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::<small>This article should not be wrongly named only because the meaning of word "march" to vary in other part of Europe. --] (]) 22:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)</small> |
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::<small>This article should not be wrongly named only because the meaning of word "march" to vary in other part of Europe. --] (]) 22:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)</small> |
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:::Make that '''vehemently oppose'''. We are written in English, not German or Czech; and the meaning of "march" in English is not so limited. ] <small>]</small> 04:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Make that '''vehemently oppose'''. We are written in English, not German or Czech; and the meaning of "march" in English is not so limited. ] <small>]</small> 04:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' (and alter lead to reflect the change). The main difficulty arises from a few sentences regardding the status of thge area before their were margraves. I do not accept the Chester argument, and the Palatinate of Cheshire was not a marcher lordship anyway, but one of a series of palatinate earldoms donw the Welsh border. These were quite different constitutionally from marcher lordships, as the king's writ did not run in Wales. Anyway, I do not think it appropriate to use definitions relating specifically to the Welsh border to govern the situation in cnetural Europe. ] (]) 16:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:If this article is moved, I shall dispute the accuracy of the title. It is, and remains, inappropriate nationalism to impose Czech or German definitions on English. I disagree with Peterkingiron's quibble about the ]; but neither was any ] sent forth against Slavs or Magyars. It may be worth distinguishing the 10th century lordship with which this article begins from Austro-Hungarian Moravia, if that is the point here. ] <small>]</small> 19:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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<small>'''March'''<br /> |
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1. The border or boundary of a country or an area of land; a frontier.<br /> |
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2. A tract of land bordering on two countries and claimed by both.<br /> |
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<small>'''Margraviate''' (also ''margravate'')<br /> |
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The territory governed by a margrave.<br /> |
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::::I guess you vehemently reveal your own ignorance. :))) --] (]) 20:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' (and alter lead to reflect the change). The main difficulty arises from a few sentences regardding the status of the area before their were margraves. I do not accept the Chester argument, and the Palatinate of Cheshire was not a marcher lordship anyway, but one of a series of palatinate earldoms donw the Welsh border. These were quite different constitutionally from marcher lordships, as the king's writ did not run in Wales. Anyway, I do not think it appropriate to use definitions relating specifically to the Welsh border to govern the situation in central Europe. ] (]) 16:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::If this article is moved, I shall dispute the accuracy of the title. It is, and remains, inappropriate nationalism to impose Czech or German definitions on English. I disagree with Peterkingiron's quibble about the ]; but neither was any ] sent forth against Slavs or Magyars. It may be worth distinguishing the 10th century lordship with which this article begins from Austro-Hungarian Moravia, if that is the point here. ] <small>]</small> 19:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:::<small>Are you able to perceive written text properly? '''Where do you find any trace of nationalism?''' How "nationalistic" is term "margraviate" against "march"? Both are English!! There is a terminological not nationalistic problem with the name of this article – nomenclature of this entity in original languages mentioned under 2nd point isn't pursuing of any nationalistic agenda. I listed it just to prove difference between both terms in area of Central and Eastern Europe. And such difference is also recognized by authorities in the field of history a historical geography! '''I repeat my 1st and main argument: ''take into consideration ... experts' point of view (see literature listed above in the )''''' Besides, how "Czech-nationalistic" are such sources as or ?? (Both use term ''margraviate''.) --] (]) 20:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)</small> |
I hereby suggest to change the headline to Margravate of Moravia. Austria has been a march (German: Mark) thousand years ago. But Moravia in the late Habsburg Empire has been a Margravate (German: Markgrafschaft), not a March. --Johnny3031 (talk) 21:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
