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	:I don't agree that the sources you linked to can be used to add information with BLP implications to this article. Also, please don't accuse other editors of being socks. That is not helpful to a productive discussion. ] (]) 00:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)		:I don't agree that the sources you linked to can be used to add information with BLP implications to this article. Also, please don't accuse other editors of being socks. That is not helpful to a productive discussion. ] (]) 00:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
			::Sassy, it may be that this topic (LGBT) is of particular interest to you, but I see no evidence that it plays a major role in LaRouche's belief structure or that it deserves more space in this article than it already gets. To be persuaded, I would need to see some reliable sources that say so (See ] for clarification.) Also, when complaining about editors who are editing anonymously, you would do well to remember that you are also editing anonymously.

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FWIW, "Red Letter Press" does not appear to be remotely RS. Much material was not directly borne out bey reading of the articles used. I am still concerned that "Chip Berlet: gats a huge amount of space in the article. Cheers. Collect (talk) 12:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Campaign platforms

I don't think the campaign platforms should be removed. They provide a general survey of the views that have been emphasized by both LaRouche and the numerous members of his movement that have run as candidates for other offices. Much of this article is devoted to issues that have attracted attention from various critics or supporters, but too much emphasis on these particular issues gives a somewhat unbalanced picture of what LaRouche stands for. Waalkes (talk) 23:26, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

They were primarily platforms of Larouche's direct political campaigns, and properly belong in his BLP and not in this weird melange of everything under the sun remotely connected to him which editors could find <g>. There is a huge amount of bloat and rumour in this article - it is time to get it into rational shape, IMO. If we get this down to the "improtant stuff" the article will be an order of magnitude more useful to readers. Example: See Joseph Widney now ... and back in 2008 and tell us which version of that article is more useful to actual Misplaced Pages readers. Collect (talk) 23:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Views on Homosexuality and Homophobia

I would like to start expanding this section. It is abundantly clear from a number of LaRouche's comments and articles that he views homosexuals as evil. I am wondering if it would be appropriate to cite this website http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Library.AreHomosexualsASecurityRisk since it does contain an original copy of the article in which the comments were made. The site is highly critical of the movement and the man himself, and I just want to make sure that it would not be considered biased to cite from an article which is hosted on a site which clearly has an ideological position against the group? Thesassypenguin (talk) 18:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Blogs or websites that are run anonymously are not suitable sources. Also, Misplaced Pages should not make statements characterizing living persons or their views as such-and-such -- instead, under Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, it should quote reliable sources and let them make such claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.150.23 (talk) 05:13, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

The site doesn't so much make the claim that LaRouche is anti-gay, rather hosts an article he wrote in which he openly states that Homosexuals are morally defective, untrustworthy, and proud of their "sexual deviation" that part is definitely not anonymous nor is it a statement characterizing LaRouche but his actual words on the subject. I think it may be best to see if I can locate a version of the article hosted elsewhere or a scholarly article outlining his views. Also its interesting that you would respond anonymously to this post and claim that LaRouche Planet is run anonymously when it is actually run by former members of the LaRouche movement who have left and chosen to speak out about the subject using their real names. http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.Honorrollofsanity Cheers.

Thesassypenguin (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

An anonymous website/blog with a COI. "Real names" don't add anything to its credibility. This is no reliable source for a BLP. Waalkes (talk) 19:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure that this page can be properly considered a biography of a living person. However in light of the conflict of interest POV wise, I'll be looking for a copy of the aforementioned article which is simply hosted on the website, elsewhere, either a journal or another site and using that as a source instead. Keep in mind that I am not trying to cite the views of an anonymous commentator speaking on behalf of the LaRouche Planet website but rather the views that Lyndon LaRouche himself has published concerning gays and lesbians. Thesassypenguin (talk) 21:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I'd also like to get a few other opinions about this matter from users who aren't editing anonymously, or potentially using a sock account due to being banned permanently (Waalkes, Suspected Sock), before feeling that a consensus has been reached on the subject. Thesassypenguin (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Found a copy of the aforementioned article here http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1987/eirv14n19-19870508/eirv14n19-19870508_038-british_press_asks_are_homosexua-lar.pdf please note that it is the exact same text as used by the LaRouche Planet website. The site is LaRouche's own publication Executive Intelligence Review. Hope this satisfies anyone concerned about POV, COI, or wishing to bring up other objections to mentioning LaRouche's own Anti-LGBT homophobic statements and views. I'll get to expanding the Homosexuality subsection of Minority Politics later on this week. I would be interested to hear people's take on the article prior to then. Thesassypenguin (talk) 23:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree that the sources you linked to can be used to add information with BLP implications to this article. Also, please don't accuse other editors of being socks. That is not helpful to a productive discussion. Cla68 (talk) 00:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Sassy, it may be that this topic (LGBT) is of particular interest to you, but I see no evidence that it plays a major role in LaRouche's belief structure or that it deserves more space in this article than it already gets. To be persuaded, I would need to see some reliable sources that say so (See WP:RS for clarification.) Also, when complaining about editors who are editing anonymously, you would do well to remember that you are also editing anonymously.

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