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* '''Comment''': the community was invited to establish ''principles'' concerning the nature and placement of images of Muhammad. Additionally, discretionary sanctions were authorised to curb fresh outbreaks of disruption. Neither of these restrict, nor are intended to restrict, collegiale discussion about the routine replacement or updating of images. Does this answer your question? Or do you have something more specific in mind? ] <sup>]</sup> 07:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Clarification request: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Muhammad images
Initiated by Anthonyhcole (talk) at 06:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:
- Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
- Saedon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Tarc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Kww (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Qwyrxian (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Singularity42 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Johnbod (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- NeilN (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Nomoskedasticity (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Chowbok (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Veritycheck (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Statement by Anthonyhcole
Since the closure of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Muhammad images, where I was heavily involved as a party and not mentioned or sanctioned in the conclusions, and the subsequent Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Muhammad images I've edited Muhammad a few times:
and been engaged in significant constructive discussion on the talk page:
- Talk:Muhammad/Archive_26#Minor_change_in_expression
- Talk:Muhammad/Archive_26#Copy_and_paste
- Talk:Muhammad/Archive_26#Muhammad_created_Islam.3B_their_god.2C_Allah
A couple of weeks ago I attempted to begin a discussion about image curation on the sub-page Talk:Muhammad/images but dropped it when no one took it up. I was however advised by seven editors that I may not discuss that topic. This was not my reading of the arbitration conclusion.
A couple of days ago at Talk:Muhammad#Edit_request_on_15_June_2012 a new editor requested that pictures of Muhammad be removed from the article. Four editors responded:
- Mdann52: Please address your issues at Talk:Muhammad/Images
- Veritycheck: I'm sorry, unfortunately the Misplaced Pages community has decided that there is a consensus to keep pictures of Muhammad in the article. Apologies on my behalf and the other editors here who disagreed with the decision.
- Tarc: Yes, WP:NOTCENSORED is the applicable policy here. Thank you for your concern.
- Anthonyhcole: That policy, WP:NOTCENSORED, explains why Misplaced Pages doesn't have to remove those images, Huzaifah but I can't point you to a policy that says we have to include them, because there is no such policy. It is our free choice to include them or not in the article. We have a right to but no obligation. Unfortunately, Misplaced Pages's official stance toward you is that we don't care that it offends you. Even though most of the figurative depictions of the prophet (pbuh) in this article add nothing to the reader's understanding of his life, we have decided to include them, because we like to. No other valid reason. Despite the vast majority of us knowing that you'll be disaffected by them, and knowing that we can't tell you one thing that they add to the reader's understanding of the life of the prophet (pbuh), we want to, so we do, and we don't care that you're offended. That is, we don't care enough to remove these totally gratuitous images. On behalf of Misplaced Pages, I'd like to say sorry, but I can't because we're (as a community) not.
Tarc disagreed with my clarification of the situation for the new editor and threatened me with arbitration enforcement if I didn't strike or remove it at User_talk:Anthonyhcole#possible_AE_filing.
Could the committee please clarify for me whether there is a ban in place on discussing the curation of figurative depictions of Muhammad? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 06:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
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- Comment: the community was invited to establish principles concerning the nature and placement of images of Muhammad. Additionally, discretionary sanctions were authorised to curb fresh outbreaks of disruption. Neither of these restrict, nor are intended to restrict, collegiale discussion about the routine replacement or updating of images. Does this answer your question? Or do you have something more specific in mind? Roger Davies 07:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)