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:::well I'm quite familiar with DID but not the current wikipedia article. That's why I'm so shocked at the current state of the article. ] (]) 13:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC) :::well I'm quite familiar with DID but not the current wikipedia article. That's why I'm so shocked at the current state of the article. ] (]) 13:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
::::Well, you're welcome to either revert now, or please feel free to edit the draft on my subpage directly if you think that's superior. The old version needed to be updated anyway, so I have no attachment to what currently exists. It's sole advantage is that it's more MOS and NPOV compliant than the mess currently on the page. Given your objections, it looks like even if we disagree in terms of facts and interpretation of sources (for instance, you might think "my" version places too much emphasis on iatrogenesis) at least we've a comparable understanding of what to base it on (i.e. the policies and guidelines). The latter point is where all my issues with Tylas originate - she has no understanding of what "neutral" means and believes her experience of DID is the "right" one. ] <small>] ] Misplaced Pages's rules:</small>]/] 14:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC) ::::Well, you're welcome to either revert now, or please feel free to edit the draft on my subpage directly if you think that's superior. The old version needed to be updated anyway, so I have no attachment to what currently exists. It's sole advantage is that it's more MOS and NPOV compliant than the mess currently on the page. Given your objections, it looks like even if we disagree in terms of facts and interpretation of sources (for instance, you might think "my" version places too much emphasis on iatrogenesis) at least we've a comparable understanding of what to base it on (i.e. the policies and guidelines). The latter point is where all my issues with Tylas originate - she has no understanding of what "neutral" means and believes her experience of DID is the "right" one. ] <small>] ] Misplaced Pages's rules:</small>]/] 14:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
{{od}}I'm not familiar enough with wikipedia procedures to revert the page i.e. what the ramifications might be - that I get blocked or something? As a former believer of the Colin Ross school, then a quick convert to an iatrogenesis model when it came to testifying in court, probably we won't disagree on that point. Unfortunately, I haven't kept up on the recent research enough to easily make statements in that article, or with the history of advocacy groups for DID. (In fact, I'm not sure what they're advocating, unless its something like the ] and ] people and their advocacy groups.) For me, it's easier to try to rewrite the article, than to work in a sandbox, although I could try it, I guess. ] (]) 15:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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Please help to establish notability of the minister from Nigeria you just posted. Just being a minister from Nigeria does not mean the subject is notable. Please review notability guidelines, and then write examples into the article with inline sourcing to external and reliable sources. Happy editing Standard2211 (talk) 20:19, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok for Daniel Ajayi-Adeniran. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Ruma Maida

Can you do the write-up on this one? Same reason as usual. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:13, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Although, keeping in mind that we considered me having an interview a while back, I could probably leave the entire write-up alone if you think this is a good week for that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
ok, will do. As for interview, how about for the issue after this? MathewTownsend (talk) 17:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
  • It's just that there isn't time to come up with questions, do the interview (your answers) and edit it for the upcoming issue. Don't you think? (Plus I'm still struggling with figuring out how to not feel bad when editing here. Even Featured content is starting to become "watched" - no mistakes. Not peaceful anymore.) MathewTownsend (talk) 00:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Hisar (city)

Hello! I saw this article about my city. It was full of wrong information, violating copyright laws by directly copying data from websites and providing information that was not useful. So, I have written it from scratch providing as much relevant information as I can along with citations. Now, the article is complete according to me and I have nominated it for good article and I want you to review it. Please let me know if there is anything missing or anything relevant or anything not following Misplaced Pages standards so that I can correct it. And if everything is correct, then please review it and approve its nomination. Thanks. Vishal14K Vishal14K 18:44, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I looked at the article and at first glance it looks very interesting and well done. However, I'm not an expert on India or articles on cites, so I'll go through the article but I can't make any promises. Looks like you did a good job thought! Best, MathewTownsend (talk) 13:05, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Question about coverage

moin Mathew, i addressed some of your points here. one side note on the diff-link i provided on education: i sent you an email as i was looking into education at the time, because i was (vaguely) aware that you also took the time to look at this program. in fact most likely went through far greater length than i did then. the mail could have been sent the same day, april 26, actually. please consider to check your mail box regarding it :), all best --Jan eissfeldt (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

thanks, Mathew. that is indeed as unusual as it is unfortunate; happened only twice over the years, as far as i know, that mails from or towards me got lost in wikipedia's very own email system. however, if you like, we can still look into the topic; july is some way down the track, so there is still time to deal with it properly, all best --Jan eissfeldt (talk) 17:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I did find your email. Let me study it and figure out what you are saying. I'm not sure what you are asking. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
okay, i re-wrote it from re-collection (i can't restore it inside wikipedia's system (or at least i don't know how)) just minutes ago. so there might be some differences but i'm glade it finally surfaced. so lets look into this issue complex together :), all best --Jan eissfeldt (talk) 18:19, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

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GA?

Hey Mathew,

There's a request for a (relatively) short notice GA review at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disability#GAN_1962_Commonwealth_Paraplegic_Games, and you poped into my head as someone as someone who can pull a good, thorough GA review out of the bag for that sort of thing. If your busy then no problem - I'll take a look at it this weekend, I just thought I'd check if you where availible first - normally I try not to review other disability articles because I feel a little close to them, Cheers Fayedizard (talk) 18:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I'm sorry to let you down. But it's a long article on a topics I know nothing about, on some sports I've never heard of, and I don't have access to any of the sources. And I've never dealt with an article with so many big tables etc. So I wouldn't be an editor that could provide an adequate GA review, I'm afraid. But thanks for thinking about me! Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk)
Thank you so much for that hour you spent editting today - much much appreciated :) I suspect that's going to make my life much easier - thank you so much! Fayedizard (talk) 15:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Talk:1919 Polish coup d'état attempt in Lithuania/GA1

Thanks, replied there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, replied there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, replied. And by all means, I have more articles at GA, feel free to check them out if you'd like to read more about Polish history :) PS. In fact, the Suwałki Agreement article that I have also GANed can be seen as the good "what happened next". --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
hey, I've been looking at that article. Will do! MathewTownsend (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Blackford County, Indiana

Thanks for reviewing Blackford County, Indiana. I will be traveling Saturday, but will have access to the internet beginning Sunday or Monday. Are you related to former Blackford County resident and former governor M. Clifford Townsend?TwoScars (talk) 17:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

No, never been to Blackford County! MathewTownsend (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing Blackford County, and I am glad it was enjoyable reading.TwoScars (talk) 02:15, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Sadler

Is now an FA, congratulations. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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Horsefield

Thanks for considering the John Horsefield for GAN. I look forward to your comments. - Sitush (talk) 23:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the comments and in particular the opening remark. My mother has promised some of his daffodils for my birthday later this year. There is only one place in Britain that appears to sell them and, living in Whitefield as I do, it will be nice to "bring them home". The only snag is, I am not remotely green-fingered & there could well be a case of narcissus murder before next spring!

Is it ok if I intersperse my replies to your comments or would you prefer then en bloc at the end of the review section? - Sitush (talk) 19:54, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Interspersing is fine (as long as its clear whose saying what)! MathewTownsend (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I've addressed those issues that I can, and raised a few queries of my own. I hope that you do not consider me to be argumentative - it is certainly not intended in that way. Thanks again. - Sitush (talk) 21:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
No. I was just about to pass the article when I got the orange message banner. I don't think any of the issues are worth arguing about or preventing a GA. Perhaps the blockquote issue bothers me the most, but probably there's no fixed rule, so ..... I'll drop it. This man and these botanists are wonderful to read about. MathewTownsend (talk) 21:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
OK, thanks very much. I will bear the unresolved comments in mind and in particular I will be checking on my use of "teetotal" vs "the teetotaler". I am really pleased that you enjoyed the content as a "story". There is quite a bunch of these people, including one or two women (particularly unusual, at that time, especially in pubs). I've recently created Category:Botanists from Lancashire because the movement was significant and more articles will follow. I like social history even though I really know nothing about botany. If I ever get to Manchester Central Library, which has been shut for a couple of years for refurbishment, then there is a chance that I may take this one to FA. - Sitush (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
yes, these people are quite remarkable. I've run across articles about people like this before. Even Charles Darwin, who had a medical education, seems to have been largely self educated and driven by the pure desire to seek knowledge and his love of nature. I remember especially his Fertilisation of Orchids. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
That's a nice article. I am amazed that there isn't one for Culpeper's Herbal, but maybe one day ... - Sitush (talk) 13:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I've just nominated Richard Buxton for GAR. Perhaps as you're already familar with the article you might consider doing the review? You could then bag a brace of Lancashire Botanists :-) Richerman (talk) 13:38, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Are you asking me, or Sitush? Sitush is the one that wrote the article that I reviewed. I don't have special expertise on the subject - I just like reading about these botanists! MathewTownsend (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
You. He wouldn't be daft enough to ask me! - Sitush (talk) 13:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, you of course Mathew - but I see you're already onto it. And don't worry about not having any expertise in botany, neither have I - or Sitush for that matter. We just like writing about botanists - oh! and, in my case, self-taught astronomers. Richerman (talk) 17:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Richard Buxton is about botany but also about the life of a labouring man in those times. A wonderful article. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
At least one person is perhaps not appreciating the situation! - Sitush (talk) 01:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Li Wangyang

Thanks for taking up the review. It's all true the points you raised, It's gone midnight here, so I'll sort out the details in the morning. Cheers, --Ohconfucius 16:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

yeah, don't worry about the time. Take the time you need. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Non-free stuff

Hi Mathew, I just saw the thread on WT:GAN. I passed Brushstrokes series a couple weeks back, do you think their is too much non-free content on that? Copyright issues didn't occur to me when I was doing the review, but it is pretty heavy on the quotes. Any thoughts? Mark Arsten (talk) 03:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

re GAN Suwałki Agreement

Thanks! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:45, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Centralized discussion

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Thanks for your congratulations

Mathew, without the efforts of yourself and all of the other editors who reviewed Doc Adams as it developed, it could never have become featured. Thank you for the well wishes, and for your role in helping the article gain FA status. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:50, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Pinkan Mambo

Hi Mathew, I've replied to your review at Talk:Pinkan Mambo/GA1. The article's been pumped up another 1500 characters. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:38, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Appreciate your efforts and will take a look. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Chataan

Hey, I hope things are good now! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the review. If you ever need anything reviewed, feel free to shout my way. :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:24, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Unionskirche

Thank you for supplying the perfect gift for the anniversary of my "blackest" period on Misplaced Pages (s. my user or talk), face fail at 1 am. I invited to improve the article, please keep it watched. Thank you for your valuable input, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:17, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Deeply apologize for adding to your "blackest" period on Misplaced Pages. I admire a great many things you do, including and especially your work for PumpkinSky. You're immensely responsible for improving the atmosphere here between editors by your wonderful attitude. Please take the GA fail as a opportunity to clarify your thoughts about what you want in the article Unionskirche, Idstein - in fact there may be more than one article on the material e.g. one on the church (building), one on the paintings, one on present day music, etc.
Also, you can learn a great deal about how to build an article for GAN by reviewing articles at Good article nominations. Doing so makes you think: "hey, what do these GA criteria mean?" Following the GA criteria enables writing a GA. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 12:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
No, you didn't, add to blackness I mean, it just seemed so fitting ;) I didn't enjoy the appearance of BWV 76 as lead DYK on 7 July 2011 at all, but now - as you hopefully saw - I proudly present it myself. Unionskirche: you are right about many things, please allow some time to act on it. (I thought I had seven days, I really did.) - I do a lot of reviewing for DYK, always trying to improve the articles. GA is too high for my language skills, - but it's my initials ;) - Did you see (on my talk) that you were already part of turning the blackness to brighter when you reviewed Noel F. Parrish? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
No, I didn't understand about the blackness (and didn't see Noel F. Parrish on your page), but I'm glad I didn't contribute to it! Without the hold, you don't have to hurry. You'll have time to think. It sounds to me that your interest may be more the paintings and the present day music than the church itself. So you could retitle (or start a new article) on the subject of you interest rather than to learn architecture etc. (If you're not interested in architecture, then learning it could be a chore.) MathewTownsend (talk) 13:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Possibly "Kirche" doesn't translate well to "church"? The "church itself" (any church) is for me the building + the history + the people + the services + the music, I will improve with that in mind, but not nominate the article for GA again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
If you want to understand the blackness, just click on the contribs of BarkingMoon: BWV 10, BWV 76, so long, - it made me close to leaving myself, but I am happy I didn't --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Could you explain more what the links to BarkingMoon mean? and why it was "blackness"? I think you can write the article any way you want. It's only if it comes up for review e.g. GAN or FAC that questions of organization, compliance with MoS standards etc. arise. Many editors write for their own pleasure and not to collect rewards! MathewTownsend (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Explain: it's on my user, but I summarize: he promoted the two cantatas to lead DYK, and after the latter one left Misplaced Pages, just follow the links. His talk tells you a lot, I take care of it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for not understanding. BarkingMoon promoted the two cantatas to lead DYK, but then he asks to be blocked? Why did he ask to be blocked? MathewTownsend (talk) 15:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
You follow his (!) link on "So long", please, and/or browse the talk page from the beginning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

well, I did follow a bunch of links and ended up on a page where the last comment made to BarkingMoon was by an admin who is now banned forever, User:Will Beback. I can't say I understand what's going on there. Why doesn't BarkingMoon ask to be unblocked? MathewTownsend (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Next day, after church (the other one): easy answer, but not too helpful: I don't know. Or, as the one you mentioned above (and "forever" meens 6 months) said: "We'll never know the true story". Trying to unfold a bit: I was a happy content editor, not caring about the background of WP, until Rlevse became a victim of WP:Great Dismal Swamp in November 2010. I couldn't believe it, posted against it, but then shrugged and returned to content. When BarkingMoon appeared in May 2011, enough people thought he was a sockpuppet of Rlevse to make him leave. (You know what SPI means?) - This time I did what I could to fight it. It took a while but was rather successful. Now he could return. But I would not be surprised if he never looked back here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
ps: we miss more than that one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
ps: what you saw on User:Rlevse until 22 June 2012 was that the page had been deleted, - not even a history, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Sejny Uprising at GAN

Since you are already familiar with the historical context, you may be interested in reviewing this article, I think it will be the last one from that time-period and region for now (although I am still reviewing various Poland-related B-class articles, seeing which merit GA-class review). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

ok, will do. All the fighting over Sejny is still perplexing to me! MathewTownsend (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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Invitation to WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force

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re:Doreen

I think addressed all your issues for Hurricane Doreen (1977). YE 17:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

ok, I'll get on it. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about my mistake here and for edit conflicting you. Feel free to pass now. YE 18:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
no big deal! I've already passed it and just need to finish the bookwork! MathewTownsend (talk) 18:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Pont du Gard

Hi Mathew, I'm afraid it's going to be a couple of days before I can give you a substantive response to your GA review of Pont du Gard, but I'll pick it up shortly. Thanks very much for your assistance and patience! Prioryman (talk) 22:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

That's ok. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:30, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Solomon Islander and Tongan Olympic GANs

They are ready for another look over. Thanks for reviewing them! --Starstriker7 17:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Barbados Olympic GAN

I have prepped the article for GA based on your concerns. Let me know if anything else comes up, and I'd like to thank you for reviewing the article. --Starstriker7 06:19, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

It has passed! Good work! MathewTownsend (talk) 20:19, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help at Fu (poetry)!

Thanks Mr. Townsend for your input and reviewing over at fu (poetry). What do you think the article needs next to shoot for a Featured nomination?  White Whirlwind  咨  20:13, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on Featured articles. Let me see if I can find an editor that may be able to help you. Do you follow Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates to see the things nominators are asked to do? I'll look around for an editor interested in Chinese history and Chinese art. I'm just not knowledgeable enough in either to be of much help. MathewTownsend (talk) 20:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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DID page

If you are going to keep trying to improve the DID page, you may be interested in this activity. In an effort to be fair I'm trying to identify the edits that are worth keeping, and in the process logging what is wrong with many of the others. The best activity on the page is simply noting new sources and good blocks of text to incorporate in the new version I think. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 01:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to do as you suggest. The method used on that page is difficult. Misplaced Pages is so slow that I could only get through a few of your links to "edits worth keeping" and figure out the context before I gave up. Is there some other method that could be used? MathewTownsend (talk) 12:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't really think so. One advantage I have over you (I'm assuming) is greater familiarity with the sources themselves (and I wrote much of the previous page). It's pretty easy for me to see when a source or statement is suspect because it's surprising and out of kilter with the sources I've read.
The best option would be to find any articles published in 2011 or 2012 and read them. There are a surprising number of them, and the articles (not books) are pretty good at touching on both sides. There are a bunch of full-text citations available (anything heavily cited here would probably work) but I draw your attention in particular to this, this, this, this, this, Spiegel et al. 2011 and any other 2011-12 sources if you can find it on google. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 13:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
well I'm quite familiar with DID but not the current wikipedia article. That's why I'm so shocked at the current state of the article. MathewTownsend (talk) 13:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Well, you're welcome to either revert now, or please feel free to edit the draft on my subpage directly if you think that's superior. The old version needed to be updated anyway, so I have no attachment to what currently exists. It's sole advantage is that it's more MOS and NPOV compliant than the mess currently on the page. Given your objections, it looks like even if we disagree in terms of facts and interpretation of sources (for instance, you might think "my" version places too much emphasis on iatrogenesis) at least we've a comparable understanding of what to base it on (i.e. the policies and guidelines). The latter point is where all my issues with Tylas originate - she has no understanding of what "neutral" means and believes her experience of DID is the "right" one. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 14:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not familiar enough with wikipedia procedures to revert the page i.e. what the ramifications might be - that I get blocked or something? As a former believer of the Colin Ross school, then a quick convert to an iatrogenesis model when it came to testifying in court, probably we won't disagree on that point. Unfortunately, I haven't kept up on the recent research enough to easily make statements in that article, or with the history of advocacy groups for DID. (In fact, I'm not sure what they're advocating, unless its something like the Attachment therapy and Attachment disorder people and their advocacy groups.) For me, it's easier to try to rewrite the article, than to work in a sandbox, although I could try it, I guess. MathewTownsend (talk) 15:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)