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Straw poll

Please vote for your preferred option, signing under one that's already there or adding your idea. One line per person please, and post replies in the talk section below.

Show Name (TV)

• I like this one - the shorter the better The Steve 05:46, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

Show Name (television)

Show Name (TV series)

• EuropracBHIT 05:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)-if the show concerned is a series, that is. Easier to type.
• I think TV (or television) needs to be part of the disambig for clarity. Prefer TV because its shorter. -- Netoholic 21:36, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• TV series are more common, though for one-off television programmes the convention should allow TV show.  – Lee J Haywood 22:09, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• --Rlandmann 23:24, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• "series" sits better with me than "show". For a one-time-only television feature or a television movie, perhaps simply "TV" will do. Foolip 17:06, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Show Name (television series)

• Sean Curtin 05:45, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Show Name (TV show)

• EuropracBHIT 05:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)-A good general disambiguation which is what we want here.
• Agree, if its not a series, its a show. -- Netoholic 21:36, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Show Name (television show)

Show Name (series)

• NOT THIS ONE. I'm happy with the others but not saying 'television' or 'TV' will be confusing. DJ Clayworth 14:24, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguating TV series

We have a variety of ways of disambiguating television series: Bottom (television), V (television series), Hercules (TV series), Jeremiah (series). I'd like to standardise this a bit. My preference, after discussion on Talk:Enterprise (series) is to use "series" as the disambiguator. Any objections before I go ahead and move some pages? -- sannse 21:21 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I'd prefer "TV series", since otherwise it could be interpreted as a book series, comic book series etc. --Eloquence 21:32 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

"TV series" seems the best. -- Wshun

I vote for "TV series" too. That's how IMDB does it as well ;-) -- Timwi 21:55 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Call me BBC, but I prefer "television series". Also, there are tens of series that have been both on the radio and on television (Dead Ringers, Goodness Gracious Me, Dad's Army...), how will "series" disambiguate these? CGS 22:08 22 Jun 2003 (UTC).

Well, this Yank prefers "television series" too. -- John Owens 22:42 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I agree; TV is, after all, ambiguous (though not in any sensible way in the context). However, I prefer "television series" over "TV series"; probably because I'm somewhat averse to too much slang... Oh, and, also, it involves less shift-typing, which is a Bad Thing for wrists. Umm. ;-) James F. 10:33 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I think "television" is unnecessarily long. "TV" is a pretty much universally recognised abbrev. -- Timwi 22:50 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

"TV" or "television" would be fine with me, but I think I'd prefer "television" for no really good reason. Even just plain (television) might make just as much sense (since television has more than just series - it has programs, commercials, etc., which could be disambiguated in the same way). -- Wapcaplet 01:13 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Something about this on one of the disamb or naming convention pages recently. needs to be cross-linked-- Tarquin 09:43 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

That was on Talk:Enterprise (series), I'll link there to here too.

mav said on that page (arguing for ... (series)): "We only add enough disambiguation text to distinguish one thing from another. That is why we only add the year to parens of movies when there are more than one movie with the same name. Thus we have Titanic (1997 movie) since there were more than one but we have Platoon (movie) since there was only one movie by that title. And we don't have parenthetical disambiguation at all for unique movie titles, such as You Can't Take it With You."

Which makes a lot of sense to me. -- sannse 19:13 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

"Enterprise (series)" could theoretically refer to any series of things called "Enterprise", such as the series of ships named Enterprise. -Sean Curtin 05:45, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Why add "TV" or "television" to the disambiguating text when there is only one thing by a particular name that could be a series? If there is a book, a movie and a series that all have the same name then (book), (movie) and (series) would be used as disambiguating text. There is no need for having extra information in (series) unless there were also two different types of series - such as a radio series. Then and only then does it make sense to have (television series) and (radio series). --mav 01:14 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)

In that case, I'd vote to use just plain (television) then (since "series" could itself be, at least as far as interpretation on behalf of the user goes, ambiguous; is the article about a TV, book, comic series, etc.) That way, the title itself tells us a bit more about what the article is about. -- Wapcaplet 02:04 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)

That is not what disambiguation is for. You are trying to use disambiguating text to input meta data when disambiguations only goal is to distinguish one thing from another when they share the same name. The book, movie, series example above are disambiguated by type and a TV series is not a television. --mav

Does anyone have objections to "series" strong enough to ask me not to do the change? If so I'll drop it (I don't have very strong feelings about this, I'd just like to make things a little more consistant) -- sannse 19:26 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)

"Series" is definitely ambiguous for most fiction: Could be books, TV, radio, etc. The Barchester Chronicles is all three. "Books", "TV" and "Radio" disambiguate better; don't need the word "series". Will there ever ba a need to distinguish between single and series TV programmes of the same name? I don't think so. Andy G 19:53 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I agree "Series" is too ambiguous, for brevity surely TV Series is far more suitable and also memorable for wikipedians on the go. JasonM 17:20 30 Jun 2003 (GMT)

OK, so what about a miniseries? V is both a miniseries and a TV series. So would it be "V (TV series)" and "V (miniseries)"? Eisnel 09:46, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Radio and comic books both use the term "miniseries". "Television series" (or whatever version of that you prefer) is only ambiguous if more than one television series of that title is ever produced. -Sean Curtin 05:45, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

moved from Village Pump

Current methods being used to disambig TV shows. Which is the best? Trying to get a straw poll to add a section to Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions, so feel free to add other ideas and vote -- Netoholic 05:38, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

(Straw poll moved to top)

There's already some discussion on this, almost all of it from last year, at Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (television) (which is a pretty well-hidden article, only linked to from Talk pages until now). I vote for article titles including TV only, with added qualification as necessary to distinguish different TV shows with the same name (eg by country, year...).-- Avaragado 18:10, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It seems to me that semantically, a disambiguator should be a category containing the thing it's disambiguating. Thus Foo (Bar), should mean that Foo is a kind of Bar. Thus TV show would be ok, but TV would not. Paul August 20:48, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

That point was made some time back (example: "Dallas" is not a kind of television or a piece of television-related terminology, it's a television series), and I agree with it wholeheartedly. -Sean Curtin 05:45, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)