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Turkey's neighbours

I think Maurice07 is right to place TRNC or Northern Cyprus as a southern neighbour of Turkey. Turkey recognises the TRNC and we do not have a separate article for the island of Cyprus. Without prejudice to the Republic of Cyprus's claims to represent all the island (I wonder how they represent the British "sovereign" bases BTW), the reality of the island is to have two states on it. --E4024 (talk) 11:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The reality is that no one recognizes the TRNC besides the occupying power that created it. Besides, the current version just says Cyprus, meaning the island of Cyprus, nowhere does it say the Republic of Cyprus. Mentioning a puppet state not recognized by anyone seems really weird. Or we could just mention the "Mediterranean Sea", which the only thing truly to the south. Athenean (talk) 12:48, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I think Athenean's right in that the only body directly to the south is the mediterranean. Cyprus stretches across a small fraction of Turkey's length, and is just arbitrarily close than other countries such as Lebanon. CMD (talk) 21:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Athenean : Indeed, not surprising at all for the words of a Greek citizen!! Purely personal, nationalistic and biased an approach.

"occupying power" mentioned Turkey and 
"a puppet state" mentioned Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

As I said,International community does not TRNC, but Turkey officially recognize Northern Cyprus.I agree with the opinion of E4024. We dont have a seperate article of Island of Cyprus. If it were, it necessarily used. Mentioned herein, Republic of Cyprus and it's not recognized by Turkey. As a result,it will be used neighboor of Turkey, not Greece or Syria articles !! --Maurice (talk) 10:43, 04 December 2012 (UTC)

(ignores trolling) Now that we have a consensus, I expect everyone who has signed up to it to enforce it against all the IP disruption and newly created accounts (i.e. socks/meats). Thanks. Athenean (talk) 09:12, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Location of Turkey and Armenian Highland Issue

If you check the editors, you will find out that they are the usual suspects -either Greeks or Armenians- who are vandalizing this article and reverting the correct versions back to the "Armenian Highland" random nonsense. Some decent neutral editor has to take action and bar these enemies of Turkey from making edits with hatred. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.74.189 (talk) 07:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Currently, the alleged Armenian plateau, is still within the territory of Eastern Anatolia. Part of Eastern Anatolia, an extension of the Anatolian Peninsula. Already,Anatolia were used at the location of Turkey. Armenian plateau, is not used by any official Turkish sources.Interestingly,this is an ancient geographical definition,the description of the location of the Armenia's main article unused.The purpose of this use, fully nationalist movement! --Maurice (talk) 19:57, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

"Eastern Anatolia" is the name of one of the administrative regions of Turkey. We're talking about the geographical location of Turkey. Western Turkey is the peninsula of Asia Minor (in Greek - Anatolia). East Turkey is the geographical Armenian Plateau! It is a modern international geographical term! Enough to remove the information from the source, it is vandalism! 46.162.201.212 (talk) 06:16, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

The current official name is Eastern Anatolia Region. The historical name of the area was Armenian Highland, which "de facto" became obsolete following the Battle of Manzikert in 1071. This historic geographical name has survived mostly due to Biblical texts regarding the Great Deluge and the Ark of Noah. Just like Constantinople became Istanbul, Smyrna became Izmir, Antioch became Antakya, Chalcedon became Kadıköy, etc, the current official name of the historical "Armenian Highland" is Eastern Anatolia Region. Like it or not. Vecihi Hürkuş (talk) 06:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

You're not addressing the main argument, which is that "Eastern Anatolia Region" is a (relative, obscure, and stuffy) administrative and political term, while "Armenian Highland" is an internationally-recognized geographical term that does not necessarily correspond to political control or ethnic presence. Shrigley (talk) 07:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

"Armenian Highland" may be an internationally-recognized geographical term in an alternate dimension you live in but it is not in reality. This is a desperate attempt by Greeks and Armenians, which you are supporting so you must be one or the other, to show half of Turkey as Greek and the other half as Armenian. The nationalistic values of these two races assured that their countries remain as failures throughout history. This absurd attack at the article needs to stop which will only start after you enemies of Turkey are distanced from it, you are not neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.190.212 (talk) 08:06, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Dear Turkish nationalists do not forget that in Turkey still live in small numbers, Armenians and Greeks. And to call the Armenians and Greeks "enemies of Turkey" is fascism. The term "Eastern Anatolia" (translated as "Eastern East") was introduced in the early 20th century as the name of the province in the east of modern-day Turkey. "Armenian plateau" is a geographical term used in science. Anatolia is a peninsula, which is bordered on the east with Armenian Highland. If in 1915 the Armenian population in Turkey were "disappeared" this does not mean that the term "Armenian plateau" disappeared too. Rs4815 (talk) 10:31, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

You are an Armenian therefore you entirely lack credibility. Names and terms change as the owners of the lands change, it is not only you who is entitled to changing names, and we would have to use the old names of everything and every place with your logic. Would you like to reverse names of countries too? The list would be far too long before the turn comes to Turkey and the Turkish geography. You are an enemy of Turkey and the Turks which is obvious from your post and your comments. The one-sided fabricated twisted version of history you mentioned is an obvious proof. There are two sides to every story. Armenians siding with enemy forces and attacking Turks was naturally responded to by the owners of the empire they lived in, any other nation would have given the same reaction to the enemy within. Stop acting like your grandparents were innocent and targeted for no reason, stop ignoring the initial part of the story and entirely focusing and exaggerating the outcome. The name "Armenian plateau" does not exist today, just like Armenia does not exist in that area. Turks do not attempt to call the areas they ruled for half a millenium Turkish anymore because they don't belong to them anymore. Try to face the reality and come to terms with it like decent nations as your attempts are pathetic. Try working towards good for once in your lives, only then you might accomplish something. Your pathetic attempts to add a bogus plateau to a Wiki article or spreading your propaganda online will not take you anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.100.111 (talk) 11:22, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry you're a fan of Adolf Hitler is not? Armenian Highland is the historical and the modern name of mountainous regions in the east of Turkey. Admit this fact, my friend :). By the way Turkish sources also use the terms "Ermenistan Yaylası" and "Ermenistan Platosu". Rs4815 (talk) 12:20, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

You can't accomplish jack with word games. You are far closer to Nazi mentality than anyone else on here. You always stir up where you are, then act like you are the innocent side and the victim. In history, while living in peace for centuries, Armenians broke peace while Turks were at their weakest time with ambitions of creating greater Armenia, miscalculated, became enemy of the empire they lived in, brought the war upon themselves, and suffered the consequences like any side losing any war. You attempted to massacre Turks and got massacred instead because Turks managed to respond despite fighting against multiple nations at the time. Today, you repeat the same mistake as individuals, you show up at an otherwise peaceful article, stir things up, then act like the innocent side and victim. You never change, which is why your fate never changes either. Turks prosper while your country remains in African standards. Turkey is the world's 15th largest economy, thus a member of G20, Istanbul's economy alone is larger than that of 12 EU countries, they have the second highest growth rate after China. They are an official candidate of EU membership which comes with meeting high standards including human rights. You have never accomplished anything in your lives, you have never proven yourselves, don't flatter yourself and see yourself in a position to criticize anyone. Armenia can't keep up with the poorest village in eastern Turkey, you are a banana republic. The accomplishments (and failures in your case) of a nation shows the characteristics of its people. Otherwise words are cheap. Armenians are known to be the greatest liars, cheaters, and deceivers in the areas they live. Take Glendale, California for instance. It's one of the major welfare check recipient regions in the United States and also highest in all sorts of fraud due to the high Armenian population. Those that know you Armenians know what you are made of, you can only fool clueless third parties with your lies and propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.111.150 (talk) 03:17, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

The official name is Eastern Anatolia Region. Just like Istanbul (and not Constantinople). We live in 2012 AD. Vecihi Hürkuş (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Read this —— WP:POINT, WP:Vandalism, WP:No original research, WP:Disruptive editing. You all only kept repeating "Eastern Anatolia", "Eastern Anatolia." This is your argument? "Eastern Anatolia" invented Ataturk in the 1920s. We are talking about the physical geography and geographical location of Turkey in Asia! Rs4815 (talk) 13:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I can not really understand why Armenian and Greek friends on Misplaced Pages have so much politically behaviors. I am here for years and i feel like there's a huge race of these friends about putting the words greece, greek, armenian and armenians in nearly every article. For example it is really comic to see the words armenian genocide in the pomegranate article. Best regards.Ozgurmulazimoglu (talk) 18:07, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Irredentism

The name Armenian Highland is not "factually wrong", but it is clearly obsolete (like Constantinople, Smyrna, Lemberg, Danzig, etc.) The current "official name" is Eastern Anatolia Region. Insisting on "obsolete names" (like Constantinople, Smyrna, Lemberg, Danzig, etc) amounts to irredentism, especially in the case of the "Armenian" highland (suggesting that it belongs to Armenia, or it should belong to Armenia.) 88.251.118.106 (talk) 13:37, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Read this colleague WP:No original research :) The term Armenian Plateau does not obsolete. It is a modern geographical toponym used in science. Armenian highland, one of the three plateaus of Western Asia. Asia Minor (Anatolian) plateau, the Armenian plateau and the Iranian Plateau. Anatolia is the Greek name of the peninsula of Asia Minor. "Eastern Anatolia" (Eastern East - nonsense) is the local Turkish term meaning the eastern administrative provinces of Turkey. As well as the "Aegean Region" "Black Sea Region" "Central Anatolia Region" "Marmara Region" "Mediterranean Region" "Southeastern Anatolia Region". Rs4815 (talk) 14:37, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the above IP and am very concerned that that irredentism has occupied many articles concerning Turkey. (See Elazığ for an example.) Who can explain me why we are using also the Armenian names of some cities where no Armenians live since a long time? Please do not bring again what is known, contraversial and already stated above by a passionate (WP is NOTAFORUM.). Only say if there is a real need for those names... Why do we not have the Turkish name of Yerevan in WP BTW? --E4024 (talk) 14:48, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Because the former names of the towns were Armenian and Greek. Because so many of the towns and villages in modern Turkey was founded Armenians and Greeks. Because in so many towns and villages in Turkey thousands of years (until the end of the 19th century and early 20th century), inhabited by the Armenians and Greeks. But for example in "Erzurum" despite the fact that this city was for centuries part of Armenia and the city (up to genocide) had Armenian population, the historical Armenian name is not specified in the preamble to that (in my opinion) is not correct. PS. The term is "Armenian plateau" is not irredentism. This is not only Armenian, an international geographical term. Who (though rarely) used as well in Turkish sources. Rs4815 (talk) 06:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

References

1. Elburz dağlarının güneyden gelen dağlarla birleştiği yere Ermenistan yaylası denir, Hürriyet Ansiklopedik Yıllığı, Hürriyet, Istanbul, 1974, p. 323.
2. Güneye doğru Küçük Kafkas dağları ve yüksek Ermenistan Platosu başlar. Bu plato topografik açıdan Doğu Anadolu yüksek yaylası ve İran Azerbaycanı ile birlikte bir bütün meydana getirir., Aynur Özfırat, Doğu Anadolu Yayla Kültürleri: M.Ö. II. binyıl, Arkeoloji ve Sanat Yayınları, 2001, p. 13.