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Citations required

• "In particular, many opponents of the Big Bang from Halton Arp to creationists to geocentrists have referred to such observations as reason to reject the standard account of the origin and evolution of the universe."

This requires three citations, one each referring to (a) Halton Arp (b) Creationists (c) Geocentrists, each specifying that redshift quantization is their reason to reject the standard account, etc.

• "Tifft's proposals are relatively unknown even among professionals."

• "Of the small number of instances known where independent corroboration of the phenomenon has been attempted, there has been no evidence for quantization of redshifts."

This appears to be contradicted by the two studies, now mentioned in background. --Iantresman 09:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• "Current observations and models of large-scale structure models trace filamentary superclusters and voids that cause most galaxies in a rough statistical sense to have correlated positions, but such groupings do not have the characteristics suggested by Tifft and his enthusiasts."

Absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence. Again, we need a verifiable statement that directly addresses Tifft's observations.

Don't be a dick

Ian, the article is under development. Don't be a dick and remove quotes when you can tag them with the uncited point. --ScienceApologist 11:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

They weren't quotes, they were statements, and until they are verified, they are your own personal point of view. --Iantresman 13:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't remove them, as the article is still under development. --ScienceApologist 13:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Intro

SA just reverted most of the changes I had made in the intro. Why is not entirely clear, but he apparently thinks they are POV. Some examples:

• I explain what redshift quantization is about in the first paragraph and give the historical summary in the second paragraph. SA mixes them.
• I write: Since there is a correlation of distance and redshift as expressed in Hubble's Law. SA writes: Since Hubble's Law predicts redshift as an indicator of distance. Hubble's Law is simply the observation of a correlation. Predicts sounds like there something more and complicated behind it.
• I write: either of which would have serious implications for various standard cosmological models and alternative cosmological models. SA writes: Those who claim quantized redshift exist claim it to have implications for various standard cosmological models and alternative cosmological models. My formulation is less awkward and, I insist, accurate.

I think my version of the intro is better. --Art Carlson 13:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• • I think that it is important to note that this is a peculiar idea promoted by one individual for about 20 years before two catastrophists picked it up.
  • The issue is that the prediction of Hubble's Law is what most who support the claimed observations insist on. It isn't simply the correlation but it is the acceptance of the law as observational fact that riles the anti-bangers.
  • I don't think that quantization of redshift necessarily must have implications -- but this is subject to interpretation, I agree.

--ScienceApologist 13:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)