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	Some POV editors are trying to turn Turkey-related articles into something of a Dreamland (Utopia) of their nationalist irredentism and do not hesitate to write "freely" as they wish, even with sources!. Look at this one: First of all, Istanbul is divided into districts and the districts into neighbourhoods ("''mahalle''" in Turkish). We do not have a district (as opposed to what this article claims) called ] in Istanbul. Yes, we may speak of a quarter (without official recognition and borders) called Pangaltı, for which someone opened an article (quite problematic at the beginning, confusing history with present day) with which I helped, assuming good faith. Secondly, this Pangaltı in today's ] district, in one of ]'s commercial centers in the "newer" part of the European city; while in this article has moved kilometers to include ] in the historical peninsula! Not that exaggerated as this one but the article also claims that the Military Museum of Istanbul has been constructed over the said cemetery when this museum is using the Ottoman Military Academy's buildings, which have been right in the same place por more than a century and a half. We (the Turkish editors of Misplaced Pages) cannot really cope alone with these irredentist entries everywhere in WP in relation to Turkey-related articles, some of which may seem ridiculous as they are to try to steal gastronomical heritage, or awkward as imposing an Armenian name to cities where there are no ethnic Armenians but for example a 20% of the population were Armenians, 100 years ago! With this logic, we could change (or add to) all the geographical names in the former Ottoman Empire era (and beyond), as you may see the long list at the ]. However, we don't do it. Not even in cities founded by the Turks in the Balkans (and all with "new" names) nowadays. I think trying to contribute positively, in good faith and with goodwill to this project should not be(come) so difficult, neither for those like me who are trying to make WP reflect better the reality, nor for those who wish to impose their nationalist and irredentist POV. Thanks for comments and help from "neutral", "impartial" and especially "objective" Wikipedians.		Some POV editors are trying to turn Turkey-related articles into something of a Dreamland (Utopia) of their nationalist irredentism and do not hesitate to write "freely" as they wish, even with sources!. Look at this one: First of all, Istanbul is divided into districts and the districts into neighbourhoods ("''mahalle''" in Turkish). We do not have a district (as opposed to what this article claims) called ] in Istanbul. Yes, we may speak of a quarter (without official recognition and borders) called Pangaltı, for which someone opened an article (quite problematic at the beginning, confusing history with present day) with which I helped, assuming good faith. Secondly, this Pangaltı in today's ] district, in one of ]'s commercial centers in the "newer" part of the European city; while in this article has moved kilometers to include ] in the historical peninsula! Not that exaggerated as this one but the article also claims that the Military Museum of Istanbul has been constructed over the said cemetery when this museum is using the Ottoman Military Academy's buildings, which have been right in the same place por more than a century and a half. We (the Turkish editors of Misplaced Pages) cannot really cope alone with these irredentist entries everywhere in WP in relation to Turkey-related articles, some of which may seem ridiculous as they are to try to steal gastronomical heritage, or awkward as imposing an Armenian name to cities where there are no ethnic Armenians but for example a 20% of the population were Armenians, 100 years ago! With this logic, we could change (or add to) all the geographical names in the former Ottoman Empire era (and beyond), as you may see the long list at the ]. However, we don't do it. Not even in cities founded by the Turks in the Balkans (and all with "new" names) nowadays. I think trying to contribute positively, in good faith and with goodwill to this project should not be(come) so difficult, neither for those like me who are trying to make WP reflect better the reality, nor for those who wish to impose their nationalist and irredentist POV. Thanks for comments and help from "neutral", "impartial" and especially "objective" Wikipedians.
			::Noone is saying Eminonu is part of Sisli or near Pangalti. Eminonu is mentioned because the tombstones of the cemetery were used to build the Eminonu Square. ] (]) 21:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Some POV editors are trying to turn Turkey-related articles into something of a Dreamland (Utopia) of their nationalist irredentism and do not hesitate to write "freely" as they wish, even with sources!. Look at this one: First of all, Istanbul is divided into districts and the districts into neighbourhoods ("mahalle" in Turkish). We do not have a district (as opposed to what this article claims) called Pangaltı in Istanbul. Yes, we may speak of a quarter (without official recognition and borders) called Pangaltı, for which someone opened an article (quite problematic at the beginning, confusing history with present day) with which I helped, assuming good faith. Secondly, this Pangaltı in today's Şişli district, in one of Istanbul's commercial centers in the "newer" part of the European city; while in this article has moved kilometers to include Eminönü in the historical peninsula! Not that exaggerated as this one but the article also claims that the Military Museum of Istanbul has been constructed over the said cemetery when this museum is using the Ottoman Military Academy's buildings, which have been right in the same place por more than a century and a half. We (the Turkish editors of Misplaced Pages) cannot really cope alone with these irredentist entries everywhere in WP in relation to Turkey-related articles, some of which may seem ridiculous as they are to try to steal gastronomical heritage, or awkward as imposing an Armenian name to cities where there are no ethnic Armenians but for example a 20% of the population were Armenians, 100 years ago! With this logic, we could change (or add to) all the geographical names in the former Ottoman Empire era (and beyond), as you may see the long list at the Turkish exonyms. However, we don't do it. Not even in cities founded by the Turks in the Balkans (and all with "new" names) nowadays. I think trying to contribute positively, in good faith and with goodwill to this project should not be(come) so difficult, neither for those like me who are trying to make WP reflect better the reality, nor for those who wish to impose their nationalist and irredentist POV. Thanks for comments and help from "neutral", "impartial" and especially "objective" Wikipedians.

Noone is saying Eminonu is part of Sisli or near Pangalti. Eminonu is mentioned because the tombstones of the cemetery were used to build the Eminonu Square. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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