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February 25

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Works about writers

Propose renaming Category:Works about writers to Category:Works about writers and their works

Nominator's rationale: Most of the categories use the "Works about FOO and his/her works". Armbrust, B.Ed. _{about my edits?} 18:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Comment:Category:Works about writers by writer is more elegant. For a similar discussions see Log 7 February 2012. Stefanomione (talk) 18:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:School museums in Alberta

Category:School museums in Alberta - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete None of the three entries can reasonably be considered as a school museum. They are open-air museums that happen to include a school. The phrase is seldom used to start with but I have found no instance of a reliable source that refers to either of these three museums as a "school museum". Pichpich (talk) 18:47, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Baylor Bears athletic directors to Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Georgia Bulldogs athletic directors to Category:Georgia Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords athletic directors to Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Louisiana Tech University athletic directors to Category:Louisiana Tech Bulldogs and Lady Techsters athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:LSU Tigers athletic directors to Category:LSU Tigers and Lady Tigers athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Mississippi State Bulldogs athletic directors to Category:Mississippi State Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Oklahoma State Cowboys athletic directors to Category:Oklahoma State Cowboys and Cowgirls athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Penn State Nittany Lions athletic directors to Category:Penn State Nittany Lions and Lady Lions athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:TCU Horned Frogs athletic directors to Category:TCU Horned Frogs and Lady Frogs athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Tennessee Volunteers athletic directors to Category:Tennessee Volunteers and Lady Volunteers athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Texas Tech Red Raiders athletic directors to Category:Texas Tech Red Raiders and Lady Raiders athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:UTEP Miners athletic directors to Category:UTEP Miners and Lady Miners athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Western Kentucky Hilltoppers athletic directors to Category:Western Kentucky Hilltoppers and Lady Toppers athletic directors

Propose renaming Category:Wyoming Cowboys athletic directors to Category:Wyoming Cowboys and Cowgirls athletic directors

Nominator's rationale: Mirroring Category:Chattanooga Mocs and Lady Mocs athletic directors and others where men's and women's teams have different name. The proposed names all match the parent categories such as Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:47, 25 February 2012 (UTC) Mike Selinker (talk) 14:47, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Support per standard naming conventions when men's and women's programs use different nicknames. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
  • (On the Kenyon nomination) Support - I'm the category's creator and forgot to include the "and Ladies." Agree with proposal. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Terminology by author

Category:Terminology by author - Template:Lc1

Category:Terminology of Jacques Derrida‎ - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: User:Stefanomione has created a new category tree, and populated it with Category:Terminology of Jacques Derrida‎, which I believe should be deleted per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:DEFINING, as only two of the category contents appear to have been coined by Derrida. If we began to categorize all terms that are simply used by writers, philosophers and academics, this would lead to a massive and pointless clutter. The parent category Category:Terminology by author is misleading, as the other two subcats, Maoist terminology‎ and Marxist terminology‎, are obviously not "authors." We could also decide to keep the Derrida category and simply add it to the appropriate pre-existing subject grouping in Category:Terminology, such as Category:Postmodern terminology, or merge it there—though deletion for both is still my strong preference. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Delete both, add Différance and Phallogocentrism to the (small and very manageable) Category:Jacques Derrida and upmerge to Category:Postmodern terminology. Shawn is correct to point out that a terminology by author subtree is certain to lead to ridiculous levels of clutter. In fact that's precisely why we're categorizing terminology not by authors but through coherent groups of authors such as marxists or postmodern philosophers. Pichpich (talk) 17:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Old Paludians

Propose renaming Category:Old Paludians to Category:People educated at Slough Grammar School

Nominator's rationale: Rename to a plain English name which incorporates the title of head article Slough Grammar School, and fits the convention Category:People educated by school in England. The current category name consists of an English-language adjective derived from the Latin word for "Slough", and gives no indication of the contents of the category to any reader or editor who is unfamiliar with the school's history. I see no evidence that the term "Old Paludians" has gained currency outside the school's own circles. For example, searching for "Old Paludians" produces no hits in Google News. The article Old Paludians Association is referenced entirely to the Association itself, and makes no claim of notability.

For a more comprehensive rationale for renaming "Old Fooian" categories of school alumni, see the group nomination at CfD 2012 February 22, where I set out the general problems with this type of category name and linked to the many precedents for renaming this type of category. If you have concerns about the general principles of this renaming, please read that rationale before commenting here! Thanks. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

PS. The "Old Paludian" term also refers to alumni of the predecessors of Slough Grammar School, which was created in 1993. The renaming will not affect that, because the standard practice is categorise alumni of merged or renamed educational institutions under the current name. However, if the renaming goes ahead, editors may wish to create {{category redirect}}s for people educated at:

• Slough Secondary School (1912–1936)
• Slough Grammar School for Boys (1936–1982)
• Slough High School for Girls (1936–1982)
• Upton Grammar School (1982–1993)
• Slough Grammar School (1993 - )

--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Support -- I do not think we need "Old fooian" categories for grammar and high schools - they are usually too obscure. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:09, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
• Rename. No way to know what this contains without context.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Old Edwardians

Propose renaming

• Category:Old Edwardians (St. Edward's) to Category:Alumni of St. Edward's Secondary School, Freetown
• Category:Old Edwardians (Johannesburg) to Category:Alumni of King Edward VII School (Johannesburg)

Nominator's rationale: Rename both to plain English descriptive titles which clarify the purpose of the categories to both readers and editors by incorporating the full article title of each school. These names follow the "Alumni of Foo" convention of their respective parent categories

This is partly a followup to a discussion at CfD 2011 January 24, when three similar "Old Edwardians" categories for UK-based schools (King Edward's School, Birmingham + King Edward VII School, Sheffield + Edward VI School, Southampton) were renamed to use the "People educated at" format which has since become the convention for UK categories. It is also a followup to a long series of more recent discussions, in which there has been a consistent consensus to abandon the "Old Fooian" format where it is either ambiguous or does not reflect the school's common name.

In the case of King Edward VII School (Johannesburg), the proposed new category name directly reflects the title of the head article St. Edward's School (disambiguation). For St. Edward's Secondary School I have added its location "Freetown" as a disambiguator, because although we do not have other articles on schools with that exact title, St. Edward's School (disambiguation) lists many other secondary schools whose name begins with "St Edwards". The disambiguator will help editors to avoid miscategorisation.

For a more comprehensive rationale for renaming "Old Fooian" categories of school alumni, see the group nomination at CfD 2012 February 22, where I set out the general problems with this type of category name and linked to the many precedents for renaming this type of category. If you have concerns about the general principles of this renaming, please read that rationale before commenting here! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Note to closing admin. If these renames proceed, the disambiguation page at Category:Old Edwardians should be updated. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:33, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
• Support -- The term "Old Edwardian" can properly be applied to dozens of schools founded by Edward VI - or rather refounded, as most were the refoundations of schools conducted by chantry priests. There is an Old Edwardian Club in Stourbridge, whose membership is (or was) that of the local Grammar School (now a Sixth Form College) or of other Edwardian foundations (such as Shrewsbury School). This whole thread of CFDs started with problems over the schools of the King Edward VI school foundation in Birmingham. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
• Rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Old Gowers

Propose renaming Category:Old Gowers to Category:People educated at University College School

Nominator's rationale: Rename to clarify the purpose of the category by adopting a plain English descriptive format which incorporates the title of the article on the school: University College School. The assists the majority of the wikipedia's readers who will be umfailiar with the inhouse WP:JARGON of individual schools.

The "Old Gowers" terminology arises from the school's former location on Gower Street in central London, but it left there 105 years ago (in 1907). Schools may of course use whatever internal terminology they like, but this terminology makes for poor category names unless it has a) achieved sufficient common usage in reliable sources to be recognisable to those not involved with the school, and b) is unambiguous.

In this case, the title is ambiguous, because a plain English reading of the term relates to people from the scenic Gower Peninsula in Wales. I can find no evidence that the term is widely connected with the school: there is no such usage in a Google News search. A Google Books search throws up 831 hits, but most of them refer to old things from the Gower Peninsula (e.g. "Old Gower Farmhouses") or old things from Gower Street (e.g. "the old Gower Street Chapel", see 102 gbooks hits for "old Gower Street"), and there are a lot of references to the character of Gower from Shakespeare's play Pericles, Prince of Tyre (see the many hits for the phrase "pardon old Gower", a quote from the play). I checked each entry in the first ten pages of the Google book search, and found not a single reference to the school.

For a more comprehensive rationale for renaming "Old Fooian" categories of school alumni, see the group nomination at CfD 2012 February 22, where I set out the general problems with this type of category name and linked to the many precedents for renaming this type of category. If you have concerns about the general principles of this renaming, please read that rationale before commenting here!

I omitted the "Old Gowers" from that group nomination and a further group nom, because I had noticed that the school is of the 12 members of the Eton Group of leading public schools, and Category:Old Gowers currently contains 184 biographical articles. Since the school itself is so eminent, and all of the 184 biogs are presumed to be on notable people, I had hunch that an eminent school which churned out so many notables might have gained some wider usage of its terminology, and left it aside to do some research. My hunch has turned out to be wrong: lots of notable "old Gowers", but no sign of common usage of the term "old Gower". Apart from the googling above, I also checked each of the online references to the List of Old Gowers, and not one of them contains the phrase "old Gower". BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:09, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• PS The research above on the usage of the term "Old Gower" also pointed me to the existence of redirects to the University College School article from both Old Gower and The Gower. Since I can find no evidence that the school or its alumni are the primary usage of either term, I have converted Old Gower to a dab page, and redirected the The Gower to Gower Peninsula. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
• Support -- I hope I am right in believing that there is no otehr University College School anywhere in the world. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:34, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
• Rename. No way to know what this contains without context.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Lists of government ministers of Australia

Propose renaming Category:Lists of government ministers of Australia to Category:Government ministries of Australia

Nominator's rationale: It is filled predominantly with articles about ministries. Even thought the articles in the category may contain a list the category should be reserved for pages that are purely a list ie. preceded by "List of". -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:29, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Strong oppose renaming. This is part of a series of categories for govt ministers by country, which are sub-cats of Category:Lists of government ministers. Many of the articles about individual ministries also include embedded lists of ministers, and are therefore correctly included in this category; please remove any articles which do not contain a list of ministers. If the nominator wishes to create a separate Category:Government ministries of Australia as a subcat of Category:Ministries by country, I would encourage him to do so. But that is a separate issue to this cat of lists of ministers. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Old Highburians

Propose renaming Category:Old Highburians to Category:Alumni of Highbury Preparatory School

Nominator's rationale: Rename to a descriptive format which uses the the title of the head article, Highbury Preparatory School. This rename facilitates navigation by removing obscure WP:JARGON from a category name (where it impedes navigation), and by clarifying the category's purpose as alumni of the school in KwaZulu-Natal. This also disambiguates the category name from:

1. alumni of the defunct Highbury House School in Highbury, London, England, from which the prep school took its name (see here and here)
2. A possible further Highbury House School in Hastings
3. Old or deceased people from Highbury district of London, England
4. former pupils of Highbury Grove School in the Highbury, London
5. alumni of the defunct Highbury County Grammar School for Boys who also call themselves "Old Highburians"

The "Alumni of Foo" format proposed for the new name follows the convention of Category:Alumni by secondary school in South Africa. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Support -- As this is a preparatory school, not a public or high school, one might question whether this should exist, but I do not propose to. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:37, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
• Rename.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:People from Tayside

Category:People from Tayside - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete as superfluous. Tayside is a defunct council area in Scotland, and the local categorisations of Scottish people are now organised under current council areas, in Category:People by council area in Scotland. The category is now empty, since I have just recategorised the sole article Alex Anderson (footballer). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Glossary of computers

Propose renaming Category:Glossary of computers to Category:Glossaries of computers

Nominator's rationale: per convention and grammar. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• Speedy rename per speedy renaming criterion C2.C, to fit the convention of Category:Glossaries. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:04, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Skeptic multimedia

Propose renaming Category:Skeptic multimedia to Category:Scepticism publications

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Alternatively Category:Scepticism literature. The title is probably a little misleading and does not fit in with other categorisation schemes. It mainly contains books, magazines and journals. Note that I have removed some of the articles that were more related to urban legends. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose The category also includes films, TV shows and at least one website, so "publications" won't work, unfortunately. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)