01:46, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Akuma (悪魔)

Please see: Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/mentorship#Akuma (悪魔). Thanks, Karl. — Davenbelle 07:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Please vote

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ramallite

Yuber violation of RfAr

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Admin_enforcement_requested#Yuber_Violation_of_RfAr

Perhaps you can share your input?

Klonimus 01:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Bellil &c

Hi Karl -- I really should have stepped out of this debate as I promised, but I noticed that you've gotten involved. May I suggest that as a step towards stopping revert wars, you place an "NPOV" template on the article? You may have more luck as a bit of a "neutral party" who just joined. This will help get people talking on the talk page. Just a suggestion; it's kind of a battle zone there now. Yours, Sdedeo 02:19, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you very much for supporting my rather contentious request for adminship, but now that I've been promoted, I'd like to do a little dance here *DANCES*. If you have any specific issues/problems with me, please feel free to state them on my talk page so that I can work to prevent them in the future, and thanks once again! ALKIVAR™ 07:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Paris riots

-- I think we somehow collided accidentially there; I had no intention to revert you (I was just preventing being reverted) -- go right ahead. dab (ᛏ) 16:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I guess. Actually, I am not really sure what happend there, and there was actually no "edit conflict" message on my screen when I saved my edit. The servers are acting a bit strange today. I just restored the information that I added there, and hopefully nothing has been lost now. -- Karl Meier 16:39, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Paris riots reverts

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2005_civil_unrest_in_France&diff=28609869&oldid=28607696

I have maxed my 3 for the day. If you have more people who can guard this page from vandalism please help.

Zeq 19:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I'll try to keep an eye on that article. -- Karl Meier 06:28, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Warning to Karl Meier and Cool Cat

I shall block you both if I catch you edit warring any more as you have done on Kurdistan Workers Party and Kurdistan. I am warning you both. This has nothing to do with the arbitration case or the mentorship, it has to do with the disruptive behavior of both of you. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 08:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

New vote for deletion

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/American terrorism – Article created by BrandonYusufToropov/YUBER and WikiProject:Islam Guild for no other reason than "revenge" for the Islamofascism article. See here. (User:Striver is the leader of the Islam Guild I believe...) --Chaosfeary 12:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:WivesMuhammad

I am very disappointed that you would just go and revert after a month like you did without even as much as attempting to re-open discussion or even having an edit summary. It is completely uncalled for to act in such a way. If you want to discuss the changes do that, but as the discussion last ran Zeno had left the project in a fit of name calling and you gave up. That is not consensus for you to change it to your views. Have some real two-sided discussion before you attempt to revert. gren グレン 09:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool Cat mentorship, Kurdistan, etc

You have both been blocked for twelve hours, subject to review (see WP:AN/I).

This is a copy of comments I've made on the talk pages of Cool Cat's other mentors'

Cool Cat has recently engaged in very aggressive, unprovoked attacks on Karl Meier, including blindly reverting the latter's edits on two Kurd-related articles--on which Cool Cat has not previously edited for over two months.

He and Karl Meier have both edit warred on Kurdistan, and I've just blocked both for twelve hours. Cool Cat's edits on Kurdistan, without the aggressive behavior, would be borderline, but in the circumstances I'm inclined to the view that the problems are unlikely to be resolved because Cool Cat will not improve his behavior. I think we should consider banning him from editing any articles related to Turkey or the Kurds for two weeks. Please see the talk page of the mentorship (the link in the subject header of this section). --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Image you queried

I left a description there -- it's a public domain image. BYT 13:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

O.K. I added a {{PD}} tag. -- Karl Meier 15:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Yuber

G'day Karl,

I notice that User:Yuber seems to be getting rvted a lot, sometimes for POV-pushing, sometimes for reasons that are, frankly, rather baffling. The username showing up for the first time on some articles (such as American terrorism, where I first saw the intriguing phenomenon) is "Karl Meier". Is there anything you'd like to talk about, or any help you require? Cheers, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Your revert at Majdal Shams crossed the line. Majdal Shams is basically populated by secular Arab Druze and Arab Christians, and it has nothing to do with your "wiki-crusade" against Islam. Yuber 22:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Reverting Religion and slavery

Please discontinue reverting User:Yuber on the Religion and slavery. If you disagree with his changes, please discuss the issue on the talk page rather than pointlessly reverting each other. Thanks! --K. AKA Konrad West TALK 02:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

RFA

You may be interested to read this: Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Anonymous editor 2

(To avoid a smear campaign by AE, I have to point out that I'm writing you because you where in the past involved with this user, and AE has in his last RFA many many times campaigned at other users (also to those users who voted oppose), and that he gathered opposition at Babajobu's fist RFA). --Kefalonia 13:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about this. -- Karl Meier 22:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

DavenBelle

The deletion line says:

22:01, 11 January 2006 Viajero deleted "User:Davenbelle" (per request of user via email)

Looks like the user wanted to leave. — Ilyan e p (Talk) 18:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem, it was really nothing. — Ilyan e p (Talk) 18:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you.--CltFn 20:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Islamofascism redirect again

Hey... I don’t know if you have any interest in this subject anymore, but there is yet another attempt to bury the Islamofascism page elsewhere. If you’re interested, the debate is here: ] IronDuke 19:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about this. I'll keep an eye on it. -- Karl Meier 20:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Review

Do you think the version with the image in the middle and the link at the top, which might stop the edit wars, is less informative than the one with the image at the top? Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. What's better - an edit war and the BEST version of the article, or no edit war and a PRETTY DURN GOOD version of the article? When it's off the radar screen, we can fix it. Hipocrite - «Talk» 23:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair use image

Hello! I noticed that you had Image:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad drawings.jpg shown on your user page. The image is uploaded under a fair use provision, and Misplaced Pages policy states that fair use images should not be displayed on any pages outside the main (article) namespace, including user pages. Would you mind removing the image or simply linking to it? (Add a ":" in from of the image, like this: ]) Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Just a friendly reminder to remove the fair-use image from your user page when you find the time. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 02:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Armeniangenocide deadpeople.jpg

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The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Misplaced Pages are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. Cool Cat 14:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Armeniangenocide starvedchildren.JPG

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Dhul-Qarnayn

Where in the Book "Alexander's Gate, Gog and Magog, and the Inclosed Nations" do you find the evidence to support the claim " The Alexander Romance was enormously popular in the Hellenistic world, including Jewish communities, among which Alexander had practically gained the status of a folk hero" - I have read it twice, and though I needed Help with the Latin, I could not find it there. --Irishpunktom\ 10:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Can you e-mail me ?

Zeq 17:19, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

retry.

AfD

Hi, I thought you might be interested in these votes for deletion:

Cheers, Pecher 16:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I need your help

While I have some problems with your frequentations in Misplaced Pages(religion related), I need someone helping me with evidences, check my evidenve page, I need help accumulating as much evidences as could it be found. I am not involving you into this and I don't wish any involvement since this time it is only between me and Coolcat and it has gone much too personal with what he has done. You can use my evidence page and add the evidences there. I am not emailing you this since I want Coolcat to know what I am up to and for matters of transparency. Regards. Fad (ix) 21:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh another thing, while I have not added a big deal of the evidences I have accumulated and I have to go out for now, know that there is no doubt in my mind that Coolcat is Karabekir and that both are Nafriz, I have also evidences in Turkish language that will come in the last part of my documentation. Fad (ix) 21:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

regarding revisions

This is what I'm thinking; I would revert everything before and after the Turkish side of the page. For the Turkish side; I believe there are three points, fadix has problems with. I think it is best to let him develop those sections as he will delete them any way.--OttomanReference 20:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hope this will satisfy your position. The disputed section is moved out, after the tag is removed that section can be merged back. Thanks.--OttomanReference 20:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I have posted this on the talk page: Karabekirs additions on the Turkish position is moved to the "Position of Turkey" page. Please give your position on its talk page, as soon as possible so that we can unite the section to the main page. --OttomanReference 20:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ongoing mediation

Your presence is requested in an ongoing mediation regarding the contents of several Islam-related articles. Thank you for your understanding. --Cyde Weys 02:40, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfC

Hey hey, some folks are preparing an RfC against me, and I'm guessing they'd appreciate your additions, for there are several - User:Dbiv/RFC on Irishpunktom --Irishpunktom\ 14:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Srebrenica massacre

Karl, your edit at Srebrenica massacre is not going to stick, unless you manage to convince some of us that it is a good idea. I suggest you make your case on the talk page, because edit wars just cost everybody time and do not yield results. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 11:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Kurdish lands 92 cropped.jpg

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Image legality questions page. Thank you. Shyam 21:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Karl Meier, thank you for the response, but I am really sorry for reverting the image because without knowing the copyright information, it is not fair to edit in the image of any kind. Once copyright information is known, please revert the image to the version which you have uploaded according to copyright information. Regards, Shyam 06:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

'Dear Muslims, we are so sorry'

You are entitle to declare whatever POV you wish on your userpage. Links are also permitted some degree of leaway. However, luring people to click on an offensive link with a misleading tag is a clear breach of WP:CIVIL, and could be interpreted as racist trolling. I am assuming this was not your intention, and this is just a mis-placed attempt at humour without intending offense. So, I'm asking you nicely to remove the link, or st least to make it clear what it links to. Thanks. --Doc 15:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)