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L8r

I'm taking a little break. Don't break the wiki while I'm not watching. Drmies (talk) 03:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

• Drmies (talk)

DYK for Historicorum Romanorum reliquiae

On 29 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Historicorum Romanorum reliquiae, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Hermann Peter's Historicorum Romanorum reliquiae (1870–1914) was the authoritative edition of Roman historical fragments until it was supplanted by Martine Chassignet's L'Annalistique romaine (1996–2004)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Historicorum Romanorum reliquiae. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 08:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for L'Annalistique romaine

On 29 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article L'Annalistique romaine, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Hermann Peter's Historicorum Romanorum reliquiae (1870–1914) was the authoritative edition of Roman historical fragments until it was supplanted by Martine Chassignet's L'Annalistique romaine (1996–2004)? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 08:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Qormusata Tngri

On 29 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Qormusata Tngri, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that among the Mongolian divinities, Qormusata Tngri ranks higher than Sülde Tngri, though the latter is often identified with Gengis Khan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Qormusata Tngri. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sülde Tngri

On 29 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sülde Tngri, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that among the Mongolian divinities, Qormusata Tngri ranks higher than Sülde Tngri, though the latter is often identified with Gengis Khan? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Pets

I noticed the "tit", "boobies", and "ass" on your user page, so ..... — ChedZILLA 16:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

• Nice. Not what I was thinking, but nice still. Drmies (talk) 04:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

AfD for Georgetown University Lecture Fund

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry about this. It's getting a little heated in the AfD thread and I just decided it'd be best to bring it up on the admin board. Since you launched the AfD, I thought I'd give you a head's up on this.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Final push

The Misplaced Pages:Contributor copyright investigations/Vanished 6551232 CCI is down to its final 25 articles. If we can tackle one a day each we can get it done in a week, and two a day will get it closed by the end of the weekend. Let's see if we can get this done and cut down a bit on the CCI backlog, we've been doing great so far. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 18:29, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem; there's nothing wrong with keeping the diffs in, I just remove them to make it more clear that the article was checked. I'll close that section and check another one or two; at this rate we might be done tonight! Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:51, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

No, not tonight. It's not much fun and I'm tired. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Contributor copyright investigations/Vanished 6551232 is now complete. Thank you for your assistance in the evaluation of this CCI.

Nice to finally see another one closed. :) --Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• Come on--this is my merit badge? Looks like a spoof to me. I'm going to ask the expert if it's legit. Drmies (talk) 04:36, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Implicit learning

The user didn't write you directly after making some fixes, so I thought I'd drop you a note here. If you're on an extended break, I'll probably end up adding this to one of my lists of noms needing action for the DYK talk page. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

• BlueMoonset, I guess I'm back, some. Listen, I've looked over that article again, and I think it's best if you call on an expert--it's pretty big, and pretty technical, and it's not my field. Copyedits is the best I can do there. Drmies (talk) 03:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. I'll add it to the appropriate list at the next opportunity. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry BlueMoonset, I wish I could be more helpful. Maybe I'm tired. Drmies (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• That's fine. Thanks for doing all that you did. I've added it to my latest WT:DYK list of older articles needing attention. So far no takers, but it's early days yet (and a holiday weekend for many). BTW, any chance you'll be able to take another look at June 16's Orgastic potency article at some point? Yngvadottir seems to think it's ready for another look. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I should add that if you do want to look at Orgastic potency, you should certainly first take a look at the Talk page discussion; Bali ultimate has some strong disagreements, and has also done a few edits to the article, removing a couple of sentences and their sources, which are characterized as starting a depuff process... BlueMoonset (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Drmies, never mind. Someone just came along and "boldly" closed the Orgastic potency nomination, rejecting it for DYK. Looks like it ran out of time. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:13, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the note, BlueMoonset. I appreciate the effort you're putting in to get the more difficult articles accepted as well. Drmies (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Dutch language

Could you help out at Template:Did you know nominations/Ebru Umar, Metro (Dutch newspaper)? See User_talk:PumpkinSky#question_2 too. PumpkinSky talk 22:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

• OK, I saw that odd conversation, but is there anything that needs translating there? Drmies (talk) 02:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Not sure, just thought you may be interested. PumpkinSky talk 02:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm yes; I thought that article on Metro had already been written--I've used it as a reference in some of the Dutch media articles I've written (at least, I think I did). I'd never heard of that Turkish Dutch columnist, but then van Gogh was shot a decade after I left. My friend, though, rode by on his bicycle minutes after it happened. This happened in my old neighborhood. Drmies (talk) 03:22, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Remember these

Hi Drmies, remember this User talk:Drmies/Archive 34#Thank you!? IPs are at it again on both articles, any chance of re-protection of a month (two month for Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2012 if possible)? Olympics where good by the way, now doing Paralympic duties; but feeling sad knowing I only have 4 shifts left to do. Got my name down for Glasgow 2014 already. Hope all is well with you! Wesley Mouse 11:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• Hey, nice to see you again. Well, here's the word--I don't see enough disruption in Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2012, but I saw plenty in 2013, and of course you wanted it the other way around. You can ask at RFPP, or maybe someone who sees this may have a different opinion. Sorry. But I'm glad to hear you're doing well--take it easy, Drmies (talk) 14:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
• Does that article really need a history of the city? Aren't you putting this up for GA? Drmies (talk) 14:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you Drmies for looking into these for me, I appreciate and value your help so much. And thanks for sorting out the Dutch map on the Junior article. We went through a massive RfC on the project talk page not so long ago, and there was support for including a location map of the host city on these articles - hence why they are slowly being rolled out across the annual pages. Including them seem to have been proven helpful to the general reader, and adding insight into the host city seems to be logical too. The same format was used on Eurovision Song Contest 2012 article and help that get to GA. But personally I think the maps benefit the adult contests better than the junior ones. Although I am open to suggestions. Wesley Mouse 14:21, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• Just noticed that you also removed the flag icon for the host broadcaster from the infobox (which personally I agree with your reason for removing them). Is there a standard practice for flagicons next to a host broadcaster? Only reason I ask is because all the ESC and JESC articles have them included, and I don't think they are appropriate for the purpose they are being used. In my opinion a national flag is for a country not a national broadcaster. I could do with clearing this one up better, as it would come in handy for improving all the articles. Template:Infobox Eurovision seems to state that a flagicon is mandatory practice. Wesley Mouse 14:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• See MOS:FLAG. The AVRO doesn't represent the country, just like ITV doesn't represent the UK (but the BBC might). In general, there should be no flags in infoboxes (except for things like military conflicts), and flags in general should only be used when countries are represented (boxing in Olympics, yes--MMA fights, no; cycling in Olympics, yes--cycling in Tour de France, no). I saw that that template includes a flag icon; you can take that up with Thumperward, who's been here long enough to know better. Good luck Wesley, Drmies (talk) 17:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Diligence and Teamwork

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		You helped in so many ways on these two CCIs, I can't begin to reiterate them; and CCI work is super boring, to most users, and thankless. Well, on this occasion here's a huge THANK YOU for you. Many helped out and this was a great example of wiki teamwork, especially this last several weeks where many got together to wrap this up. PumpkinSky talk 11:26, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Inch

I suggest you try and talk civily to new editors, without reverting to calling them "silly". The comment you referred to had been removed from the article 3 hours beforehand. I can see no evidence the editor is being deliberately disruptive, it looks more like they simply do not understand the etiquette of Misplaced Pages. Maybe you should try explaining, rather than laying down the law. Sionk (talk) 17:14, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• Huh? I referred to their commentary. Whether it had been removed or not is beside the point. And now supposedly the subject wasn't even a parish anymore? I think the old sources refer to it as a parish because it was a parish--this seems indicative enough. I'm getting tired of dealing with this topic and this editor. Drmies (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Lionel Messi Page - Awards

Hello Drmies, I just wanted to notify you that someone has vandalised the Lionel Messi page. Under the awards external links at the bottom of the page (below the "Footballer of the Year of Argentina" and above the "UEFA Club Footballer of the Year" links), someone has written "Messi es muy feo y juega pesimo" but I'm not sure how to remove that from the page, so I was wondering if you could take a look at it. Thanks. Messirulez (talk) 19:28, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry Messi, but I don't see it--do you still see it? It's not in the text, you haven't removed it in your edits as far as I can see, so the only option I can think of is that it was in one of the individual templates that are transcluded in the article. I checked one of them but didn't see anything there. Drmies (talk) 19:34, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Inch, Wigtownshire

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• That's foolish. Drmies (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
  • I've declined the speedy. Please see my comments on the article talkpage. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
    • I saw them--thanks. I hope that this can be settled in a normal fashion. Drmies (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Admin help

Could somebody delete Pat dillingham as Pat Dillingham was created at the same time and are duplicates. Bgwhite (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done. {{db-a10}} could be used in the future. SmartSE (talk) 20:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Inch

Butting in, but I don't understand your position here at all. Parishes in Scotland were a type of local authority and Inch wouldn't be "part of today's Wigtown parish" as parishes were abolished in 1929 and replaced by district councils. Are you confusing its use here with Parish in the religious sense? – iridescent 20:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• "A parish in Wigtownshire until 1975. It was sometimes known as Inch and Saulseat parish. The parish of Saulseat was incorporated into Inch during the mid-seventeenth century. A medieval parish and a parish for both civil and religious purposes from the sixteenth century until 1975." From http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/index.php?action=do_search&id=890&p_name=INCH&p_type=PARISH&p_county1=Wigtownshire. Iridescent, you are free to clear this up one way or another. No one has yet said anything like this, and the text above, from what appears to be a very authoritative site, doesn't completely support it since it talks, possibly, about parishes in both senses: at the very least it supports a religious parish. Moreover, the magic year, for all the parishes similar to this one, is 1975, not 1929. But if you manage to make hay out of the article, and if you want to change content and title accordingly, please go ahead. Drmies (talk) 20:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
• Tell you what: tag, you're it. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
  • 1975 was when the district councils—which replaced the parishes—were themselves abolished; there's a summary of the parish-district-region progression on List of civil parishes in Scotland. (On a skim of the As and Bs, we have no articles specifically on a parish, so the obvious thing would be to delete the Parish article and just keep the town.)

    I assure you, if I were "it" that link would be a nice shiny shade of red; except in a very limited number of cases like Chester Castle (parish) or Liberty of Norton Folgate where there's genuine historic significance, I don't think British civil parishes nor Irish townlands have any place on Misplaced Pages other than as entries in a list. I can certainly see the need for Middlesex; I can see legitimate reasons to keep Metropolitan Borough of Holborn; I can see no reason anyone would ever have an interest in St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars with St George the Martyr, nor any reason the content there wouldn't be considerably more useful as a paragraph in the parent article, where it could be compared-and-contrasted with its fellows. (If it weren't for the inevitable swarm of "keep, it exists" ARS-ers, I'd be tempted to merge that right now if I were still active.) – iridescent 21:17, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Typing "parish Scotland" into the Misplaced Pages search function yields several articles beginning "X is a parish and a village in Scotland" or the like, but also a couple of articles saying "X is a parish in Scotland" or the like (Carnbee, Scotland and Cavers, Scottish Borders are the first two I noted). Since I know nothing about local government in Scotland this is the sum total of my contributions to this thread, beyond observing in passing that maybe we need some standarization, and again deploring Iridescent's being inactive. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. NYBrad, that inactivity might be a good occasion for an RfMC ("Moral Comment"). Should I ask Jimbo for a raise for iridescent? Well, Iridescent, I'll tell you what. I moved that article from AfC on the assumption that it was the "other" kind of parish (and it seems more than likely that formerly the two were, to some extent, the same). Since we're talking about nothing but a former administrative division, it is indeed appropriate to remove it as a separate article and to merge whatever notable content there is to Wigtownshire, where it belongs. I will do so, and place a link to this discussion and to the summary in List of civil parishes in Scotland. As before, I reserve the right to be wrong and will try to do better next time. Iridescent, given your inactivity I thank you all the more for dropping by here. You might be pleased to know that I have made a delicious dry vodka martini, and since I'm out of olives I used capers, and I'm drinking to your health *clink* right now. Drmies (talk) 23:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I've been burned by this one before, and you will too. The "everything that's an identifiable geographic location must have its own article" brigade were responsible for this actually useful article being split into pointless segments, resulting in the Waddesdon Road railway station article which so irked TCO and pals. Arguing with the provisional wing of the ARS and their fellow-travellers is never worth the effort. – iridescent 19:42, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm I hope you're wrong. I used to get along fine with them, except for maybe one recent addition to the team. Hey, you're here again--thanks for dropping by. I get burned all the time, haha--but all too often by overzealous NPPers, rarely by the squad. Drmies (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

If you have time ...

Can I ask a favor? I have been helping a new editor with a ship article, and noticed that he had started another ship article at Schuyler Otis Bland (T-AK-277) . . . and cut and paste moved it to USNS Schuyler Otis Bland (T-AK-277), then made the original into a redirect. The version at the later title has since been edited by others, and I've dropped a correct version of the "translated article" template onto its talkpage; he had attempted to add it to the talkpage of what's now the redirect. Textbook case of needing a histmerge; but I looked at the instructions, and I looked again, and I asked a friend on Skype if he could explain it to me, and he said "Get another admin to do it," and I have to agree. It's utterly beyond me :-( Could you possibly whip it into shape when you have time? No great urgency, and I apologize, but this computer stuff is hard :-( Yngvadottir (talk) 20:21, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

• OK, this really only works here because it concerns a recent, uncomplicated article. Always check first to see if there are already deleted edits (in step 2) that you need to remove after all of this.

1. Move Schuyler Otis Bland (T-AK-277) to USNS Schuyler Otis Bland (T-AK-277)--"Yes, delete the page".
2. Go to USNS etc. and restore the entire history.
3. Restore the most recent version of the "real" article.

Finally, ask LadyofShalott (talk · contribs) if you did it correctly. Lady? ;) Drmies (talk) 21:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for doing that. I think it is quite beyond my ability without someone physically standing behind me calling out instructions. I was nerving myself to try, since it needed doing, but I would probably have made a huge and expensive mess. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, I believe that what I sketched is the simple method. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit-warring report

I was just reviewing your report when I got derailed by the Miliband vandalism, but you were taken care of by ‎De728631. I particularly didn't like the combination of edit-warring and infringement. Nor did his edit summary make much sense, although your ES response was entertaining.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

• Ah, I've been involved with BLP vandalism, I think, in that article. Very exciting. Thanks for the note, Bbb--wasn't it obvious? Drmies (talk) 21:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey, teach!

Question for you, if you're willing. In American English, in this sentence:

When the flood waters hit, thousands of board feet of timber caught fire from leaking gas, and was swept downstream.

is "was" the correct form of "to be", or is "were" proper? Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• I don't think anything is correct there, except for some fire. Drmies (talk) 01:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
• And "were" is correct. Thousands of board feet is countable and plural. Drmies (talk) 01:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'll be bold. Were because the subject is thousands. Also, the second comma should go. Now I'll wait for my grade.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

No, the second comma may stay. It is neither forbidden (per pseudo-Malleus) nor mandatory (per US usage). Drmies (talk) 01:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, "were" is what I thought. Could someone please tell this editor, who changed it to "was" and then reverted me when I changed it back. (I've had several back-and-forths with him about English usage, and his certainty about his understanding is a bit less than it probably should be.) Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) What is it, one of those "pause" commas that some comma-happy writers sprinkle everywhere?--Bbb23 (talk) 01:16, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

(ec) I hadn't thought about the second comma, but now that I look at it I'd prefer to get rid of it, since it's all one continuous thought after the first comma. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• US usage pretty much dictates such commas ("introductory material before the subject"). Malleus taught me that such commas are not necessary and a matter of taste, convention. BMK, that editor commented about the commas in the article; I haven't looked at that yet but it's worth checking out. Drmies (talk) 01:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll take a look. Check this conversation, though, and the use of the strange expression "Reclamation ebonics" in this one. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:26, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• (persisting) Yeah, but we were talking about the second comma. The first comma is after the "introductory material before the subject".--Bbb23 (talk) 01:29, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oops, my apologies. But something similar applies: it's a matter of taste. Most tastes, though, dictate that it should go, I think, including mine. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The editor just reverted you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll go away now; BMK is no doubt sick of me interfering in his conversation.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:00, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

(ec) Absolutely not! Please don't go on my account! I wouldn't have noticed the second comma if it wasn't for you! Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

That editor is an idiot, then. Drmies (talk) 02:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

That's quite possible. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Similarly, in "The Lambeth Homilies are a collection of homilies", shouldn't that "are" be "is"? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• . Drmies (talk) 04:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
  • I think it either needs to be re-written in the manner of the text in Drmies' link, or it should say "is", since it's described as a collection, and the singular form is used throughout the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
    • Also . If I was inconsistent, I apologize: the plural should have it, if only because all the scholarships are British. Drmies (talk) 04:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
      • Got them. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

R.

Oh, but you're an admin, you are different from all the other simple and stupid editors. You're more, you're best on every conceivable topic and, thanks to your ideology, you have the perfect discernment on what are reliable sources or not. You should have told me earlier, you wouldn't have wasted my time. --Mauro Lanari (talk) 18:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• I learned that "personal attacks and IP trolling" in Italian is "attacchi personali e trolling da IP". Please tell me what my ideology is; my psychoanalist is a structuralist and does not agree that I have an ideology. Drmies (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

In this issue:

• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
• Research: The most recent DR data
• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 18:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

MAfestival Brugge

Latest creation MAfestival Brugge - not from de but from nl, not a language I speak - I picked some "raisins" - please have a look if I misunderstood or left things out that should be there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• Hmm I can't easily access JSTOR from home, so I'll have a look tomorrow. I don't know what the main source is for your text so I can't compare. I would, if I were you, tweak the "Mission" section, which is a bit close to whatever the original was. Brugge--it must be a lovely town. Drmies (talk) 22:47, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Deletion

Oh, but we don't have enough on theatre! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• Right. Well, I ticked it off anyway. Did you read Kwasi Boachi yet? Drmies (talk) 05:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• Haven't found it (at a reasonable price). Starting university next week, so I have a couple other things to focus on. That and the Mrs wants me to watch InuYasha with her every night (3 to 6 episodes) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• I took care of your nom for the The brothers film and left you a suggestion. Drmies (talk) 04:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Yep, saw that. Having the devil's own time looking for sources online though — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:26, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I got you started on De Stille Kracht (television series), haha. It's also a great novel. Drmies (talk) 04:39, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Here's a start, and this for background. But it's not much. Drmies (talk) 04:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• I opted for Kris Pusaka, based on the source. Drmies (talk) 04:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• I'll have a look later tonight. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Well, done one. Can't use my review of your nom for it though. That would look suspicious hehe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:04, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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For page stalkers (i.e. Mandarax)

In two weeks, WMF will be changing the edit window. Read about it here. Bgwhite (talk) 22:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Your notifications are appreciated. In this case, however, it shouldn't affect me, since I'm not a Vectorian. Good thing too, as the "edit tools" toolbar which they're removing is something which I use all the time (although what I use is an "enhanced" version; maybe they're only removing the unenhanced version). I didn't read it too closely since it's not supposed to affect me, but I think some of what they're removing is stuff I've already removed for myself.

In other news, since this is the Wikiplace to discuss Dr. Who and specifically Amy Pond, there's an upcoming DYK which may interest you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

You should probably leave the comment on the edit tools toolbar anyways, to help people like me who would hate to see it go. Ryan Vesey 23:48, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what any of you are talking about. Amy Pond is left on your toolbar? Wait--wasn't she dead? Drmies (talk) 01:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, she has nothing to do with Bond. Dr. Who? Dr. No? Dr. Blofeld? Drmies? Drmies (talk) 02:21, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The real question is: was she a Browncoat? LadyofShalott 02:29, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I always thought Lady had some River Tam in her. Bgwhite (talk) 04:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I also have no idea what anyone's talking about, including myself.

I have a tidbit which some may find shocking. Until a few weeks ago, when I learned about it on Jeopardy!, I didn't know who Dr. Blofeld was – not a clue that he had anything to do with James Bond. Drmies, I've seen you refer to Dr. Blofeld as "Ernst", and I guess I assumed this meant that you knew the user in Real Life and were calling him by his Real Name or something.

Is Dr. Mies also some famous person/character whom everyone but me knows about? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Dr. Mies was the lab assistant of John Snow, the epidemiologist who traced the source of a cholera outbreak in the Soho district of London. Mies would assist Snow in the application of ether and chloroform in Snow's primary occupation as one of the first anesthesiologists in London, but also helped him in the record keeping that was essential to tracing the locus of the 1854 Broad Street cholera outbreak. Mies' contribution is not well known, because his presence is London was, let us say, unofficial, but it's been well-known to choleraistas for some time. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Is that really true? An inquisitive random passer-by (talk 08:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

No, of course not. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Great story, and I love the dissociative interaction. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Me too! Can't sleep, clown will give me cholera (talk) 17:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Drmies. Drmies (talk) 17:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Wait: ceci n'est pas Drmies. Drmies (talk) 17:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

"The Treachery of Drmies"? Choleraista ⚇♔ 18:04, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I think you all need to read Glas. Jean 18:07.5, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather not talk about my time at the Academy... LadyofShalott 18:28, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

What, you also went to a doctor of philosophy? With a poster of Rasputin and a beard down to his knees? Drmies (talk) 18:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

There's more than one answer to these questions. LadyofShalott 16:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Signature format changing in two weeks

Another announcement for the crowd. WMF is turning on HTML5 in two weeks. This will cause the <font> tag to disappear. This may affect your signature if you do something fancy. If you need help to change to the different format, leave your name and Mandarax or I will help. Now back to my crying after Mandarax's Amy Pond statement above. Why are the Gods taking Amy away from me? Bgwhite (talk) 00:14, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• So I'm safe, with my totally pedestrian signature. Bg, I'm sorry for your loss. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Punt

• Hi, Wat moet ik zeggen, goede nacht of goede morgen. Alleen voor jouw blik review, heb ik een willekeurig punt in dit verband?. Justice007 (talk) 01:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Ja Justice, goeienavond hier--half tien. Ik heb die discussie gezien, vorige week, en ik heb naar dat Merinews gekeken. Ik vind het moeilijk: het is meer dan een website, dat wel, maar citizen journalism blijft citizen journalism, zelfs met een editorial board (die niet zo groot is, eerlijk gezegd). Een essay in Studies in Women Writers (en een in Indian Women's Short Fiction) is op zichzelf ook niet zo behulpzaam: voor WP:PROF moet je niet gepubliceerd hebben maar moet er ook over je gepubliceerd zijn. Wat betreft die AfD, ik zou zelf neutraal gebleven zijn; ik hou er niet van om schrijvers te verwijderen, maar er valt niet echt aan de consensus te tornen. Als je verder wilt, dan zul je Deletion review moeten overwegen; de administrator zal zijn mening niet meer veranderen, denk ik. Het allerbeste, Drmies (talk) 02:32, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Ik begrijp, misschien ga ik naar de verwijdering beoordeling. een mooie dag verder, en bedankt.Justice007 (talk) 08:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Ik wens je hetzelfde, Justice. Drmies (talk) 14:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
    • What does "Afd" mean in Dutch?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Manuscripts and redirects

Earlier I redirected MS something or other MS Lambeth 487 to Lambeth Homilies: is that correct, or does the MS whatever contain more than just the LH? Would it be appropriate to redirect MS Trinity 335 (B.14.52) or just MS Trinity 335 to Trinity Homilies? LadyofShalott 02:14, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Hey Lady, thanks for that; I was actually going to do that yesterday. (BTW, I'm watching Bill Clinton speak, and that's always a pleasure--it's like watching some craftsman ply his trade when he's really good at it.) Anyway, yes and no: those MSS usually contain more, though Trinity doesn't, it seems, and neither does Lambeth--but then again, both contain Poema Morale, so they both do contain more, if only a little bit. As far as I'm concerned, those redirects are appropriate. Think about it: those manuscripts are really known for those collections of homilies, not for containing the Poema. Hey, thanks for all your help--there's a lot that goes into it. I'm not even sure about the categories, the overlap between Homiletics and Sermons. Along the way I felt I had to make Exemplar (textual criticism). And I'm wondering if we shouldn't have a set of categories for Medieval prose, in the different languages (maybe User:Mike Christie is watching...). Drmies (talk) 02:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oh, I think 335 is an older numbering. The B numbering apparently is on the binding, both seem to be in use. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• And one more thing: different sources give different numbers for how many sermons, etc. Very confusing. Drmies (talk) 02:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Ha, I was wondering where those brackets came from--I've expanded Heptameter, since septenary is really just a specific kind of heptameter. Drmies (talk) 03:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

That

Maybe you can make sense of this. (Full disclosure: I don't like articles about common English words.)--Bbb23 (talk) 14:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Re added delete tag

Sorry, That the only way I know how to make delete request(Re-added delete tag), and have done clear by admin to be notable in Misplaced Pages & you have to understand my English --Sasakubo1717 (talk) 05:14, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Troubang

Thanks. Have you seen Talk:Lamane and my comments there? And I'm reminded I must fix Battle of Kansala, mentioning this and citing uses of the word 'troubang' to describe it. Dougweller (talk) 06:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• I've made a few more related edits. Somewhere along the way I removed a very reliable reference (because it verified some totally irrelevant info),

12 jaar, angst, seks

So am I getting the sources wrong, or is a naked woman taking a shower to wash blood off her par for the course for Dutch teens? Did you watch De Stille Kracht and can maybe tell me if my OR (which is not going in the article) is correct, that actually happened? Rated 12-years and up for "fear and sex". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:32, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• Okay, de Telegraaf confirms it (to be added later) although the blood is actually attacking(?) her. BTW, Pleuni Touw needs some figurative lovin' from a Dutch speaker. I'm at a brick wall — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:55, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, that DVD article says it was shocking. But par for the course, maybe--in those days TV ads for shampoo showed breasticles, at least partly, and such imagery (of secondary sexual characteristics) was not unusual or shocking in its own right. I thought Pleuni Touw was pretty hot, though I never liked her first or her last name. Gotta go to a meeting; I'll get back to this later. Hey, thanks again for putting this on the map. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
    • Well, coming from a North American background such imagery is rather shocking, especially for the 1970s (on network TV!). Snuck a peek at the scene online, and I'm surprised they didn't use a Dutch angle. That would have been really effective. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
      • Where's the peek sneaking taking place? Drmies (talk) 17:58, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
        • Found it on YouTube, as I can't pay to access a licensed website. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Alcatraz gang

This will be lead DYK tomorrow, starting at 9am US Eastern time. PumpkinSky talk 23:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• Excellent, Pumpkin! Thank you so much for picking up on that. Drmies (talk) 23:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
• I see you put Coker back--thanks for that as well. Drmies (talk) 23:20, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem and thanks! PumpkinSky talk 23:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

OOPS I goofed in reading the table, it's Sunday, 9 Sep at noon it should appear. PumpkinSky talk 10:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey Papa Bear

Getting any sleep yet? If you say yes, then we know you are dumping all the parental duties on Mrs. Drmies, btw. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I suck at lactating, that's a fact... Drmies (talk) 01:46, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Kingdom of Sine renamed

I'm trying to figure out what to do about these claims. Found this source but don't know what it says about renaming. What I do know is that it gives some odd dates, eg "Maissa Waly Dione Mané, 44 ans de règne, 1185-1229" which doesn't coincide in date or length of reign with Tamsier's article Maad a Sinig Maysa Wali Jaxateh Manneh. And of course if this is a source for the renaming of the Kingdom of Sine, that doesn't make sense either. The other source is the Saar article we both have and I don't see where page 239 (at least this time Tamsier used the real page number instead of a pdf number) backs any renaming. Comments? Dougweller (talk) 13:10, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry Doug, I'm not as knowledgeable as you here: what is wrong with the name? Drmies (talk) 01:44, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oh, I see now what you mean. I'll look at it. What I can tell you is that the article (which is fairly interesting) gives a list of kings and their history provided by a member of the royal family. The second part is commentary on that list and on a number of other lists of names compiled over the last century and more. I'll look for a naming issue there and in other places. And I've done some cleaning on Institut Fondamental d'Afrique Noire and BIFAN is now a proper redirect. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Please help

User:KWW has a personal vendetta against me. As you can see form his history that he has abused his administrative powers by giving people excessive blocks. As you can see from my edits that Much of my edits have been of good faith. User:KWW has no sense of professionalism. Please go through my edits and you will see that I have contributed with good faith, User:KWW has abused his powers. Please take this up with the Arbitraion committee and look into my case, as well as User: KWW. He is in deep violation of his powers. Personal vendetta has no place in wikipedia and especially Admin abuse/trolling.

Please, my block has been excessive, because of User:KWW. Can you help me by monitoring me and taking my case to the Arbitration committee, as well as User:KWW? Thank you (174.255.113.212 (talk) 01:00, 9 September 2012 (UTC))

Dewan357 has already been turned down by BASC.—Kww(talk) 01:17, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I have no interest in helping someone with a sock record like yours. Some of your edits may be fine, but you go about it the wrong way. Drmies (talk) 01:43, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Restoring blocked editors edits

I consider going through a list of reversions and restoring edits by a blocked editor to be a violation of WP:BAN#Bans apply to all editing, good or bad and WP:BAN#Edits by and on behalf of banned editors. Please do not restore any of his edits. It's only pointless to revert a banned editor's edits if other editors undermine the attempt by restoring the edits.—Kww(talk) 02:40, 9 September 2012 (UTC)