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Mediation Case: 2006-04-10 Cuba
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Request Information
- Request made by: BruceHallman 15:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- Where is the issue taking place?
- Cuba
- Who's involved?
- Many people, see article and talk page. The essence of the problem comes from a failure to respect opposing points of view, and user User:Adam Carr, though he is not alone, refuses to comply with WP:NPOV policy, see his statement on the Talk:Cuba page.
- After looking at this more, another facaet of the problem is that a few users are trying to edit in and edit out "truth", as they personally believe it to be, as opposed to respecting WP:V. User User:Comandante repeatedly exercises personal editorial policy contrary to Misplaced Pages policy. Also, though not quite as egregious, so does User:Bletch.
- What's going on?
- Ongoing edit war, with layers of dispute, but the top dispute is the definition of the word 'democracy' related to Cuba.
- Also, a revert war of the issue Government Type. Cycling between Republic and Communist State, perhaps hundreds of times.
- Four hours later, things might be calming down, a small truce in the revert war may be developing. BruceHallman 19:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- Eight hours later, the government type edit war is renewed. BruceHallman 23:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- What would you like to change about that?
- I would like the group's editors to reach concensus to include both (or all) points of view of this subject in the article.
- I suggest that the Government Type be shown as both types, or not shown in the country box at all and instead being described in a section of the article, with both opinions itemized and explained.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- I am willing to work this out openly and compromise, or concede if I am wrong.
- Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
Perhaps.
- This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
- what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.
- ...
Mediator response
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Discussion
There are, of course, deep rooted and complicated POV issues concerning Cuba and Misplaced Pages. Given the geographical balance of Misplaced Pages I have grave concerns whether Cuba can be consistently represented in a NPOV manner, free from systemic bias.I believe that these issues may warrant a Wiki-project in it's own right, such edit wars cannot address the problem sufficently. A proper project / study and page protection needs to be implemented. I would be willing to participate in any moves towards this. --Zleitzen 20:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)