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List of References

Attached below is a list of all the references which can be called with this template.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1937). Douglas A. Anderson (ed.). The Annotated Hobbit. Boston: Houghton Mifflin (published 2002). ISBN 978-0-618-13470-0.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1954a). The Fellowship of the Ring. The Lord of the Rings. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. OCLC 9552942.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1954). The Two Towers. The Lord of the Rings. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. OCLC 1042159111.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1955). The Return of the King. The Lord of the Rings. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. OCLC 519647821.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1977). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Silmarillion. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 978-0-395-25730-2.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1980). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). Unfinished Tales. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 978-0-395-29917-3.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1984). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Book of Lost Tales. Vol. 1. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-35439-0.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1984b). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Book of Lost Tales. Vol. 2. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-36614-3.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1985). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Lays of Beleriand. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-39429-5.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1986). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Shaping of Middle-earth. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 978-0-395-42501-5.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1987). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Lost Road and Other Writings. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-45519-7.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1988). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Return of the Shadow. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 978-0-395-49863-7.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1989). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Treason of Isengard. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 978-0-395-51562-4.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1990). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The War of the Ring. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-56008-X.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1992). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). Sauron Defeated. Boston, New York, & London: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-60649-7.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1993). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). Morgoth's Ring. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-68092-1.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1994). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The War of the Jewels. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-71041-3.

Tolkien, J. R. R. (1996). Christopher Tolkien (ed.). The Peoples of Middle-earth. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 978-0-395-82760-4.

Carpenter, Humphrey, ed. (2023) . The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien: Revised and Expanded Edition. New York: Harper Collins. ISBN 978-0-35-865298-4.

Carpenter, Humphrey (1977). J. R. R. Tolkien: A Biography. New York: Ballantine Books. ISBN 978-0-04-928037-3.

Please place any thoughts on changing the template to reference alternate versions for any of these books below. --CBDunkerson 01:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Listing articles that use references

Many, many thanks for all your work on this, Conrad. Further to my desire to use these templates to find all articles referencing an individual book, I have realised that I will be able to (sort of) use "What links here" to find articles referencing the books, as long as each book has its own Misplaced Pages article. Will this be workable? If not, I would like to consider having separate templates for each book. Will this require a lot of extra work? Carcharoth 08:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

No, 'What links here' would not include the books linked on the page unless the articles for those books had links to that page. I'll redesign the template so that it calls sub-templates with the actual reference text in them. Then you can check 'What links here' from those sub-templates to get all pages referencing that book. --CBDunkerson 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

More abbreviations

How about "Biography" for Carpenter's biography, "S" for Silmarillion? Carcharoth 09:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll add these if there are no objections. I actually considered both, but didn't know how common 'S' was as an abbreviation for Silmarillion and wondered if there might be objections to promoting Carpenter's biography as THE 'Biography' (though it is generally recognized as such). --CBDunkerson 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

More books

The talk page list above includes the Annotated Hobbit, which is not on the listing on the template page. Some suggestions for other books: the "Reader's Companion"; "Tolkien and the Great War", the various books including Tolkien's other works and essays (particularly 'On Fairy Stories', 'Farmer Giles', 'Smith of Wootton Major', 'Leaf by Niggle', 'The Adventures of Tom Bombadil'). Might it be best to have a standard way to reference these essays/other stories that are published in several different collections?

Also, would it be silly to have references to the books and chapters of LotR and the other books, or at least examples of the way we would like people to refer to these books/chapters if they want to? Carcharoth 09:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The Annotated Hobbit is just a version of The Hobbit with annotations and additional text. Most notably it contains the text from all different versions of The Hobbit which have been released and thus is the one book which can be referenced to cover any particular version of the story. Therefor I listed it under 'TH' / 'The Hobbit' as the standard reference.

I've got a stack of other books here which I was planning to put in this morning, but now will hold off until after the design updates. On standard referencing of sub-sections within each book... I think it would be difficult to cover all reasonable formats. Maybe we could write suggestions up on the project 'Standards' page. --CBDunkerson 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

This page takes ages to load!!

There are lots of templates on this page, but some articles may have even more templates than this! This will mean that the pages will take a long time to load (like this page) and place strain on the Wikimedia servers (I think). Is this a bad thing? Carcharoth 09:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yup. I've got an idea for re-designing it which should process faster. It's not as 'pretty' code wise, but I'm working on it now and we will see if it fixes the load time issue. --CBDunkerson 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)