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	Filelakeshoe, I see no reason why these two names are included into first sentence of this articles. These are foreign names, not spoken by inhabitants of this city, not used in modern English, not official, and thus not important in any way. Furthermore, these are names used by former countries that oppressed Slovaks and I see no other reason why somebody would place these names there instead to "remind Slovaks about their former slavery". Also, in your article version, these names are first info that stick the eyes of the readers, i.e. readers would first read how name of this city is named in German and Hungarian and only after that that Bratislava "is the capital of Slovakia". I say that info that Bratislava is the capital of Slovakia is much more important than info how this city is named in some other languages. Also, if you say that these names should be there because these names where used by former countries that ruled over this city I can give you very good examples of how this issue is covered in some other articles: ] was ruled by British Empire, but first sentence of this article does not have name in ], ] was ruled by Tatars, but first sentence of this article does not have name in ], ] was ruled by Manchy dinasty, but first sentence of this article does not have name in ], etc, etc. Why Bratislava should be a different case? ] 21:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)		Filelakeshoe, I see no reason why these two names are included into first sentence of this articles. These are foreign names, not spoken by inhabitants of this city, not used in modern English, not official, and thus not important in any way. Furthermore, these are names used by former countries that oppressed Slovaks and I see no other reason why somebody would place these names there instead to "remind Slovaks about their former slavery". Also, in your article version, these names are first info that stick the eyes of the readers, i.e. readers would first read how name of this city is named in German and Hungarian and only after that that Bratislava "is the capital of Slovakia". I say that info that Bratislava is the capital of Slovakia is much more important than info how this city is named in some other languages. Also, if you say that these names should be there because these names where used by former countries that ruled over this city I can give you very good examples of how this issue is covered in some other articles: ] was ruled by British Empire, but first sentence of this article does not have name in ], ] was ruled by Tatars, but first sentence of this article does not have name in ], ] was ruled by Manchy dinasty, but first sentence of this article does not have name in ], etc, etc. Why Bratislava should be a different case? ] 21:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
			:"not spoken by inhabitants of this city"--Tell it to the minorities of the city. ] (]) 21:33, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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Presporok

Did anything change since we discussed this topic last time? I thought we agreed that Presporok is equally valid and has its place in the lead. Could you please present any counterarguments and quit the mindless revert war? Thanks wlad 15:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Only because You and Yopie are continously saying that the name Presporok was as important as Pozsony and Pressburg were in the city's history, it is not enough on wikipedia. First of all, You should prove this. --Nmate (talk) 19:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Szt Gyorgy

Please see http://www.archive.org/details/ethnographiedero01czoe pp. 44. The name was used for the Szentgyorgymezo part of Esztergom (not Sturovo, I apologize). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wladthemlat (talk • contribs) 08:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Add link

{{editprotected}} Please change Čunovo Water Sports Centre in the Sport section to read Čunovo Water Sports Centre. It now has its own article (in the article name, Čunovo comes last). -- HowardMorland (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Linked as requested. -- Hoary (talk) 14:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Opening paragraph

The debate, which should have been about facts and Misplaced Pages's policies drifted yet again into pointless nationalistic and historic rants. The bottom line is that there is no widespread usage of Pozsony in today's English so using this name in the opening paragraph is simply against the rules and against the consensus reached by people who contributed to the article substantially and upgraded this article into the featured status. Pressburg is also not widely used in English, but at least the historical significance gives the suggestion of including it in the opening paragraph some merit. The fact that Pozsony is used in a few books in English as the historic name can only prove that the name deserves to be in the Names section.--86.44.152.107 (talk) 16:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. Due to the renaming in 1919 old maps documents, contemporary sources and texts mention the city under a different, former official name, mentioning the historical names simply aid our readers identify the city formerly unknown under it's current name. As google search shows the former official name Pozsony and Pressburg are used all over the internet and helping the readers in this way costs us nothing really it is without a downside. I agree that all contributors of the article should be thanked for their work. It is interesting that you brought up the FA process, I don't know what consensus can you, a new user possibly refer to as this was almost two years ago. However would you call any such discussions neutral where one openly declares anti-Hungarian prejudice ? Did you abandon your suggestion of increasing the usage of "the city" or "it" in the article? Hobartimus (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

"OK, I apologize for the strong reaction, but still, I have mild prejudice against some, but not all Hungarian users. " this is in your opinion "openly declaring anti-Hungarian prejudice". What a waste of time reading your submissions. However I´m glad that, at least for now, article names section is in neutral state - as it should be. --EllsworthSK (talk) 23:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

An edit came up on my review screen which I initially approved, with the intention of correcting the wording. When starting the revision, I saw the note about this topic (which wasn't on the review screen). After a little research, I find Pozsony is a valid name for Bratislava, listed in both sources I checked, including the OED. The wording that Pozsony is an earlier, alternative name seems reasonable.

Regards, --UnicornTapestry (talk) 11:54, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Climate is Cfb not continental

The climate fullfils the Oceanic climate -criteria and is not cold enough in winter (at least a 24-hr mean of -3 Celsius in one month) to be humid continental. And precipitation is well spread over the year, as seen here. Orcaborealis (talk) 16:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

You refer to Köppen classification which the article does not claim to use (it also depends on whether you use the 0 or -3 Celsius threshold so it's moot anyway). The climate is widely referred to as continental in various local sources and popular use which is apparently reflected here. Anyways, planning some workout on the climate section...some time. Martin Gazdík (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

As for threshold, using +0°C is used to some extent by US climatologist, rarely outside the US. As for climate classification, I do not think that using the feelings of cityweb editor is the best attitude for Misplaced Pages. Nor I think the editor made enough effort to verify his conclusions with the latest scientific knowledge. Bratislava was originally estimated to belong to the continental climate, using then-available data. This can be still seen on some charts available at Misplaced Pages. Even more, perhaps local people feel more comfortable with “continental climate” classification because of landlockedness of their country. Both of these facts could result in statements claiming Bratislava climate as "continental." But it lacks sufficient scientific ground. Climatologic scientists from Austria and Germany recently tried to update the original Köppen map with improved data. The result was published in trustworthy scientific magazine and it puts Bratislava and its surrounding (but not entire Slovakia) climate clearly into oceanic climate. See the reference in the article. Perhaps, one more detail could be useful for this discussion: the average temperature in Central Europe is increasing (see the same resource), and Bratislava will reach the US threshold within some 5 years. This will make Bratislava climate being oceanic in all three widely used climate classification schemes. Michal @ 9:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with scientific pows but they tend to change all the time until they settle down, and to ignore contexts. "Local people" in this case comprise all types of local sources (scientific and popular) and a general consensus in kind that has formed over periods of time (with or without Köppen) the original editor draws upon and this one can attest to, so he rests the case for someone competent to decide which to prefer on Wiki for a general non-scientific description, as the scientific classification(s) have been added in the meantime too. Continental as a summary attribute is likely to be of better information value to a random visitor both for general reference and in context, e.g. relative to Vienna, which is termed borderline oceanic/continental here, or within the general Pannonian Basin (continental and increasingly so on the scale towards the east). And I do not think an encyclopedia should anticipate trends including climate trends, so this should be left out entirely as an argument. Martin Gazdík (talk) 00:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Images

See WP:MOS#Images; this article has mutliple instances of text sandwiched between images. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:42, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

A thorough WP:MOS review is needed here; I left sample edits, and I see even more. Also, portals are not external links, and see WP:MOS#ALLCAPS in citations. This article has significantly deteriorated from the version promoted three years ago, and could warrant a revisit of its featured status at FAR if issues aren't addressed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Population count

Last edits by 195.91.55.214 does not seem to be correct. Where is the information coming from? I cant find it on the internet using google. Can someone confirm the data or make sure that reverting is the correct thing to do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.167.72.156 (talk) 21:02, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

pronunciation

Shouldn't this be the English pronunciation for the English-language version of W'pedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 17:11, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Added. - filelake shoe  10:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Hungarian and German name

Filelakeshoe, I see no reason why these two names are included into first sentence of this articles. These are foreign names, not spoken by inhabitants of this city, not used in modern English, not official, and thus not important in any way. Furthermore, these are names used by former countries that oppressed Slovaks and I see no other reason why somebody would place these names there instead to "remind Slovaks about their former slavery". Also, in your article version, these names are first info that stick the eyes of the readers, i.e. readers would first read how name of this city is named in German and Hungarian and only after that that Bratislava "is the capital of Slovakia". I say that info that Bratislava is the capital of Slovakia is much more important than info how this city is named in some other languages. Also, if you say that these names should be there because these names where used by former countries that ruled over this city I can give you very good examples of how this issue is covered in some other articles: New York City was ruled by British Empire, but first sentence of this article does not have name in British English, Moscow was ruled by Tatars, but first sentence of this article does not have name in Tatar language, Bejing was ruled by Manchy dinasty, but first sentence of this article does not have name in Manchu language, etc, etc. Why Bratislava should be a different case? PANONIAN 21:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

"not spoken by inhabitants of this city"--Tell it to the minorities of the city. Fakirbakir (talk) 21:33, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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