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Did Rizal die a catholic?
Actually yes i really care but what made me do this discussion is that i want to be clarified on the matter claiming that Rizal indeed died a catholic, if so why did the catholic priest had to snatch away in absolute secrecy the body of Rizal after execution to be burried at the Paco cemetery? (refer to case unclosed program aired November 26, 2009 hosted by Mr. Arnold Clavio)
As per the claim of Ms. Barbara Gonzales, the grand daughter of Rizal, that Rizal really was a martyr and a hero because he really represented the filipino people in good form and substance but what about the real purpose of Rizal of making the Philippines a province of Spain and to be represented in the Spanish cortez? At this juncture, Rizal had emphasize being a representative of the Illustrados and not of the marginalized filipino people during that time.
More on Rizal's being a catholic devotee, was there any record of him being accepted back into the catholic fold since it was for a fact that he was excommunicated by the catholic church and being as such it means not receiving the holy communion nor to be allowed to hear the mass and depriving him of the right to be burried in a catholic cemetery. --Leo S. Dagaerag (talk) 04:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Leitmeritz
In the Noli_Me_Tangere_(novel)#Reaction_and_legacy, there is a reference to Leitmeritz -- is this referring to Ferdinand Blumentritt? --达伟 (talk) 21:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
National hero?
The text: He is considered the Philippines' national hero is unsourced and so a tag has been placed. Please see WP:IRS. Please do not remove this tag unless a reliable source is cited. Qwerta369 (talk) 10:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
The Triumph of Science over Death
I have removed the following: "He made the Triumph of science over death and give the sculpture to Ferdinand Blumentritt. He made this sculpture for the sake of Filipino women. He gave this sculpture to Blumentritt to show how Filipino women were abused by the Spaniards." which is comically false. I have created a new section and placed both the picture of the sculpture and its real symbolism there. I have also linked to its original page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RafaelMinuesa (talk • contribs) 05:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Rajah of Tondo as an ancestor of Rizal
I have removed that false statement. Apart from the fact that the author Austin Craig is not a recognized expert on the matter, he NEVER mentions Lakandula, Rajah of Tondo as an ancestor.
I have checked his book "Lineage, Life, and Labors of Jose Rizal, Philippine Patriot" at project Gutenberg, and nowhere in the book does he say such a thing. See the full text of his book here: http://www.fullbooks.com/Lineage-Life-and-Labors-of-Jose-Rizal1.html
However, if you have references that prove that he actually mentioned Lakandula as an ancestor, please include them in the article. Otherwise, please stop changing the article. Thank you --RafaelMinuesa (talk) 02:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
The reference of the actual descent of Jose Rizal in Austin Craig's is being questioned on grounds that it does not appear in a reprinted version as published in the Guttenberg freebies. As a descendant of Lakan Dula, of which all of the Filipinos bearing the surname Lacandola can lay claim to, I was interested in this. I had seen an original volume in hard cover published by the Philippine Education Co. so a reader of a reprinted version cannot claim absolute certainty on the issue. If such a reader who has not seen the original and calumniates Austin Craig as 'not a recognized expert on the matter, then who is? Certainly not this individual. Umbriago. 12 Jan. 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.225.157 (talk) 19:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
- Again, if you have references that prove that Austin Craig actually mentioned Lakandula as an ancestor, please share them.
- The problem here is that NONE of the recognized experts on the subject, EVER mentions Lakandula as an ancestor of Rizal.
- --RafaelMinuesa (talk) 07:16, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Surname Chua
Page Chinese Filipino says "surnamed Chua before his late Hispanic surname." Is this correct? Hongthay (talk) 14:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- I don't have time to dig too deep on this right now, but you might look at the entries which come up as Previewable using this google books search. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:33, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
More citations
At its present state, this article won't be good enough for WP:OTD, and since Rizal's 150th birth anniversary is coming, it'll be nice to spruce this up with references so that this can be good enough to be displayed at the Main Page. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 16:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Myths about Rizal and the University of Santo Tomas
Here are some excerpts from the study of former UST archivist Fr. Fidel Villarroel
Myth: Rizal complained about his grades in UST and was discriminated and treated shabbily by the Dominicans.
Fact: 1. Rizal entered the UST in 1877, enrolling in the Pre-Law Course, which was made up of philosophical subjects. The course was commonly called metaphysics. He passed the course brilliantly with the highest grades in spite of his initial indifference to philosophy and his youthful distractions through the year. Then he opted for the career of medicine. And in 1878-1879 he took simultaneously the Pre-Medical Course and the First Year of Medicine; this was against the rules, but Rizal was favored with a dispensation. The Pre-Medicine Course was also called Ampliacion, because the student, having taken already Physics, Chemistry and Natural History in the high school, now took an advanced course on the same subjects (Rizal did not take in Santo Tomas the “class of physics” described in El Fili but rather in Ateneo).
In his courses of medicine, Rizal was a good student, above-average, though not excellent; but none of his classmates were excellent either. Summing up, in the 21 subjects taken in UST, Rizal obtained one aprobado (passing grade), eight bueno (good), six notable (very good) and six sobresaliente (excellent). Majority of students in Rizal’s time, or in any time, would have been satisfied with the above grades. It is possible that Rizal was not, but it is a fact that he never complained about his grades, there is not a single word in his works showing displeasure at the unfairness of UST.
Yet many of his biographers are angry, unreasonably angry (including anti-ust pexers?) at the treatment given to the national hero by his alma mater. How could Rizal, after a perfect record of “Excellent” in the high school (Ateneo) now receive such “low” grades at UST? The critics had to look for an explanation, and since they did not find fault in Rizal, then they had to blame the Dominicans and UST. And from Retana to Austin Craig, from Frank Lauback to Austin Coates and to quite a long line of Filipino biographers (with some exceptions), we only hear the same repeated lamentation that every school child must now learn in the textbooks: that Rizal was “below his usual standards”, and for the extremely serious charge that the “Dominican professors were hostile to him” and “the Filipino students were racially discriminated” (Zaide), and that there was “excessive harping on the alleged intellectual superiority of the Spanish (because he was white) to the Filipino, a brown man, and Indio (JM Hernandez), and so on. An objective historian must squarely face and honestly answer these grave statements, which sound like accusations.
Was Rizal “far below his usual standards”? What standards, in the first place? If by usual standards we mean the grades of his Ateneo high school studies, the comparison is unfair. Nobody places elementary or high school standards against college or University standards. They belong to different levels. At Ateneo municipal, Rizal was excellent, though not the only excellent student. At the UST, none of his classmates ever got near to keeping a straight record of Excellent. And this was because Medicine was a different kind of stuff altogether.
Therefore, if we are to arrive at a just appreciation of Rizal’s performance at the UST, we should compare, not his grades in the high school with those in the university, but Rizal’s grades in Medicine against those of his classmates. In the first year of medicine, Rizal’s class was made up of 24 students, but due to academic failures, seventeen of them were left by the roadside before they reached the fourth year, when only seven took the final examinations. And in this fourth (and for Rizal last) year, he landed in second place behind Cornelio Mapa. A persecuted Rizal would have probably ended by the same roadside as the seventeen “debarred” classmates, or would have never boasted of being second when he left for Spain in 1882.
2. It can hardy be said that Rizal was discriminated and treated shabbily by the Dominicans since he was granted the rare privilege of studying simultaneously in the Preparatory Course of Medicine and the First Year of Medicine.
Records likewise show that six Spaniards were enrolled with Rizal in the first year of Medicine, of whom three were Peninsular and three Philippine-born. If the criticism of some biographers were true, these six students would have been favored by the friars. Yet at the end of the fourth year there remained only one Philippine-born Spaniard, Jose Resurreccion y Padilla, who managed to get only a poor passing grade (aprobado), last among successful students, and who in the following year received a crushing suspenso. It would be unkind to rejoice over failures, whether of Spanish or of Filipinos, but the biographers of Rizal will not be convincing unless they prove with valid documents the existence of “racial discrimination” in UST in the 19th century when it came to academic grades.
3. Rizal’s inclinations and abilities must be taken into account. While he was undoubtedly inclined to, and remarkably fitted for, the arts and letters, he was not much attracted to Medicine. “Perhaps – says Leon Ma. Guerrero – Medicine was not his real vocation”. Medicine was a convenient career taken up in consideration of the poor health of Rizal’s mother, whom he wanted to help, and eventually helped as a physician.
4. When Rizal transferred to Spain and continued his studies at the University of Madrid, he showed there similar characteristics. He was sobresaliente in the humanistic studies (literature, languages, history), while in Medicine he fared worse than at the University of Santo Tomas. Ye no historian or biographer has ever complained about his poor performance in Madrid or hinted that Rizal was discriminated against in that Central University.
5. Rizal had Dominican friends in the persons of Fr. Evaristo Arias and Fr. Joaquin Fonseca. It was while studying at UST that Rizal obtained public recognition as a poet. It was the Dominican, Fr. Arias who helped him cultivate his craft in poetry. During his Thomasian years, Rizal composed the best poems of his pre-European period, one of them being A la Juventud Filipina, winner of the first prize in the contest organized by the Liceo Artistico-Literario in 1879. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.200.249.51 (talk) 03:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
- --jarcills (talk) 11:20, 06 May 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.200.249.51 (talk)
Incorrect photo of Rizal memorial in Paco Park
The Photo of Rizal's tomb in Paco Park is incorrect. The picture shown is actually the memorial of the three martyred priests, Gomez, Burgos, and Zamora. I replaced the incorrect photo with a photo taken by me of the Rizal Memorial in Paco Park. Matikas 0805 (talk) 18:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Sexual Preference Controversy
I'm moving the following here for discussion. It was inserted in the article as a subsection of Aftermath with the heading Sexual Preference Controversy.
Some Rizal experts say that Rizal was probably gay, even if he is considered as a womanizer by many drawings of male reproductive was seen in his notes when he's a doctor of the eye. There was also his dream about Ferdinand Blumentritt being in his house in Calamba and he was eating . And then Rizal woke up, and when he woke up he was shaking and he was perspiring. He said he was wet. Psychiatrists who read it said it was a “wet dream."
This is given undue weight as presented here, I think.
The cited source is interesting, and some material supported by that source it may merit inclusion in the article. The material quoted above, though, IMHO, goes too far in lifting one small snippet out of context in support of inserted assertions given undue weight. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:47, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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