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== Specific date nominations == == Specific date nominations ==

=== January 8 ===

==== Stephen Hawking ====

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''']''' (born 1942) is a British ], ], and author. His significant scientific works have been a collaboration with ] on ] in the framework of ], and the theoretical prediction that ]s emit radiation, often called ]. He was the ] at the University of Cambridge between 1979 and 2009. Subsequently, he became research director at the university's Centre for Theoretical Cosmology. He is an ] of the ], a lifetime member of the ], and a recipient of the ], the highest civilian award in the United States. Hawking has achieved success with works of ] in which he discusses his own theories and cosmology in general; his '']'' stayed on the British '']'' best-sellers list for a record-breaking 237&nbsp;weeks. Hawking has a ] related to ], a condition that has progressed over the years. He is almost entirely paralysed and communicates through a ]. {{TFAFULL|Stephen Hawking}}</div></div>

{{A note}} Whichever delegate is scheduling for January 8 should check ] for the latest state of play about discussions concerning article content/quality. ]] 19:03, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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* Widely covered physicist on his 70th birthday, 6 points or more --] (]) 10:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
**71st birthday, not 70th (1); vital article (4); no scientists in 6 months (2); total '''<s>7 points</s>''' '''''8 points''' (see below)''.]] 10:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the corrections, I should stay away from math ;) --] (]) 11:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks good! A quick skim of the article shows no major changes since the version featured back in September. ] (]) 11:00, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' The article has ''citation needed'' tags, has information in the introduction not mentioned below, and could use some copyediting. ] (]) 13:14, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

*'''Support''': The cn tags are all in one sentence, placed on separate clauses by a user with a contribs history that shows an obvious POV to push- an put there only a week after the article was promoted; apparently the lead editors haven't gone back and cleaned them up. This is an extremely minor nitpick. The TFA is appropriate, and any minor copyediting can and undoubtably will be completed prior to the main page appearance ]<sup>]</sup> 21:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
::Good faith should indicate that an established user, who says that an assertion is not in the cited source, is familiar with that source. Good faith should also make us reluctant to accuse established users of pushing a POV. Articles appearing on the main page should be free of such concerns. Has anyone active on the article, or this nomination, contacted the user who added the tags? ] (]) 21:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
*Hi everybody, I was the editor who took the article though GA and it's various FA stages (which I couldn't have done without the help and support of a large number of other editors) - and it is really extremely gratifying to find out that it is being considered for front-page status. Thank you so much for the nomination. For some general information, the editor who added the citation tags is an admin, and so it should probably be taken seriously. I'd really appriate it if a senior editor would have a go at straightening those sections out. I can certainly put some time into any other concerns raised - Kablammo - can you give me some examples of sections were copyediting would be particularly useful? SandyGeorgia has raised some issues on the talk page and I'm going to potter down and respond to them now. :) ] (]) 21:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
::I would be happy to, Fayedizard. I cannot today, but will post them to article talk page, or (if you wish) copyedit myself. Nudge me if you don't hear from me soon. Regards, ] (]) 22:05, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
:::That's great - looking forward to working with you. By the way - I'm( I believe) the significant contributor to the article, and I've never had a front-page before - does that mean we get another point? (I'll be honest, I'm a bit out of my deapth with the process...) ] (]) 22:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
:::: Normally, the easy answer would be yes, but there was just a change to the instructions about the nominator point that is still Greek To Me, so I asked for clarification on talk. With 7 points, you won't likely need any more :) ] (]) 22:42, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
::::: The easy answer is still yes. You can claim the point, but no-one can claim it on your behalf - that's not changed. '''8 points'''. ]] 13:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''': Saw Hawking at the Paralympic Games in London. Wonderful idea to put him on the front page. Well done Fayedizard and everyone who brought the article to this point. ] (]) 03:50, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''', high quality article, educational and encyclopedic. Also, SCIENCE! &mdash; ''']''' (]) 18:01, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''', definitely. And we really haven't had any scientists for six months? Make that definitely, times two. ]&nbsp;<sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 05:33, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. I participated in the GA and FA efforts so I know the quality of the writing. Recent activity at the article is moving to clean up some niggling worries about the speech synthesizer. I am fully confident the article will be in masterful condition very shortly, in time for TFA. ] (]) 05:54, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I believe I can without exaggeration say that the whole of ] are very pleased with this nomination and congratulate ] for the excellent leadership in getting the article to this point. (So this is the first scientist in six months, but when last was someone with a disability featured?) ] (]) 07:59, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. - Per "notes". ] <sup>(]|])</sup> 08:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
*Note - article is currently tagged with {{tl|Cleanup-list}}). ]] 18:52, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' Tag added today over something far more minor than the overkill of a tag. Seems like making a mountain out of a molehill if any passing disgruntled editor can derail a TFA nom with something like this. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
::*Please see article talk page: ]'s and ]'s comment on the same matter. Plus SandyGeorgia has listed other problems. and concluded "If the substantive issues here aren't addressed within a few months, this article is on my FAR list." ] (]) 23:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
::::And yet it is indeed a Featured Article, and will be for the period including TFA, even if Sandy or someone else takes it to FAR. I, for one, do not think the article is so poorly written that it should be stripped of its FA status. Nonetheless, I appreciate the views of those who think it needs a total rewrite, and I commend any such critics who step up to the task. There is no rule that says an FA must remain unchanged. ] (]) 00:23, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Um, the banner is (I think) relating to a conversation on the talk about (I think) moving some of the lists. The list structure as it is now is the one that it passed FA with. I'm honestly completely confused and would appreciate some more eyes on the matter. :s ] (]) 00:43, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::'''Comment''': I think that some of the parties involved there are creating unneeded drama, and that should have some bearing on this matter; that's all I have to say. Still support TFA, and the list thing probably just needs one list moved down with the others. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::: On the drama; hear, hear! Best way to avoid that is to comment on content, not editors. ] (]) 20:16, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' earlier in the week I rang Hawking's press officer to a) let the team there know this was happening, b) give the team time check that there were no objections to the frontpaging from any of the family c) given them time to look over the article for any inaccuracies and omissions. I rang back today and was (slightly shortly) told there were no problems from their end. I don't think this should necessarily be taken as a ringing testimonial - "no problems" could be anywhere from 'I've taken a quick look and we don't see anything obviously libelous' to 'we've had one of Hawking's colleges check the science', via 'we simple don't care about what you guys on wikipedia do'. I'm noting it here because I was a little nervous of for throwing BLPs at the front page without notifying them first, I'm interested to know if this is standard practice. ] (]) 14:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
'''Strong oppose''' The article as it stands does not represent our best work. See the detailed discussion on the talk page about several fairly serious problems with the article. --] (]) 19:23, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

'''Oppose''' per John. ] (]) 19:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I agree with many of the concerns brought up at the talk page. In addition to (relatively minor) prose and MoS issues, I think the coverage is too thin and the article does not meet FA criteria 1b ("comprehensive"). ] (]) 19:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Absolutely. Totally deserves to be on the main page ] (]) 19:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
**Why?--] (]) 09:45, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. FAC inflationists have been complaining that the article isn't comprehensive enough, but I would contend that most of our featured bios these days are much too long and tedious. 50K used to be considered quite lengthy. Ah the good old days! ] (]) 00:16, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
**Would it be long and tedious to explain why this famous scientist is famous? At the moment the article doesn't really do that. --] (]) 09:45, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
** People familiar with FAC don't tend to measure quality or comprehensiveness in terms of KB, but FWIW, the article passed FAC with a mere 2,700 words of prose (shocking for a bio of a person of this caliber); it is now at 3,400 words, which by ]. The article does not yet address why this man is so famous, and we don't measure comprehensiveness of an article based on OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. By the way, who are these "FAC inflationists"? I've always complained about articles that are too long, which is pretty much anything above 7,000 words; is Kaldari opposing those on this page? ] (]) 20:15, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

* '''Update''', the article is slowly being written using the numerous biographies available, with significant inaccuracies, prose infelicities, lack of comprehensiveness, misrepresentation of sources, and a BLP vio found so far. the talk page lists many issues that remain to be addressed, and the article does not yet meet FA standards for prose, comprehensiveness, or survey of high quality sources. are rewriting (I've pretty much done only MOS cleanup and prose redundancy reduction); Brianboulton offered to copyedit later, but text is still being corrected and added. The citation needed tags (still being addressed) had been in place since September, and the original editor has been mostly absent since the article was promoted. An article about a popular figure like Hawking really should be watched. Because the article is now being written, it will eventually need a ] to make sure standards are met. ] (]) 20:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Regretful oppose''' for now. Although we really need to get science articles on the main page rather than the pop culture that's been appearing there lately, this article is not good enough to be featured. The article gives way too much weight to his early life and personal life, and does not go into nearly enough detail on his scientific accomplishments, which is arguably the most important section. This is not to mention the incredibly ugly "in popular culture" section, which, frankly, does not deserve its own section. Simply, the necessary content on his discoveries is not here, and the article gives undue weight to minor curiosities, such as the Thorne-Hawking bet. However, I am almost inclined to support this due to the fact that it is a science article, and we need ''many'' more of those on the main page, rather than this popculture-cruft, and that the FA standards are often impossible for technical science articles to meet. ] (] • ]) 00:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

* I am not in favor of the notion of running two bios back-to-back, and Nixon follows this with considerable support. Further, this article cannot be brought to anywhere close to FA standards by January 8. ] (]) 18:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
::Your standards are high, but we still have 10 days until then. Two, three, and even four bios in a row have been scheduled in the past, for example: in September 5-7, 14-16, in October 12-13, 23-26, in November 4-5, 11-12, in December 1-2, 13-14, 24-25

*'''Regretful oppose''' for now per StringTheory11. And per my comment . More time is needed to work on the article, which (despite the FAC and despite the excellent work done to bring it to the level it reached) is not yet as comprehensive or detailed as it should be. ] (]) 00:07, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


===January 10=== ===January 10===

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Here the community can nominate articles to be selected as "Today's featured article" (TFA) on the main page. The TFA section aims to highlight the range of articles that have "featured article" status, from Art and architecture through to Warfare, and wherever possible it tries to avoid similar topics appearing too close together without good reason. Requests are not the only factor in scheduling the TFA (see Choosing Today's Featured Article); the final decision rests with the TFA coordinators: Wehwalt, Dank, Gog the Mild and SchroCat, who also select TFAs for dates where no suggestions are put forward. Please confine requests to this page, and remember that community endorsement on this page does not necessarily mean the article will appear on the requested date.

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Currently accepting requests from February 1 to March 3.

Date Article Points Notes Supports Opposes
Nonspecific 1 Cracker Barrel 3 underrepresented; no similar within 6 months 1 0
Nonspecific 2
January 8 Stephen Hawking 8 birthday, vital article, no scientists for 6 months, 1st TFA for author 11 4
January 10 Metropolitan Railway 5 150th anniversary of opening, nom's first TFA 9 0
January 14 Adelaide leak 1 80th anniversary, 1yr FA, similar subject within one month 5 0
January 15 Hobey Baker 1 Date relevant to article topic 3 1
January 18 Over There (Fringe) 2 Date relevant to article topic 1 1
January 26 Douglas MacArthur 3 Birthday, vital article, recent US military biography 2 2

Tally may not be up to date; please do not use these tallies for removing a nomination according to criteria 1 or 3 above unless you have verified the numbers. The nominator is included in the number of supporters.

Nonspecific date nominations

Nonspecific date 1

A Cracker Barrel in Morrisville, NC

Cracker Barrel Old Country Store, Inc. is an American chain of combined restaurant and gift stores with a Southern country theme. The company was founded by Dan Evins in 1969; its first store was in Lebanon, Tennessee, which remains the company headquarters. As of 2012, the chain operates 620 stores in 42 states. Its menu is based on traditional Southern cuisine, with appearance and decor designed to resemble an old-fashioned general store. Cracker Barrel is known for its partnerships with country music artists, and has received attention for its charitable activities, such as its assistance of victims of Hurricane Katrina and injured war veterans. During the 1990s, the company was the subject of controversy for its official stance against gay and lesbian employees and for discriminatory practices against African American and female employees. Following an agreement with the US Department of Justice and the implementation of non-discrimination policies, the company has focused on improving minority representation and civic involvement. Company shareholders added sexual orientation to the company's non-discrimination policy in 2002.(Full article...)

Nonspecific date 2

Specific date nominations

January 10

Metropolitan Railway

A steam locomotive and carriage in a tunnel The Metropolitan Railway opened the world's first underground line on 10 January 1863, connecting the mainline railway termini at Paddington, Euston and King's Cross to London's financial heart in the City using gas-lit wooden carriages hauled by steam locomotives. The railway was soon extended and completed the Inner Circle in 1884, but the most important route became the line to Verney Junction in Buckinghamshire, more than 50 miles (80 kilometres) from London. Electric traction was introduced in 1905 and by 1907 electric multiple units operated most of the services. The Railway developed land for housing and after World War I promoted housing estates near the railway with the "Metro-land" brand. On 1 July 1933, the Metropolitan Railway was amalgamated with the railways of the Underground Electric Railways Company of London and the capital's tramway and bus operators to form the London Passenger Transport Board. (Full article...)

On 10 January it will be the 150th anniversary of the opening of London Underground's first line by the Metropolitan Railway between Paddington and Farringdon. There are four points for the anniversary, and one point as I am a significant contributor and I have not previously had a TFA. I'm not claiming any 'similar article' points as we had Horseshoe Curve (Pennsylvania) on 13 November — although that's placed in the Geography and places section on Misplaced Pages:Featured_articles and the previous article to appear from the Transport section was Herne Hill railway station on 25 August — therefore 5 points. Edgepedia (talk) 12:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I have been concerned that that drawing has several inaccuracies and has been commonly used as an image of the Metropolitan opening when it's set a few years later. It is atmospheric, but I have problems making out details of that image (the one on the left above) at the 125px size for the Main Page — I think the train is lost. However, a tighter crop (right above) perhaps shows the details better? How do those images show on other people*s monitors? Edgepedia (talk) 21:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the enormous amount of space around the train in the drawing and as shown in the crop, that I think is down to artistic licence/marketing. How about a different crop? Edgepedia (talk) 13:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
A Metropolitan Railway electric locomotive

:I've changed the image and left the original one here in case anyone has a reason not to use the new one. Edgepedia (talk) 09:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

January 14

Adelaide leak

Bill Woodfull The Adelaide leak was the revelation to the press of a dressing-room incident during the third cricket Test match of the "Bodyline" series. During the course of play on 14 January 1933, the Australian Test captain Bill Woodfull was struck over the heart by a ball delivered by Harold Larwood. On his return to the dressing room, Woodfull was visited by the England manager Pelham Warner who enquired after Woodfull's health, but to Warner's embarrassment, the latter said he did not want to speak to him owing to England's Bodyline tactics. The matter became public knowledge when someone present leaked the exchange to the press; such leaks were practically unknown at the time. In the immediate aftermath, many people assumed Jack Fingleton, a full-time journalist, was responsible. Fingleton later wrote that Donald Bradman, Australia's star batsman, disclosed the story. Bradman always denied this, and continued to blame Fingleton. Woodfull's earlier public silence on the tactics had been interpreted as approval; the leak was significant in persuading the Australian public that Bodyline was unacceptable. (Full article...)

Two points for 80th anniversary of the incident, one point for promotion over a year ago (February 2011). However, last sports article scheduled is for 22 December, so loses two points (the last cricket article was October 13). So that makes 1 point I think. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:27, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

January 15

Hobey Baker

Hobey Baker Hobey Baker (1892–1918) was an American amateur athlete of the early twentieth century. Considered the first American star in ice hockey by the Hockey Hall of Fame, he was also an accomplished football player. Born into a prominent family from Philadelphia, he enrolled at Princeton University in 1910. Baker excelled on the university's hockey and football teams, and became a noted amateur hockey player for the St. Nicholas Club in New York City. He was a member of three national championship teams, for football in 1911 and hockey in 1912 and 1914, and helped the St. Nicholas Club win a national amateur championship in 1915. Baker graduated from Princeton in 1914 and worked for J.P. Morgan Bank until he enlisted in the United States Army Air Service. During World War I he served with the 103rd and the 13th Aero Squadrons before being promoted to captain and named commander of the 141st Aero Squadron. Baker died in December 1918 after a plane he was test-piloting crashed, hours before he was due to leave France and return to America. In 1921, Princeton named its new hockey arena the Hobey Baker Memorial Rink. The Hobey Baker Award is presented annually to the best collegiate hockey player in the United States. (Full article...)

Date relevant to article topic = 1 point. Similar article not showed in over 6 months. (The similar article is the Hockey Hall of Fame) = 2 points.--Lucky102 (talk) 21:18, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Please add to the summary chart at the top of the page; this doesn't show in TOC. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:14, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Support Nice to see a hockey article Canuck 05:29, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
  • 1 point at most as sports biographies are sports biographies, and TFAR does not sub-divide similarity by sport (and certainly not by whether or not sportsmen are in a hall of fame). I note also that a sports article is nominated for 14th January and that, if Kenneth Walker runs on 5th January, Baker would be the third US airman killed in battle to appear within 6 weeks. Blurb expanded to proper length, years of birth and death added, full names cut. Bencherlite 11:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose: Article seems suitable for TFA, but we seem to be pretty sports-heavy, particularly if Adelaide Leak runs the previous day. Maybe next month? Montanabw 22:46, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
  • It would be sub-optimal to run two sports articles back-to-back, and one is proposed for the 14th; why is this article not proposed in one of the non-date-specific slots, to give the delegates some leeway on choice of date? Those slots are empty. Also, point tally would be negative when we substract for similar articles (14th, and airmen). Also, there are four biographies on the page now, back-to-back sports, and three airmen killed in battle in a little over a month; delegates will have to overlook something that has community support to maintain mainpage diversity. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

January 18

Over There (Fringe)

Anna Torv "Over There" is the two-part second-season finale of the Fox science fiction drama series Fringe. Both parts were written by Academy Award-winning screenwriter Akiva Goldsman, together with showrunners Jeff Pinkner and J. H. Wyman. Goldsman also served as director. Fringe's premise is based on the idea of two parallel universes, our own and the Other Side, each of which contains historical idiosyncrasies. The two universes began to clash in 1985, after Dr. Walter Bishop (John Noble) stole the parallel universe version of his son, Peter, following his own son's death. The finale's narrative recounts what happens when Peter (Joshua Jackson) is taken back to the Other Side by his real father, dubbed "Walternate" (Noble). FBI agent Olivia Dunham (Anna Torv, pictured) and Walter lead a team of former Cortexiphan test subjects to retrieve him, after discovering that Peter is an unwitting part of Walternate's plans to bring about the destruction of our universe using an ancient doomsday device. Part one aired on May 13, 2010 to an estimated 5.99 million viewers, while part two broadcast a week later to 5.68 million. Both episodes received overwhelmingly positive reviews. (Full article...)

2 points -- Jan 18 will be the series finale of the American science fiction series Fringe, so I thought I'd give it a good send-off (1 pt for date relevance). This article was promoted in July 2011 (1 pt). As far as I can tell, no television episode will have appeared within a month of this date. This is the first time I've nominated an article that I've significantly contributed to, though Caroline of Ansbach ran earlier this year. Ruby 2010/2013 18:54, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Weak oppose:We just ran a South Park episode; seems like another TV series is not a priority. Nothing personal, just seems like we have something more interesting out there that has more potential points. Montanabw 20:46, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I understand your concerns. But just looking at the other potential TFAs in January (4 historical biographies, one sports incident, and this), I think this article would actually be adding some diversity. Ruby 2010/2013 21:51, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose: I have to agree with Montanabtw; I'd like to think there is a large enough variety of featured content left to make the front page without having two television episodes run within five weeks of each other. Perhaps not...--Chimino (talk) 09:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

January 26

Douglas MacArthur

MacArthur in Manila, 1945 Douglas MacArthur (1880–1964) was an American general who played a prominent role in the Pacific theater during World War II. He received the Medal of Honor, and was one of only five men to rise to the rank of General of the Army in the U.S. Army, and was the only man to become a field marshal in the Philippine Army. After graduating first in his class from West Point in 1903, he participated in the 1914 United States occupation of Veracruz and served on the Western Front during World War I, becoming the U.S. Army's youngest and most highly decorated major general. Thereafter he held a variety of posts, including Chief of Staff of the United States Army. He retired in 1937, but was recalled to active duty during World War II. After the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, he escaped with his family and staff to Australia, where he became Supreme Commander, Southwest Pacific Area. He fulfilled a famous pledge to return to the Philippines, and officially accepted Japan's surrender on 2 September 1945. He oversaw the occupation of Japan from 1945 to 1951, implementing many reforms, and led the United Nations Command in the Korean War until President Harry Truman relieved him of his commands in April 1951. (Full article...)

3 points: Vital article (4 points) + date relevance (1 point) - another article on a Medal of Honor winner (Walker on 5 January) (2 points). After MacArthur returned to the United States in 1951, his former staff and subordinates began gathering together annually at his penthouse at the Waldorf Towers in New York to celebrate his birthday. After his death, they continued to hold a reunion every year, but at varying locations, including a visit to Australia in 1974 hosted by Sir Edmund Herring. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Blurb tweaked to c.1,200 characters, feel free to tinker if you feel I've got the balance wrong. Bencherlite 20:30, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment: Haven't we had a lot of military figures recently? Birthday is an obvious date, just wondering if we have been a little heavy on military officers, particularly American ones? This isn't an oppose, just a question> Montanabw 22:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

  • There were two in December (Jesse Brown and William the Conqueror), and this will make it two in January (with Kenneth Walker). I am one of the guilty parties who writes a lot of military biographies. MacArthur is probably the best known though, and I'm sure the article will attract a great deal of interest. Hawkeye7 (talk) 17:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
    True enough about interest, and William the Conqueror is a dramatically different character; just thought there'd been a lot of 20th century military articles recently, so figured I'd raise the issue in case it was an issue. Montanabw 18:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment I would have run this on 5 April 2014 (fifty years since death) as there's more date relevance, but I've got no objection to this nom either. Sceptre 23:50, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Support MacArthur is quite well known and accomplished a great many things, so there are a number of dates that this would work for. I would be fine with this running on the date suggested. I copyedited the blurb a bit. NW (Talk) 06:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The article has always been too hagiographic. Too often it gives Big Mac the podium with long quotes that are not his most famous. (1. "By profession I am a soldier..." 2. "My strategic conception for the Pacific Theater..." 3. "The Japanese people since the war..." 4. "For five hours I toured the front..." 5. "I am closing my 52 years..." 6. "The shadows are lengthening...") Only the fifth quote should be present, and it should be trimmed down to the most famous bit: "...I now close my military career and just fade away, an old soldier who tried to do his duty as God gave him the light to see that duty." I'm surprised that the biography does not include one of his more famous quotes about the "misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear." That one seems to me more applicable to modern times than rah-rah sentiments about the "hordes of death" and "the battalions of life". In general, Wikiquote is where the lengthy quotes should be taken, not here. The bare statement in Misplaced Pages's voice, "a later generation would rediscover his philosophy of war, and see it as far-sighted", is just too much, as there is nothing like consensus on Mac's controversial legacy. The word "relief" repeatedly used for him getting fired by Truman is a powder puff replacement for the club Truman used. At the same time, the "Legacy" section does not emphasize quite enough how much respect is given MacArthur today for his guidance over occupied Japan. Binksternet (talk) 01:38, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
    • The word "relief" is technically correct; we went over this ground repeatedly with the dismissal article. It is not true though, that Truman personally relieved him. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:47, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Binksternet. I see a lot of unresolved discussion on the article talk page from months ago which could if pursued resolve the issues with this article. I don't feel right meantime in promoting this as our best work. --John (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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