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Eugeniusz Romer

It seems that this expert of Polish case in negotiations before Treaty of Versailles, world expert in cartography, glaciology, and climatology is really forgotten by Polish wikipedians. alx-pl d

B-class review request (Stanisław Staszic)

C'mon, people, isn't there anybody who can review a few articles? Sigh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 05:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I did some CE and such, but I'd rather leave assessment to a native speaker who can review the style better than I can. //Halibutt 19:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I usually don't bother much with language assessment for B-class; this is something that reviews at GA+ classes can worry about. In fact, I do GA reviews and don't worry much about language, neither. There is only so much one person can do - it's almost impossible to find somebody who knows Misplaced Pages policies, topic subject and has good grasp of language, so one-person reviews will almost always be inadequate. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 21:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Done.VolunteerMarek 03:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Polish–Soviet War is about to get defeatured

Thanks to VM for helping with a number of issues, but it is clear that the two of us do not have time or will to fix all of them. Does anyone else care to help? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I can copyedit similar to Radzymin and ask intelligent questions about the content and look for any holes, having some familiarity with it as well as some sources. Time is limited but glad to help. Aside from any straight copyediting, do we have any key issues, they weren't clear from the last "cleanup" thread from last summer. If you'd like to post a new "Essentials" section with a list of to-do's necessary to maintain article status, that would help. Best! PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 18:56, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I tracked down the FARC. I'll try and take a look this weekend, and I might have some time next week. Best, PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 23:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

":behaviour of some commanders like Stanisław Bułak-Bałachowicz or Vadim Yakovlev." - bad guys were only on Polish side.Xx236 (talk) 09:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Should partition-rulers be in the scope of our project?

I was looking at our most popular pages, and I noticed a number of Russian tsars there. It appears that articles of Russian rulers of Congress Poland are tagged with WP:POLAND. I don't think this is helpful; they are topics of importance to Russia project, but not really to us. For the same reasons, Polish monarchs are not included in the scope of Ukraine, Belarus, Prussia or Silesia WikiProjects. And neither Napoleon nor Hitler are included within the scopes of most the countries they conquered. G

Articles affected:

• Talk:Catherine the Great
• Talk:Alexander I of Russia
• Talk:Nicholas I of Russia
• Talk:Alexander II of Russia
• Talk:Alexander III of Russia
• Talk:Nicholas II of Russia

For the record, Frederick Augustus I of Saxony, ruler of Duchy of Warsaw, is not included in our project. Neither are Austro-Hungarian and Prussian rulers (Kings and Queens of Galicia and Lodomeria, and Grand Dukes of Posen, respectively).

Going further, if one was to argue that the period of partitions makes the partition rulers important for our project, why not the partition country governments, and all the myriad articles about their economies, culture, and so on? It's a slippery slope that I think should be fixed before it gets worse.

I'd be inclined to include Frederick Augustus within our scope, but remove all the Russian rulers. Thoughts? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 21:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a judgment call. Obviously Catherine had a very large impact on Polish history. But it's unlikely that our project members will be THAT interested in the article, or if they are interested in related article, it's unlikely they'll have trouble finding it. I can see tagging it within the project but rating it as "low importance". But removing them works too.

I agree on Frederick.VolunteerMarek 22:11, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Frederick Augustus belongs more that the others. Orczar (talk) 03:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Monarchs or similar authorities should belong to the Wikiproject associated with the ruling power, not its subject territories unless there was some unique personal connection. (So, for example, I might go over to Lord Mountbatten to see if he's part of Wikiproject India.)

A more direct answer is that IMO a partition of Poland ≠ Polska. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 02:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Just to cause a bit of trouble, take a look at List of Polish monarchs (I recently redirected List of kings of Poland into it, and cleaned it up . What should the criteria for inclusion be there? Should the Waclaw's be included (IMO, Waclaw II for sure, Waclaw III maybe)? What about folks like Zbigniew (Krzywousty's brother)? Or Bezprym, this "Otto Bolesławowic" fellar, the famous "Boleslas the Forgotten" or Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor? I'm going with the usual "Poczet Krolow i Ksiazat Polskich" on this one, but it's the same sort of question.VolunteerMarek 04:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

As long as it's Poland proper, generally yes. Waclaw III's assassination left two thrones open, leading to interesting consequences. So, significant even in his premature demise. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 15:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd include them all, under pretenders. Ideally, I'd also like to see all election candidates there, too. Now, they should have a smaller box/picture or such. I'd love to see this list improved with references, too! In other news: removed Russian tsars, added FA of Sax to our project scope. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

• You might also want to ask User:Ejgreen77 for his rationale for adding those articles to all those projects back in October 2011. --illythr (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Boring images

I generated list of stubs about villages in Poland, without image in infobox on enwiki, but with image on plwiki - maybe somebody will be interested Bulwersator (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that's actually really nice. Is there way to, after reviewing the list manually, have a bot add them all in?

It is possible to create bot like this, but bot is unable to add captions Bulwersator (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Also, any way a similar list could be generated for biographies?VolunteerMarek 02:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is planned Bulwersator (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I am quite curious how such a list was generated? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Bot checked all articles on plwiki with a pl:szablon:Wieś infobox, with interwiki to enwiki article with a template:Infobox settlement - then it extracted images (using regex) and generated lists: image on plwiki, without image on enwiki, image on enwiki/nlwiki, without image on plwiki, image on plwiki, without image on nlwiki (bot checked also interwiki to nlwiki articles with a Infobox plaats in Polen template) Bulwersator (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

B-class review request (Stanisław Poniatowski (1676–1762))

I intended to write an article about king Stanisław August Poniatowski, but I scanned wrong bio in the PSB. So here you go, Poniatowski's father, an interesting figure himself (creator and major figure in familia). If anybody could scan and send me SAP's bio from PSB, I'd gladly work on it in the near future. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:33, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

B-class review request (Confederation (Poland))

This time, an article on a more general concept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 20:32, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Cheer up Kotniski

Kotniski (talk · contribs) seems to have taken a leave of absence from Misplaced Pages. I think we should show him how much we appreciate his contributions on his talk page, and urge him to come back. He is (was...) one of our most active members. Let's show him we care! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

New articles

I have recently written some articles about Communist Poland, feel free to improve them.

• 1981 strike at Piast Coal Mine in Bieruń,
• 1981 general strike in Bielsko-Biała,
• 1980 in Poland,
• 1981 in Poland,
• Stanisław Jaros.

More to come. Tymek (talk) 23:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Our interview

Has been published. Thank you for participation, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 04:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Welcoming new users and inviting them to a wikiproject

You can use {{subst:User:Piotrus/w|Poland}} to welcome new editors and invite them to our WikiProject at the same time. Change Poland for other keyword to invite them to a different project. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 21:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Krystyna Branicka

If anyone has any sources about this person?? Krystyna Branicka could not be born in the 17th century because her mother was 7 years old in 1700. raziel (talk)

Unreferenced bio with no claim of notability. I am not seeing a corresponding article on pl wiki. Prod it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 21:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Yah, I come from Bialystok and never heard of Branicki daughter. Probably she died young. Speedy deletion? raziel (talk) 17:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Prod, with notification of the creator. Let's be nice. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 18:33, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

B-class review request (Sejmik)

Anyone, please? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 20:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Merging Commonwealth history articles

The text of History of Poland (1569–1795) has been merged with the text of History of Poland in the Early Modern era (1569–1795). What remains to be done is the technical merge process, which will eliminate History of Poland (1569–1795). Orczar (talk) 17:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:HISTMERGE has a template that is useful for attracting admins. I see it was used, so this is just a note for reference to others. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 05:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

B-class review request (General sejm)

I am happy to announce the completion of another key article relating to the PLC; this time, the General sejm. A review would be appreciated. Once an article passes a B-class here I will try to get it to a GA, if not a FA (this holds true for the other B-class articles of our project). As always, assistance in passing those nominations is appreciated. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 00:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Międzybórz Sycowski (German: Neumittelwalde, until 1886 Medzibor),

German names introduced in 1938 are illegal in Poland. A standard note informing about it would be useful to apply in the 1500 articles: 1938 renaming of East Prussian placenames.Xx236 (talk) 10:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

But this one was introduced in 1886.VolunteerMarek 21:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, you are right. But eg. Gawrzyjałki says 1928 - it was rather 1938. 1938 renaming of East Prussian placenames doesn't give any example, the article is linked only from Ruciane-Nida. Xx236 (talk) 07:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Poland-related images up for deletion at commons!

I'm working through the images that are suggested to add to en.wikipedia at User:Bulwersator/Echo/Images/People, and many of them are Poland-related images without sufficient source information to determine their copyright status, and I am accordingly nominating these images for deletion at commons instead of adding them here. Of course, it would be better for everyone if they could be properly sourced! I've tried to do so, but obviously my Googling is limited by my non-existent Polish abilities. So I'll keep a running list below of some of the images I have nominated for deletion, and if anyone can find pre-1994 evidence of publication without a copyright notice, please add it so the images can be saved! Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

plwiki notified Bulwersator (talk) 21:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• File:Jan Szczepanik.jpg
• File:Ян Чохральський.jpg
• File:Tadeusz Banachiewicz.jpg
• File:Stasys Girenas 1933.jpg
• File:Rudolf.Modrzejewski.1931.jpg
• File:Maria Piłsudska.jpg

Polish civilian camps in World War II

A new article, which still needs a lot of work. My time is more limited than ever, so if somebody has some time, I would appreciate expanding the article, working on references and style. Polish civilian camps in World War II. Thanks. Tymek (talk) 00:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

B-class review request (Liberum veto)

Continuing to improve the articles on the elements of Polish Golden Liberty. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

History of Polish - the lead

The lead of the History of Polish may contain OR. I don't know about any old Silesian language influencing Polish. There was no border between very similar Polish and Czech. Modern Silesian dialect preserves partially Old Polish, even Czech. Polish evaluated and Czech language was quite recently recreated.Xx236 (talk) 13:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Dating problem

Hello, it seems to me we have a major dating problem post 1900- on Polish articles.

Let's start from the beginning; Congress Poland - As of the English Misplaced Pages, Congress Poland lasted from 1815 to 1915. As of the Polish Misplaced Pages, Congress Poland lasted from 1815 to 1918. We need the correct dating fix.

Second Polish Republic - as of the English Misplaced Pages, Second Polish Republic lasted from 1918 to 1939 As of the Polish Misplaced Pages, Second Polish Republic lasted from 1918 to 1945. We have to consider the fact, Poland did not surrender during the Second World War, Poland fought till the end, therefore it is wrong to consider the dissolution of Poland in 1939.

(Wrong Links - Second Polish Republic links to Nazi General Government (Polish-occupied lands) and Polish Government in exile, whereas the People's Republic of Poland flag-links preceding refers to Second Polish Republic)

People's Polish Republic As of the English Misplaced Pages, People's Republic of Poland lasted from 1944 to 1989 As of the Polish Misplaced Pages, the same years are presented. The problem here is, the are absolutely no Polish Nation History links to this page. The preceeding, Second Polish Republic, only directs to Polish government in exile. (Third Republic of Poland does not have country-preceeding links).

Third Polish Republic As of the English Misplaced Pages, Poland lasted from January 30, 1990 - As of the Polish Misplaced Pages, Third Polish Republic lasted from 31 grudnia 1989. The date shall be changed from the current January 30 to December 29th or 31st, as on 29th the 'Balcerowicz' plan came to effect, and the consitution renamed itself to 'Rzeczpospolita Polska'.

Please find out as much as you can about these dates, and we'll try to figure it all out and change it altogether. PantherBF3 (talk) 17:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC) Please find out as much as you can about these dates, and we'll try to figure it all out and change it altogether.

Those cases may be looked into, but there is no need to seek absolute agreement between the Polish and English Wiki, or even among the different articles in the same language. Many issues can be looked at from different angles, depending on who is writing. Think of the April Constitution of Poland of 1935. To some it was the only legally binding constitution until 1989/1990, to others it resulted from the May Coup and was therefore never legally binding. Different contributors will write different interpretations; errors and obvious impartialities need to be corrected of course. Orczar (talk) 20:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Should a map of Polish troops activity be included in the Battle in Berlin article?

See discussion here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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