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| :While I agree with your sentiment that we should have criticism of CBT, you need to be aware that all references and edits must satisfy ] and ]. A news article is unacceptable here. As a starting point I would suggest that you read through the full-text of all the reviews used in the article to see if we are accurately reflecting the contents of the major reviews regarding the effectiveness of CBT and make sure we are not omitting any important caveats, then do a search on google scholar for other articles that look critically at the effectiveness of CBT and see if we are missing anything important (but bear in mind ] and ] - you can't just include any old criticism in the article). --] (]) 17:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC) | :While I agree with your sentiment that we should have criticism of CBT, you need to be aware that all references and edits must satisfy ] and ]. A news article is unacceptable here. As a starting point I would suggest that you read through the full-text of all the reviews used in the article to see if we are accurately reflecting the contents of the major reviews regarding the effectiveness of CBT and make sure we are not omitting any important caveats, then do a search on google scholar for other articles that look critically at the effectiveness of CBT and see if we are missing anything important (but bear in mind ] and ] - you can't just include any old criticism in the article). --] (]) 17:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
| They’re should be much more critiquing of CBT particularly the INSERM meta-analysis which is allowed to go entirely unchallenged here and I don’t see how the opinions of Oliver James can be termed 'any old criticism'??? I haven’t the time to spend researching scholarly articles but at least adding the Oliver James ( a well known psychologist, journalist, author, commentator) quote at least adds some balance. Also to state without caveat that CBT simply *is* an effective for the treatment implies that it is incontrovertibly so. This does not keep with wiki standards of impartiality. | They’re should be much more critiquing of CBT particularly the INSERM meta-analysis which is allowed to go entirely unchallenged here and I don’t see how the opinions of Oliver James can be termed 'any old criticism'??? I haven’t the time to spend researching scholarly articles but at least adding the Oliver James ( a well known psychologist, journalist, author, commentator) quote at least adds some balance. Also to state without caveat that CBT simply *is* an effective for the treatment implies that it is incontrovertibly so. This does not keep with wiki standards of impartiality. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | ||
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No limits to effectiveness of CBT?
Everything I read about CBT extols its virtues but I can find little comment here on whether it's effectiveness is limited and under what circumstances. Yet I do remember reading isolated articles to that effect in the past.
Yes, the article lists a number of psychological problems that CBT is successful with but this is a sales approach. A scientific approach would be to lay out those areas where success has been achieved (and to what degree) and those where it has not.
Is CBT less effective for some people than for others? Does success may vary according to such factors as education level, or age or gender?
The article would appear to be more balanced if such questions were granted a separate section and were at least posed, even if (in the current atmosphere of wild enthusiasm for CBT) they haven't been answered yet.
As with all Misplaced Pages articles, I admire the care and work that has already gone into preparing what is here. Thanks --174.7.29.185 (talk) 16:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Pavlov's theory was not "behaviorist"
"It was during the period 1950 to 1970 that behavioral therapy became widely utilized by researchers in the United States, the United Kingdom, and South Africa, who were inspired by the behaviorist learning theory of Ivan Pavlov, John B. Watson, and Clark L. Hull".
Pavlov's theory can by no means be labeled as behaviorist. Although Watson based his theory (Behaviorism) on Pavlov's research, Pavlov himself was not a behaviorist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.109.165.103 (talk) 05:54, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Page is incredibly biased in favour of CBT
There needs to be a lot more balance, and space for divergent opinions about and critique of for article to be considered valid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.15.150 (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- While I agree with your sentiment that we should have criticism of CBT, you need to be aware that all references and edits must satisfy WP:MEDRS and WP:WEIGHT. A news article is unacceptable here. As a starting point I would suggest that you read through the full-text of all the reviews used in the article to see if we are accurately reflecting the contents of the major reviews regarding the effectiveness of CBT and make sure we are not omitting any important caveats, then do a search on google scholar for other articles that look critically at the effectiveness of CBT and see if we are missing anything important (but bear in mind WP:WEIGHT and WP:MEDRS - you can't just include any old criticism in the article). --sciencewatcher (talk) 17:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
They’re should be much more critiquing of CBT particularly the INSERM meta-analysis which is allowed to go entirely unchallenged here and I don’t see how the opinions of Oliver James can be termed 'any old criticism'??? I haven’t the time to spend researching scholarly articles but at least adding the Oliver James ( a well known psychologist, journalist, author, commentator) quote at least adds some balance. Also to state without caveat that CBT simply *is* an effective for the treatment implies that it is incontrovertibly so. This does not keep with wiki standards of impartiality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.219.191 (talk) 23:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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