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List of That Girl episodes

Ahh, so you decided to make a List of That Girl episodes on your own. And you copied some of my work too, with the exception of my series/season number errors. Hey, as long as it's there. ----DanTD (talk) 14:06, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmm. This is peculiar. I left a response at WT:TV, or at least I thought I did, telling you this but it's not there. Maybe I didn't click "Save page". Oh well, at least you found it. --AussieLegend (talk) 14:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

No, you didn't leave a response, but you did help me with my own version of the list, and I'm thankful for that. I'm not ready to delete the version in my sandbox just yet, but the deletion is inevitable. Sorry if I woke you up for this(although I can't imagine how). Just out of curiosity, why are some episodes shaded in gray? ----DanTD (talk) 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The episodes that are grey are those that have episode summaries. It's a function of {{Episode list}}. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

It looks kinf of inconsistent, but okay. Just out of curiosity, what do you want to do about the two versions of "What's In a Name?" ----DanTD (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The alternative is to unhide the "|ShortSummary=" fields,which will make all episode header rows grey, but that will add 122 blank lines to the article, which looks messy. I've commented the pilot out because the only source I've found is imdb, which is not reliable. Reliable sources don't seem to mention it. Most TV programs don'tlist the unaired pilots, but if we can find reliable sources that support it, there's nothing stopping it being included. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, IMDb doesn't mention the date of the pilot version of "What's in a Name." It is one of the bonus features on the Season One DVD, and a screen grab of the closing titles would support that, but that would be a copyright violation. Aside from exposing the pilot as part of the list, the only thing I can imagine is writing a decent version of the plot summary for the revised version, and mentioning the differences in the pilot as a note. ----DanTD (talk) 16:04, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I had to revert your edit to one episode title, because despite what MSN and TVGuide claim the episode title is, the DVD states that the title of the episode as "Thanksgiving Comes But Once a Year, Hopefully". Meanwhile I should start working on more plot summaries for the other episodes. ----DanTD (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Since we have two verifiable reliable sources that say "Thankfully", we're going to need a citation for "Hopefully". --AussieLegend (talk) 04:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

So, what do you want me to do? Make a photocopy from the DVD cover and post it on ImageShack? ----DanTD (talk) 07:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd like you to know that both MSN and TVGuide have made mistakes too. When it comes to anything in the creative arts, the actual work and artists are the best source. ----DanTD (talk)

Everyone makes mistakes, but we can't resort to OR to determine which is wrong and which is right. I have doubts about DVDs made 35-40 years after the original works were created and it's unlikely that TVGUide and MSN have made the same mistake. Our best practice is to note both the aired name and the name on the DVD. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Reply

I just hope you warned User:Bidgee too. He indeed breached WP:3RR and he's getting slack? I also replied on Talk:Russell Crowe. RAP (talk) 15:06 21 December 2011 (UTC)

According to the edit history, Bidgee did not breach 3RR, as I explained on your talk page. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Lake Macquarie suburbs question

After noticing an inconsistency in whether Lake Macquarie suburbs claimed to be in Lake Macquarie or Newcastle, I had been editing them to be more consistent (and chose Lake Macquarie as the obvious more accurate choice). Up until I came across an old hidden comment inside one suburb saying to stop changing it to say Lake Macquarie, which led me to several archived talk pages including yours, mostly concerning population counts.

Are you aware of any consensus on this issue? It seems to me that, for the purposes of suburb articles, unless you are calling most of the Hunter a suburb of newcastle you need to draw a line somewhere, and the LGA boundaries are the only real place to do it which wouldn't be personal opinion. And the fact that Newcastle is still given as the nearby CBD should make things clear. --Qetuth (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

There is a rather peculiar belief here that ABS SDs define city boundaries, which they do not. This is why Sydney extends from the southern part of Lake Macquarie down to past Wollongong, when Sydney obviously does not. When I first started editing here Newcastle, New South Wales covered all of the local LGAs and suburbs listed at List of suburbs in Greater Newcastle, New South Wales. After some discussion, a bit of common sense prevailed, but only a bit, as it was decided that Newcastle included everything in the Newcastle UCL. This includes a fair part of Lake Macquarie, Fern Bay (which is part of Port Stephens) but not Beresfield, Tarro or most of Hexham. I've tried using the LGA boundary argument, as that is the official definition of a city boundary in NSW (with Greater Sydney being a special addition) but there is a perception that LGAs that aren't on the NSW Geographical Names Register can't be "real" cities, especially if they were declared to be cities after 1993, when the Local Government Act 1993 was enacted. This is the problem that confronts Lake Macquarie; despite being larger in area and greater in population than Newcastle, and having become a city before the Local Government Act 1993, it's not considered to be a real city. You can see how I was shouted down at Talk:Charlestown, New South Wales about this. I haven't seen the "original discussion" where it was decided that LGAs are not cities, but I disagree with it. LGA bounderies are official and verifiable and that's what we should use in NSW. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that...isn't really all that helpful, is it? I guess I'll leave it alone for now and not stir up trouble. I notice if I'm reading it right that map seems to include Toronto but not several suburbs which would consider Toronto their local town center (eg Rathmines). Anyway, agreed completely we should be using an official and verifiable source and thanks for the explanation. --Qetuth (talk) 10:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

3RR doesn't apply.

Removing a personal attack (one calling me a racist) isn't a 3RR issue. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Removing personal attacks is not one of the 3RR exemptions and edit-warring is unacceptable anywhere. There are other actions you could take, such as raising the matter at WP:AN/I. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

• No editor should have to tolerate being called a racist when they haven't said a single word about race. It is vile and not only should I not tolerate it, you shouldn't tolerate it being done. WQA is a giant waste of time, so why bother with it. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:15, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

• 3RR doesn't apply to libelous material about a living person. Calling me a racist is libelous and I am a living person. BLP doesn't apply only to subjects of articles and it applies to ANY Misplaced Pages page, including talk pages.Niteshift36 (talk) 03:18, 1 January 2012 (UTC)