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Factocop

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Request concerning Factocop

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Mo ainm~Talk 15:19, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Factocop (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Ban Appeals Subcommittee#User:Factocop unblock conditions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 09:28, 11 September 2012 Revert, therefore a violation of "Factocop can make no actions as described in WP:Revert"

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Not required

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The edit has previously been made by Hackneyhound (talk · contribs) here (and at User talk:Hackneyhound#Hackneyhound there is a "distinct suspicion" voiced by a member of the Arbitration Committee as to Hackneyhound being a sock of Factocop). It was also made more recently (May 2012 for the last identified socking) by 147.114.44.209 (talk · contribs) here, and that IP was subsequently blocked per Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Factocop/Archive#18 May 2012 for being a known sock of Factocop. See also these additions, the entire discussion is worth looking over as well since there is no doubt the IP is Factocop. So given Factocop's socks have made this particular edit before, there can't be an argument he was unaware it was a revert since he's reverting to his preferred version. Mo ainm~Talk 15:19, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

@ Factocop, the issue isn't just "making the same edit as an IP made 18 edits ago", but that he, Factocop, was the IP referred to so he, Factocop, was obviously aware it was a revert. Mo ainm~Talk 21:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

@ Factocop, I didn't see the post you made on the talk page, I noticed a comment you made on another users talk page. But the fact of the matter is that you restored the page to a version you previously wanted as evident by your socks making the same edit.Mo ainm~Talk 09:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

So if you do not have a watcher set up for the Lough Neagh Page, how did you come across my edit?

This is in an email response from silktork:

You can make an edit of the current version of a page and manually add sourced material, and/or remove inappropriate material, and/or amend current text in a constructive manner.

If you have any doubt as to if your action may be challenged then I strongly suggest you raise the issue on the talkpage and either get support for your action, or see if there are no objections after a reasonable amount of time has passed (the amount of time would depend on the significance of the edit and the page itself, but I would say at least 24 hours).

I think I have followed these instructions. I can not do much more. I think the case here is that Mo seen my name and thought gotcha which is completely the wrong attitude to have. I have not tried to game anyone. I have simply tried to make a constructive edit, thats all.Factocop (talk) 10:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

• Question for admins Is it seriously being claimed that reverting to your own sock's preferred wording isn't a revert? Mo ainm~Talk 12:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Diff of notification about this request

Discussion concerning Factocop

Statement by Factocop

So making the same edit as an IP made 18 edits ago is a revert???? I started a discussion topic 5 days ago on WP:Lough_Neagh and outlined my proposed edit. Had Mo been concerned with the edit, he/she should of raised the issue there. Instead no response came and now he/she is trying to have my blocked again by gaming my sanction. What a waste of admin time.Factocop (talk) 19:54, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

That IP was judged to be YOU. Meanwhile, you were blocked for nearly 2 years, and just 5 days after being unblocked, you're just begging to get blocked again. How does that serve your purposes? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:17, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I have not done anything wrong. If you actually looked at my edit on the Lough Neagh talk page you would see that. And I have not made a revert. I don't see what issue you have with this. This is just Mo trying to get me blocked again. I had already warned arbcom of this gaming of my sanctions prior to my unblock. Is an edit made 4 months later and either side of 18 other edits a revert? seriously? Factocop (talk) 22:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Reverting to your sock's version is indeed a revert. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

@Mo, its not a revert so I am not in breach of any sanctions. If you were so concerned with my edit why did you not raise this at the lough neagh talkpage?Factocop (talk) 22:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

@Cailil: Just out of curiousity....Those accounts are dead. And their edits were deemed null and void and were discounted in discussions and votes because they were supposed sock accounts. So why are they discounted then but counted against me now?
And in any case why would anyone want to block a user for making constructive edits? Are we saying that I can only make edits that do not agree with previous edits and so should only make non constructive edits to avoid a block? Advice from Silktort was to leave it 24 hrs before making an edit previously proposed on the talk page to be on the safe side in this case ive left it 5 days.Factocop (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Cailals last comment. I did nit request aid from Burundi, nor is that user blocked. You say assume good faith yet no good faith was shown in me after only one single edit. I'll take note of your comment but assuming good faith is a two way street and I have yet to see you fire of a warning at Mo, though pointless now as thst user has since retired. I think this should be marked to close. It clear that I have not broken my sanctions.Factocop (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Factocop

OK, someone explain to me why changing it from United Kingdom to Northern Ireland is a bad thing, given that Carlingford Lough and Lough Foyle both say Northern Ireland. Why edit war to keep this one at United Kingdom? I note that Factocop even asked on the talkpage if anyone objected to bringing it into line with other articles, days before he made the edit. I came here ready to block Factocop myself, but appears a perfectly sound edit, should never have been changed to United Kingdom in the first place. I think this is a specious complaint. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:09, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Why is Factocop, or anyone else guilty of sockpuppetry, allowed to return an article to their own sockpuppet's preferred version? There was no compelling reason for Factocop to make this revert himself... unless he was gaming the system, to see what he could get away with. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The revert restriction is designed to prevent potential conflict with dissenting editors. Since this edit was proposed previously to no objection, and Factocop's infringement appears inadvertent, I think a teleological interpretation of the restrictions should be employed and some lenity provided. Ankh.Morpork 23:28, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not "inadvertent". He reverted to his own sockpuppet's version. He's gaming the system. And if you fall for it, he's gaming you as well. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Maybe. But I don't have a problem in being 'gamed' if it involves editors discussing their edits 5 days before they are made and acting according to that response. I agree that it was a revert, I still think common sense should prevail.

I do note that the nature of this edit has previously been fiercely contested on the talk page, although 2009 seemed the last time it was discussed, and it is probable that the editor was aware of the significance of his change. Still, I am hesitant to advocate sanctions for ill-advised but possibly well-intentioned editing. Ankh.Morpork 23:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

He didn't "discuss it" with anyone. He posted a comment on the talk page, waited a few days, probably hoping no one would notice, and then reverted to his sockpuppet's version. If he were sincere about staying within his restrictions, he would go to some of the other recent editors directly and discuss it with them. That wouldn't do, of course, because they might say "No". Better to just do it himself, skirt his restrictions, and see if gullible sorts like yourself are willing to let him get away with it. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

obviously Mo noticed the comment on the talk page or we wouldnt be here. So the question is why did he/she wait for me to make my proposed edit before doing anything about it? probably to try this stunt. Misplaced Pages should be about making content better, not getting user blocked to keep your own preferred content as Mo has employed here.Factocop (talk) 08:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

@Bugs, I was actually ready to block him - I still believe Hackneyhound and Gravyring were his socks, and the IP is definitely him. But then I spotted the note, and the fact that other articles use the formulation he was adding. So what is the problem with the edit that it keeps being contested here, but not on the other two articles? Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea. Maybe it should be reverted. But not by Factocop. Put it this way: I myself am under an arbcom restriction. I have no problem staying within the restriction. If I can, anyone can - unless they are deliberately trying to erode the restriction. There was no compelling reason for him to change that item, except to try to chip away at his restriction. If he were honest and sincere, he could ask someone else about it. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes thats correct Bugs, I only wanted access to Wiki again to flaunt my restrictions. Dont be so daft! The majority of editors are here to improve articles. My edit improved the article. I posted on the talk page of which I am sure has a number of involved 'watchers'. I left it 5 days before making the edit. What more can I do? Should I go to every user watching the page and force them to join the discussion? No, that just isnt possible. Mo was obviously watching the page and chose not to join the discussion, and still hasnt passed comment at the page. So please be more reasonable. Factocop (talk) 09:09, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Your being in denial about your socking is what you call reasonable? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 11:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Since I have been unblocked I have not denied anything regarding my past. And to my knowledge this is not an SPI case so whats your point? Jumping on the bandwagon and trying to get me blocked for going about things in the correct mannner is hardly reasonable. Factocop (talk) 13:18, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, then you're admitting that it was your own sockpuppet you reverted to. Very good. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:47, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

thanks bugsy for your constructive input.Factocop (talk) 22:51, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

That was a typo, now fixed. But as you continue to deny sockpuppetry, you're in no position to be demanding "assume good faith" from other users. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:07, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I would of expected a grace period before being accused of breaking my sanctions. Not after 1 single edit, so I apologise if my back is up but I didnt appreciate being hounded so soon after a 2 year block. I'm sure you would feel the same in my position.Factocop (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

If you're talking to me... No, I wouldn't "feel the same", because unlike you, I don't do sockpuppetry. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 12:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Well if your ever falsely indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry, you would probably set up alternate accounts aswell. Ohh well, not going to give you anymore of my precious time.

Move this to close. Factocop (talk) 13:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't. Unlike you, I do have some integrity. Move to keep it open until Factocop explicitly owns up to violating the rules against sockpuppetry. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 19:31, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Difficult to grasp but this isn't an SPI case, this is to determine whether I have broken my sanctions. Guess what? I haven't. Move to close. And Bugsy please refrain from personal attacks.Factocop (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

You reverted to your sockpuppet's version. That indicates a lack of integrity. And it also indicates why you shouldn't be allowed to edit. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:36, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

There is a path of honor for you, though. You could go to the blocking admin and/or to your most trusted admin, and tell them what your IP address is and let them verify it. Then you'll demonstrate integrity. If you're unwilling to do that, then you're guilty as charged and should not be allowed to edit. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

huh???? Blocking admin? But I'm not blocked. And what am I charged with? The only thing you have highlighted is your incivility. Please refrain from further personal attacks.Factocop (talk) 22:03, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

You're funny. Must be that Irish sense of humor. You made an edit under your IP while you were blocked, and it was reverted. And as soon as they unblocked you, you reinstated that edit. If that's integrity, then I'm the King of Sweden. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

re_instated what edit? ohh do you mean the edit i had announced 5 days before in the talkpage, outlining my rationale. no objection came so i made the edit. do you mean that edit? ok you got me. guilty as charged. Factocop (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

When or if you decide to demonstrate some good faith and stop jerking everybody around, be sure and place a notice on your user page. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't see what any of your comments have to do with this case and whether I have broken my sanctions? Please refrain from personal attacks. Factocop (talk) 08:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I think take everything Baseball_bugs says with a pinch of salt. It seems that Bugsy has a habit of disruptive editing on arbitration/ANI pages. see here ].Factocop (talk) 12:28, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Statement by Jon C.

Hardly a revert, is it? Whose actions has Factocop undone? — Jon C. 15:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

According to this, if the editor's edit summary is on the mark, (and this indicates it was), Factocop was putting it back to where a sock of his own had put it, some 4 months ago. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Beyond My Ken

• The solution here seems quite easy. If the change made by Factocop was, as Elen saya it was, an improvement, then some other editor not under any applicable restriction should take on the WP:BURDEN of that edit. Then Factocop should be sanctioned, to whatever degree the examining admins think is appropriate, for clearly breaking his restrictions and making a revert. (It is what it is.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:25, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment by SilkTork

• It is not a revert under the terms of Factocop's conditions. It was an edit. It was made after Factocop initiated a discussion on the talkpage and waited a reasonable length of time for a response. He has complied with the terms imposed on him. He is, as is any other Misplaced Pages editor, allowed to "amend current text in a constructive manner". There is now a discussion taking place on Talk:Lough Neagh which is how it should be, and how it should have been in the first place. I'm a little disappointed that nobody responded to a discussion for over five days, but the edit is reverted within 31 minutes. Problems arise when people revert rather than discuss. It is not in the spirit of Misplaced Pages that anyone is sanctioned for initiating a discussion on an edit, waiting for five days for a response, and then actioning the edit because nobody has objected. That can never be the wrong thing to do. It is also noteworthy that Factocop has not reverted back, but is discussing the edit on the talkpage. This is exactly the sort of behaviour we want from all editors. My only comment to Factocop would be in future to ensure that discussions are started in new sections rather than tagged onto existing discussions. That makes them clearer and easier to see. SilkTork 09:34, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Regarding previous edits made by Factocop. I'm not sure what difference it makes if Factocop is making a constructive edit after raising a discussion on that edit if the edit is based on material he had previously placed in the article and was then removed, even if it was by a alternative account or an IP account. The point of the conditions is not to prevent Factocop from editing, or tying him up so that if anyone removes material he adds that he can never again use that material in that article. The aim is to stop edit warring, and to encourage discussion to take place. It can never be edit warring if someone pauses to seek consensus for an edit, and enters into discussion. The essence of an edit war is someone reverting without thinking or without listening to alternative viewpoints or without putting forward reasonable rationale for an edit. The aim of the conditions is to encourage the pause, the reflection, the discussion and the listening.
  • Regarding other behaviour by Factocop that is causing concern. Factocop's conditions are on Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Ban Appeals Subcommittee. Other than that he is to be regarded as any other editor who is subject to the policies and guidelines of Misplaced Pages, and also to assumptions of good faith. If there is reasonable concern about disruptive editing then those concerns can be raised through the usual channels - while there isn't a fast path to sanctions, nor is there any special protection.
  • When unblocking someone with previous poor conduct there is a risk that the user will return to poor behaviour; however, there is also the chance that the account will be productive. While the user is mainly responsible for ensuring they regain the community's trust, they can be assisted by the community assuming good faith and granting them a little space. Having said that, it would be worth offering a little word of advice to Factocop to concentrate on editing rather than editors, to move on to other matters if there is no progress in getting consensus, and to work on building up trust rather than returning to articles where there has been some history of conflict. SilkTork 20:17, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment by The C of E

• I don't think that there was anything wrong with that. Stating what he intended to do on the talk page and waiting for any objections for 5 days before carrying it out seems perfectly reasonable to me and doesn't seem like a use of a revert to me. I think the unreasonable thing came from the fact that the edit was just reverted without engaging in a discussion on the talk page that was opened in anticipation for any objections that failed to arise. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 14:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Irrelevant comments by banned editor removed.

Is this true? If so, that's got to be a boomerang-and-a-half. — Jon C. 22:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Result concerning Factocop

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

• Ok wrt to SilkTork's point that this is not a revert per se - this is a real can of worms. If the IP (that Baseball bugs points out) is Factocop (and Elen indicates that it "definitely" is) then Factocop's edit is an effective revert to text that his block evading sockpuppet added. I'd like some clarity from Elen and SilkTork on this. That said I don't see Factocop's action as explicitly breaching the letter of his ban and thus a sanction would be far too harsh, given as Elen and SilkTork outline that Factocop went about this edit the right way only to be hot button reverted himself.
  The most I'd suggest is issuing two warnings:
  1) Factocop is cautioned to avoid restoring edits made by his sockpuppets (disclosed/discovered or not).
  2) Other parties are reminded that reverting without cause is itself disruptive and attempting to use other editor's sanctions against them in battle ground fashion may WP:Boomerang--Cailil 15:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

this section is only for the use of uninvolved sysops. Please do not post here--Cailil 17:02, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

• I'm pretty much on board with Cailil here; I don't think we can sanction over this, but if it keeps happening we can revisit it. Factocop, you really do need to make sure you're avoiding even the appearance of impropriety here, as any hints of the battleground mentality that got you blocked in the first place will lead to swift sanctions. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:36, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

• I note with some alarm a series of edits by Factocop that are beyond acceptable. This assumption of bad a faith of a user who is being harassed by a banned user, followed by this request to that banned user for aid. While I see that Elen has warned Factocop about this I feel it necessary to note this here and underline that this kind of conduct is utterly unacceptable, as it is in contravention of the core principles of this site--Cailil 15:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

• Factocop, User:Borundi 499 is a) indefinitely blocked, and b) a block evading sock puppet; all this can be seen at that account's block log. It is very unwise to take the attitude you're taking here and engage in the kind of conduct you have since your unblock. That is what is being noted.
  Furthermore what is alarming is that you seem either not to realize or not to care that the user, Mo Anim (who, although not named, was cautioned above not to game your sanctions) is subject to cyber-stalking by this banned user. You engaging with them to attempt to discover Mo Anim's previous (disclosed) accounts is thoroughly unacceptable, and demonstrates to me that you haven't let your battleground issues go (as do your other comments about Domer48). I suggest you step back and reconsider your conduct on site--Cailil 17:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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TrevelyanL85A2

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning TrevelyanL85A2

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Mathsci (talk) 21:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

TrevelyanL85A2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBR&I

Extended topic ban

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Not applicable. Arbitrators have repeatedly reminded him of his topic ban, even if he has repeatedly ignored their advice. He has banned me (and others) from his user talk page, but I have nevertheless notified him.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

TrevelyanL85A2 is topic-banned from commenting on me. He has not added any useful content to wikipedia for a long time. His sole purpose this year, judging from his edits, seems to be to act to create trouble for me in any way he can manage. He is prohibited from commenting on me and arbitrators have spelled that out to him (e.g. Newyorkbrad). The latest posting refers to two threads on WP:BLPN one of which I started today and another where I participated. From his comments in the diff above, TrevelyanL85A2 has made it clear tbat he wishes to make mischief concerning me through The Devil's Advocate. He has done so previously, communicating in private with The Devil's Advocate (as he is suggesting now). That has led to the current highly disruptive and time-wasting amendment request. In the current circumstances, with no edits to mitigate his conduct and where he is still giving the appearance of acting as a henchperson for two site-banned editors, a lengthy or possibly indefinite editing restriction seems to be the way forward. His excuses for not contributing have been lame. At the moment his editing has regressed to that of a disruption-only account, in this case acting on behalf of two site-banned buddies. The diff above is a graphic illustration of that: administrators should read the two linked threads there, one started today by me,and see who commneted there. They have nothing at all to do with TrevelyanL85A2. He is trying to evade his topic ban yet again through The Devil's Advocate in an even more evasive way than before. In this case he is trying to create havoc away from arbcom pages, where he has previously enjoyed some kind of protection while motions have been formulated. The comments on me in the diff above fall outside arbitration processes and appear to be purely malicious. If his only aim is to game the system, he should do so elsewhere (provided that he's not been banned there) without fooling around on wikipedia. Mathsci (talk) 21:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning TrevelyanL85A2

Statement by TrevelyanL85A2

I was really hoping this wouldn't become a big deal, which is why I wanted to discuss it with TDA via e-mail instead of posting about it in public, but I guess I have no other option now.

I brought this up with TDA is because it's my fault Mathsci is following him to places like WQA and the Misplaced Pages UK article. It was at my request that he posted the amendment thread about me, and now he's experiencing the consequences of that. I feel really guilty for not having warned him, because it is something I knew was a danger. It's how Mathsci tends to handle him himself in disputes, such as his dispute last year with Miradre, which resulted in (for example) following Miradre to the Groupthink, article where he made four reverts of Miradre and no other edits. But TDA was not familiar with this danger, and it's my fault he didn't know about it.

I know it probably looks like I was jumping into something that wasn't my business, but please look at the whole situation, and what I can understand about my responsibility for what's happening to TDA now. He tried to help me, and as a direct result he's experiencing something I should have warned him about but didn't. Therefore, it's my responsibility to try to help him if he wants it, and if he doesn't want it then at least to apologise. I tried to do this in a way that was as inoffensive as possible, and without mentioning Mathsci directly. If that's still a problem, please at least understand what my goal was. It was not to cause conflict, but only to do what seemed like the only kind thing I could do for TDA in this situation.--TrevelyanL85A2 (talk) 23:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

@T. Canens: Now that I understand this is a problem, I've removed my post from TDA's user talk. I would like to avoid causing conflict here, but it's difficult to know how to reconcile the restriction I'm under with the course of action that seems like basic kindness to me. I'll remember this lesson in the future. --TrevelyanL85A2 (talk) 23:29, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I have not disrupted anything. I am trying to move on with trying to edit things, but I am constantly being hounded by people and harassed, as are people who want to help me improve. I want to go and edit back to what I usually edit, without being harassed by anyone. This AE request is just another form of harassment just because I was trying to help someone. I really want people to understand this is the major issue. --TrevelyanL85A2 (talk) 23:59, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning TrevelyanL85A2

Result concerning TrevelyanL85A2

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Sigh. While I'm not sure it was a very smart move on Mathsci's own part to follow TDA to that article and take it to that noticeboard, that's really not at issue here. What I find clear is that Trevelyan had no business sticking his own nose in too, and his edit is clearly a comment on Mathsci, even if he didn't explicitly mention the name (he said "has been reported", in the passive, but of course it was plain obvious that the agent of that verb was Mathsci; also, the intention of writing an e-mail to TDA that "also relates to what happened" in the other event he mentioned could only refer to that editor, because his and TDA's presence was the only thing that linked the two events.) Given the fact that Trevelyan had lots, lots of warnings, and that he has not contributed anything to the encyclopedia for over half a year but spent an insane amount of time and energy skirting around the edges of his topic ban instead, I think a longish block is the logical consequence at this point. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Longish to indefinite, yes. I would prefer the latter. The point of the topic ban was to get Trevelyan to go work on, say, the War of 1812, not stick around any peripheries of the earlier dispute. NW (Talk) 22:42, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Future Perfect & NW. There is really no point having someone involved in this site who wont abide by policy, heed warnings or take their opportunity to engage positively elsewhere on site. I see indefinite as the only option as what ever length of time we've given TrevelyanL85A2 to adjust his conduct he hasn't done it. So until he does so he should remain blocked--Cailil 22:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Also agree with an indef block, which I'll implement in 24 hours unless another uninvolved admin vehemently disagrees. In less than 300 edits, TrevelyanL85A2 has managed to generate a ridiculously disproportionate amount of disruption. Enough is enough. (Technically, it would need to be a one-year AE block with a concurrent "normal" indef block.) T. Canens (talk) 23:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Agree with an indef. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
  • I've imposed the indef per the above comments, as I think the situation and the consensus here is quite clear, and in light of what happened at previous related threads I think there is value in discharging of this thread quickly before it attracts yet more disruption. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)