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| Some sources by Jokestress read like political proclamations rather than scientific publications . The dispute is whether a certain category of ]s (by law) should be treated as insane. Franklin argues against "detention of men who have committed culturally repugnant acts with minors" on the grounds to be insane because she thinks that , whereas CAMH scientists |
Some sources by Jokestress read like political proclamations rather than scientific publications . The dispute is whether a certain category of ]s (by law) should be treated as insane. Franklin argues against "detention of men who have committed culturally repugnant acts with minors" on the grounds to be insane because she thinks that , whereas CAMH scientists believe this is not normal. So, who is really fringe? | ||
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Evidence presented by James Cantor
Current word length: 858; diff count: 94.
Evidence of Jokestress' off-wiki campaign influencing on-wiki events
- NYTimes reporting on campaign of harassment by Jokestress against J. Michael Bailey.
- Jokestress’ Bailey-related target list.
- Peer-reviewed, comprehensive analysis of campaign, by bioethicist/historian. Coverage received a Guggenheim Award.
Evidence of Jokestress' chilling effect
- Jokestress' protracted conflicts with openly trans- Wikipedian, User:Hfarmer.
- Jokestress’ updated target list, naming User:Hfarmer.
- Jokestress’ most-wanted list (including Hfarmer), asking readers "If you have received an email, attachment or photo from someone using these names or IP addresses in 2004 or earlier, please forward it to me for analysis,” so she could "vector and expose" them.
- Example of results of campaign against Hfarmer.
Evidence of Jokestress’ POV-pushing long predating Cantor
| Year | Example |
|---|---|
| 2004 | Penile plethysmograph POV Penile plethysmograph POV-pushing Autogynephilia POV Autogynephilia POV-pushing |
| 2005 | J. Michael Bailey POV J. Michael Bailey POV-pushing |
| 2006 | Simon LeVay POV Simon LeVay POV-pushing; continued anti-consensus conflicts |
| 2007 | |
| 2008 |
Homosexual transsexual POV |
(Cantor joined WP in May, 2008.)
Evidence of Jokestress’ distruptions occurring without Cantor (2008+)
- ANI Jokestress re homosexual transsexual etc.
- ANI Archive438
- ANI Crusade
- ANI Andrea James
- ANI The faith and constructiveness of an editors edits...
- COIN Jokestress
- COIN Homosexual transsexual
- RSN Guidance on pseudodymous authors
- Requests for mediation/Rejected/40#Homosexual transsexual
- Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-11-25
Evidence of Jokestress' other POV-pushing
- Adding links to her for-profit website (2004).
- Removing links to business competitors' sites (2005, 2006).
- Creating page about her business partner, Calpernia Addams (2005).
- Disrupting DYN discussion w/ uninvolved editors pushing anti-Cantor POV (2010).
- Repeated counter-consensus additions of homosexuality to List of paraphilias (2008, 2010, 2012).
Evidence of Jokestress’ suppression of disfavored topics
Evidence of Jokestress’ POV against Autogynephilia.
- Evidence of suppressed coverage of Autogynephilia:
Paraphilia Google.Scholar Hits WP page? Chremastistophilia 3 Yes Salirophilia 13 Yes Gynandromorphophilia 16 Yes Abasiophilia 21 Yes Autassassinophilia 35 Yes Agalmatophilia 64 Yes Toucherism 70 Yes Biastophilia 96 Yes Acrotomophilia 114 Yes Apotemnophilia 375 Yes Autogynephilia 394 No Algolagnia 484 Yes Hebephilia 485 Yes Coprophilia 1,150 Yes Transvestism 13,700 Yes Pedophilia 17,900 Yes
Evidence of Jokestress' anti-Cantor POV
- Every RS to trans neuroanatomy is cited, except Cantor.
- Each author of cited papers mentioned by name, except Cantor..
Rebuttal to Jokestress’ allegations of excessive self-citation
On her user subpage, Jokestress lists the 26 diffs in which I cited work from my own team. Same list, counted by year is:
Year of diff Count 2008 21 2009 1 2010 3 2011 1 2012 0 2013 0
Examples of Cantor citing authors unrelated to self/CAMH (2012 only)
For evaluating whether Cantor over-represents or Jokestress suppresses cites, these are the scholar.google results for the relevant topics:
Topic Google.Scholar Hits (2002-2013) Hits to CAMH/Dreger/Lawrence Search string Pedophilia 11,500 20% of the top 100 of those 11,500 articles (as sorted by relevance) Gender dysphoria 15,000 7% of top 100 Gender identity disorder 73,000 14% of top 100 Homosexuality 40,500 3% of top 100 Autogynephilia 393 36% of top 100
Rebuttal to Jokestress' diffs regarding On-Wiki Disputes
Jokestress' claims are largely half-truths; thus, much of this is to add the missing halves (space permitting).
- Regarding Moser:
- 129 2008 (Whether it remains relevant is up to others.)
- 130 Appropriately so.
- 131 Appropriately so.
- Cantor is blocked A half-truth. Jokestress neglects the unanimous opinion of the multiple other admins who called it inappropriate and moved to unblock. She also neglects that it was she who instigated User:JzG's block.
- 132 I believe I can stand by every word of my, quite respectful, response to JzG's warning.
- Regarding Franklin:
- 133 Untrue. My 2012 comments were a response to Franklin’s 2011 attack/accusations. The docs in 134 actually show that I fault Franklin for claiming *I* used a definition I didn't.
- 135 Such comments on talkpages for discussion are perfectly appropriate.
- 136 De-peacocking is perfectly appropriate.
- Regarding Hebephilia:
- 139 Calling it an “academic publication” doesn't turn a letter-to-the-editor into an RS.
- 140 2008
- 141142 2008
- 143 141 An IP editor calling it whitewashing doesn’t make it true. The criticisms were clearly OR.
- 145 I removed the entirely unsourced and incorrect OR claim that "hebephilia is not a recognized diagnosis..."
- 146147 I removed the entirely unsourced legal discussion.
- 148149 I removed the entirely unsourced paragraph on cultural context of hebephilia.
- 150151 Perfectly appropriate EL's (such as to a list of research articles on topic); see also my repeated talkpage disclosures asking other editors to review them.
- 152 De-peacocking.
- 153 A perfectly appropriate EL to an award-winning bioethicist on the topic.
- 154 I removed the sourced-to-a-blog claim about a closed committee's actions behind closed doors (which no one can actually know, nevermind enter into WP).
- 2013 conduct
I leave allegations about other editors (e.g., "tag-teaming") to the other editors. However, the only evidence suggesting anyone engaging in such behavior are User:KimvdLinde's withdrawal from this case in response to an unclear, apparently back-channel, request and User:Insomesia's being indef'ed today as a sockpuppet. Both were supporters of Jokestress.
Evidence regarding Cantor's behavior
I believe what matters most are my pattern over time and responsiveness to feedback.
- Began editing under own name two months into five years on WP.
- Made and unerringly stuck to pledges to stay off problematic pages, repeatedly inviting Jokestress to do same.
- Repeated disclosure of associations on relevant talkpages.
- Walked away from conflicts when Jokestress arrives.
- Once suggestion was made to submit subpages via RfC, began doing so voluntarily.
- Uninvolved editors repeatedly describe complaints as unjustified and ancient:
Evidence presented by Jokestress
Current word length: 995; diff count: 89.
Summary
James Cantor ( MarionTheLibrarian / WriteMakesRight ): key activist in major ethical controversies in Sexology.
- His edits reflect off-wiki attempts to promote himself / allies or denigrate critics.
Flyer22 ( Banking honesty / others? ): escalated this dispute after years of OWNership at "Hebephilia."
- After other problematic recent conduct involving Sexology, Flyer22 and proxies got sockpuppetry block.
With WLU, Legitimus, and Herostratus, they OWN many Sexology articles (including Hebephilia, Ephebophilia. Pedophilia).
Cantor / alliance
- Hinder including other scholarship (legal, historical, philosophical) via BATTLEground / personal attacks.
- Seek referendum here on settled disputes and off-wiki activity, vs. their unresolved on-wiki conduct.
- Repeatedly libeled me (since oversighted), then reported me for removing it per TPO.
Background
Complex off-wiki controversies center around Cantor's employer CAMH.
- CAMH pathologizes transgender children, adults, and our partners via diseases they create / promote.
- 2003 protests against academic exploitation by CAMH apologists in Sexology "marked a new moment in transgender history." (fulltext).
- CAMH apologist Alice Dreger then attempted to rewrite history, attacking trans leaders using a Sexology journal Cantor helps edit.
- Later, medical / legal experts rejected CAMH-backed reparative "therapy" on trans children as "no longer considered ethical." (p16)
- An activist minority of CAMH apologists, especially Cantor, fought to include "hebephilia" in DSM-5. Medical / legal experts overwhelmingly rejected inclusion.
On-wiki disputes
Nearly all evidence about me describes two resolved controversies.
- Hfarmer identity dispute (2005-2009)
- Cantor and ally Hfarmer displayed OWNership and POV-pushed, like Cantor/Flyer22/WLU on Hebephilia. After much disruption, Hfarmer was blocked for "Incivility, harassment," then "on- and off-wiki outing / possible harassment" of yet another user. . See Cantor citation 11: historian Katrina Rose describes on-wiki outing/harassment by Hfarmer, not vice-versa as Cantor claims.
- CAMH dispute (2008-2009)
- Though contributions were productive / neutral overall, we had disputes / COI editing, long since resolved.
The unresolved Hebephilia incident exemplifies ongoing conduct throughout Sexology by Cantor allies.
Hebephilia
"Hebephilia" is "not a recognized diagnosis." It's a "fictitious diagnosis" and "pseudoscientific construct." Cantor / CAMH attempts to reify hebephilia as a mental disorder were rejected by "near-unanimous" consensus of medical / legal experts.
The obscure term describes attraction to adolescents, a common sexual response. CAMH apologists' disease model uses narrower operationalized definitions. It's rejected for pathologizing widespread evolutionarily adaptive phenomena. Acting on attraction to adolescents is legal / acceptable in many cultures. Pathologizing / criminalizing "hebephilia" / related conduct is misused to incarcerate people indefinitely. Colleagues Cantor and Legitimus' edits show support for the concept.
Cantor / allies maintain his minority POV, remove widely-published criticisms / legal perpectives from hebephilia. They could easily include citations but typically suppress criticisms. Misplaced Pages implies hebephilia's a valid diagnostic category, like many controversial CAMH conceptualizations, because of Cantor's insidious manipulation. This POV problem's worse at Pedophilia but impossible to address due to Flyer22's overzealous BATTLE to "combat pro-pedophilia and/or WP:FRINGE.'" (see highlighted defamation).
- Cantor
- Tampering with hebephilia opponent Charles Moser's biography
- Removes reliable source attesting notability
- Tags "non-notable"
- Removes "sexologist," Moser's profession
- Defies COI warnings
- Blocked for disruption
- Attacks on hebephilia opponent Karen Franklin
- Tampering with Hebephilia to promote himself / his ideas
- Removes Franklin academic publication
- Creates article, misquoting Glueck, using Cantor's own operationalized definition
- Further operationalizes / reifies definition, adds himself 6x
- Removes criticism of his work
- Removes "hebephilia is not a recognized diagnosis by the American Psychiatric Association"
- Removes entire legal discussion
- Removes cultural context questioning "hebephilia" validity
- Adds links to his website
- Changes Franklin's "List of relevant publications" to "list of editorials"
- Adds link to CAMH apologist Alice Dreger's blog promoting hebephilia. Dreger wrote attack piece on me in Sexology journal Cantor helps edit.
- Removes rejection of hebephilia info (bogus "BLP" claim)
- 2013 conduct
- Removes hebephilia opponents Charles Patrick Ewing (book) and Richard Green, founder Archives of Sexual Behavior (article)
- Reification of self-cites: changes "proposed" / "believe" to "found" (bogus "BLP" claims)
- Changes descriptors of opponents to seem less authoritative
- OWN alliance POV-pushing / "consensus" creation
- Flyer22 (see OWN editing patterns)
- Removes legal section: "hebephilia should not be confused with legal matters"
- OWN tagteam of Franklin: "James Cantor had removed mention of her from the lead before. I'll let him assess whether she should be removed again."
- Promotes Cantor's operationalized definition; links to article she OWNs
- Removes Franklin / legal section (partially restored later)
- Removes pedophilia template: "It's about hebephilia not technically being pedophilia" (later restored)
- Legitimus
- WLU (see long-term Cantor affiliation)
- My 2013 involvement
Personal attacks
Editing my biography
- Cantor (instigating off-wiki dispute here)
- Adds his own off-wiki attacks on me, citing Dreger; see Dicklyon evidence
- Removes academic credentials
- Removes primary occupations
- WLU (while discussing adding Cantor article at Paraphilia)
- Bali ultimate (while NPOV/N discussing WLU's conduct above)
Warnings/trolling
- Herostratus (during a related AfD)
Defamation/libel
- I merely said on a talk page "one significant historical view is that pedophilia is an extreme version of normal masculine sexuality." That's Havelock Ellis' view not mine. This OWN alliance suppresses mentioning this major sexologist at Pedophilia, citing FRINGE.
- Legitimus
- My redaction request (ignored)
- Declaims actual malice: "My statement was inaccurate, though made in under genuine belief it was true based on faulty info."
- Doubles down on accusations "In the jurisdiction I live in, James would have faced prison time"
- Flyer22
- (oversighted)
- Redaction request (ignored)
- Flyer reverts my WP:TPO-allowed redactions:
- Reinserts Legitimus defamation, reports me
- Acknowledges BLP violation
Outing
Responses
Evidence presented by Dicklyon
Current word length: 262; diff count: 2.
James Cantor is a single-purpose academic-sexologist-POV pusher
Cantor started life at Misplaced Pages by attacking Andrea James and my friend Lynn Conway for their outspoken activism against J. Michael Bailey. He continues to push the POV of his academic sexologist friends.
- This edit by his MarionTheLibrarian persona, attacking Lynn Conway, first attracted my attention. Note that in it he refers to Lynn as "James", when he copied Some scholars have likened James to "the Al Sharpton rather than the M.L. King sort" of activist from the similar attack he had just made on Andrea James here. Note also that the referred quote from "some scholars" is referring to a web blog of another on his side, quoting James Cantor as the source! So, he gets his attack online, then copies it into WP and cites it. Thus started a long argument, in which he at one point inadvertently outed himself to me via email; after I let him know about that, he decided to switch to an account using his real name (I didn't out him). As he points out, his beef with Andrea James and Lynn Conway goes back to several years before he brought his vitriol to WP. Supporting his buds in academia would be OK if he was more balanced about representing their POV, but he continues to work hard to disallow balancing it with the POV from outside the academic circles that he and his friends control.
I have withdrawn from involving myself in this topic area, as it seems too toxic. I believe Cantor is one of the main reasons for that atmosphere. Dicklyon (talk) 21:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Evidence presented by MrADHD
Current word length: 500; diff count: 6.
James Cantor and Jokestress make a large number of productive edits and both overall are productive editors so this should be kept in mind I feel when considering what if any action needs to be taken.
Jokestress, trolling and fringe advocacy
In this video by Andrea James, she boasts that academics are 'very easy to troll' because they tend to be 'very thin skinned and self important' and mentions ways to troll those deemed to be 'academic trolls'. The first couple of minutes of this video are where the trolling is discussed. This may provide some evidence to support claims of trolling or feeling intimidated by Andrea James. However, the video does not mention wikipedia so it could be referring to off-wiki conduct but still is evidence nonetheless of the 'chilling effect' described by some editors.
While Jokestress clearly opposes paedophilic actions as being harmful or potentially harmful, she nonetheless advocates including fringe viewpoints on paedophilia such as paedophilia being an 'extreme version of normal male masculinity'.,, Another example, Jokestress feels that paedophilia among other paraphilias should not be 'medicalised'. This is despite the fact that there is universal or near universal scientific consensus that paedophilia (a sexual preference for prepubescent children) is a grossly abnormal disorder of the mind as exemplified in the academic literature and diagnostic psychiatric codes., I think that it is fair to say that some of Jokestresses viewpoints are WP:FRINGE.--MrADHD | T@1k? 19:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
James Cantor and his professional opponents
James Cantor seems to have a COI regarding hebephilia that has led to him having disputes with psychologists who disagree with him that hebephilia is a mental disorder. Hebephilia describes a sexual preference for young adolescents. There is universal consensus that young adolescents need to be protected by the law against adults who may seek to exploit or abuse them for sexual reasons, as they are a very vulnerable group due to their immaturity, however, currently there is no consensus that hebephilia is a mental illness and the American Psychiatric Association rejected hebephilia as a proposed new add-on to the psychiatric disorder paedophilia., Arguments against hebephilia being a mental illness include that pubescents are capable of reproducing and our ancestors didn't have time to wait around in the harsh outdoor environment, and then of course the other side of the argument I've already described (power-imbalance and potential for harm/abuse in such relationships). A very controversial and difficult area to edit!
James Cantor edited in descriptive terms on his professional opponents on the hebephilia article which reduced the credibility of their views such as labeling them in article text as 'kink advocate' and 'defense psychologist'. I am not sure if this violates WP:BLP but at the least it is not encylopedic and is not good taste.
James Cantor acknowledges that he has a COI on certain topics and appears to be sincere in trying to avoid COI editing.User:James_Cantor#A_pledge--MrADHD | T@1k? 19:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I made comments regarding James Cantor in my case statement which with further information proved to be wrong. The MarionTheLibrarian account wasn't a 'deception account'. I apologise.--MrADHD | T@1k? 20:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Evidence presented by My very best wishes
Current word length: 494; diff count: 10.
Locus of dispute
Why the dispute? Jokestress considers certain scientific publications as discrimination against sexual minorities. She tells in her political manifesto : My response to “sexology” is similar to how a person of color might respond to “raceology” and mentioned Nazi doctors in connection with Canadian doctors. However word pathology has no decidedly negative connotation. Recognizing something as pathology is important to provide medical care to people who need it. Interpreting medical care as discrimination and treating scientists like shit is wrong .
Jokestress maintains an attack website
She created these blacklists of people , . These lists exist right now and include at least two wikipedians with whom Jokestress has/had a dispute. These lists are not a criticism of scientific theories, but designed to intimidate people and harm their employment (the allegations of "academic misconduct"). Jokestress tells she created a worldwide revolutionary organization to handle Bailey, Cantor and other enemy scientists : We mobilized all around the world as never before... This isn’t just evolution, it’s revolution.
How can anyone edit sexology if they consider it "raceology" rather than medicine or science, and how can anyone work in a collaborative project if they create blacklists of fellow collaborators?
Fringe sources
Some sources by Jokestress read like political proclamations rather than scientific publications . The dispute is whether a certain category of pedophiles (by law) should be treated as insane. Franklin argues (page 14) against "detention of men who have committed culturally repugnant acts with minors" on the grounds to be insane because she thinks that sex with minors is only natural, whereas CAMH scientists believe this is not normal. So, who is really fringe?
Editing by Dr. Cantor is not really problematic
Most edits by Cantor seem legitimate, especially more recent ones. Yes, hebephilia is a controversial subject, but it clearly satisfies our criteria for inclusion and therefore an improvement of content and not WP:COI ("When advancing outside interests..."). Advancing wikipedia is fine. Being a key contributor in a number of legitimate articles is a good thing. However, presenting this as a proof of WP:OWN and WP:COI shows WP:BATTLE by another side (Jocktress tells: I define WP:OWN behavior below as having more than twice as many edits as the second-highest contributor . But it would be fine even if he was the only contributor) Same is here with diffs like this. Quoting himself is fine if this improves content. This was not a problem; someone quickly de-proded the article. Importantly, Dr. Cantor does not edit war.
Cantor probably should not edit BLP articles of his opponents. However, "removing credentials" is legitimate. This is an unsourced claim in BLP. Please provide your RS. End of story. An "off-wiki attacks on me, citing Dreger" ? No, this is a sourced edit explaining why exactly Andrea James is a notable, although controversial activist (comparison with famous Al Sharpton). Bring more sources to improve NPOV and discuss. Cantor "removes criticism of his work" ? No, he removes strange phrase, "The samples used were non representative; criminal and clinical in nature". All these diffs are four years old.
Evidence presented by WLU
Current word length: 493; diff count: 26.
Jokestress improves many topics. But her experience as a transsexual and off-wiki disputes with Bailey, Cantor and others seem to cause problems. Articles should be dealt with through reliable sources. Arbitration is about behaviour, and two aspects Jokestress' are problems:
- A failure to assume good faith that sees conspiracies rather than disagreements
- The chilling effect Andrea James' real-life activities have on wikipedia when she expresses interest in an editor's real-life identity
Good faith
In this discussion Jokestress claimed my addition of a scholarly article in which "James" appears more than 100 times was "negative content". My change to Andrea James consisted of "...and in 2008 an article appeared in the Archives of Sexual Behavior discussing the controversy in detail". Jokestress noted that Cantor had added it in the past and asked that I disclose my "personal and/or professional connection to sex and sexuality issues". I have no such connections and know Cantor as a co-editor with whom I have had no meatspace interactions (I have advised him on the importance of civility, sources and process but I am not his lapdog; note my declining to integrate one of his articles into homosexuality). Jokestress believed my edit was a deliberate slight and requested/demanded I prove my "intent" . I believe edits should be based on sources, not intent.
Jokestress then started a section at NPOVN (whole section is here) 'politely demanding' I make edits to Andrea James. (Note Maunus' , , and Blueboar's comments). Jokestress then claimed I was editing Andrea James due to a recent "editing dispute" . I replied this was an inaccurate summary of this thread at talk:paraphilia where my sole comment to Jokestress was here. Jokestress then claimed I was attempting to "punish" her as part of "an on-wiki content dispute", adding Dreger's article as part of that dispute. As I state here, here and here, I don't believe my edits were problematic. Despite this, I continue to be accused of "axe grinding".
Seeing plots and claiming that agreeing with Cantor indicates bias is also obvious on the archived ANI hebephilia thread. This appears to be an extreme failure to assume good faith - seeing conspiracies rather than people who disagree. I believe this shows Jokestress has a conflict of interest that is not financial and strong enough that a topic ban may be warranted. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 17:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Chilling
A second thread on my talk page alleged a connection to Wilfrid Laurier University (no edits). Jokestress digging through my editing history to determine my identity has a chilling effect given what I've read of Andrea James' real world actions. I've voiced this concern before.
Other editors have similar concerns about a chilling effect (FiachraByrne, Only in death, Skinwalker, Herostratus, little green rosetta and Thryduulf). These questions generally shouldn't be asked , because sources are what matter . Probes for identity also appeared on talk:hebephilia (no diffs as the edits were oversighted, search for "identify ourselves for purposes of transparency"). WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 17:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Tryptofish
Current word length: 115; diff count: 30.
James Cantor at Transgender: initial edits POV, but then very willing to listen to reasonable arguments
In 2011, I responded to James Cantor's request here at WT:WikiProject Neuroscience for help at Transgender from editors familiar with neuroscience.
In the discussion, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , and , (also ), I felt that he had indeed made edits pushing a pro-Blanchard POV (going beyond WP:BRD). Other editors were, understandably, sensitive to source material that might appear to be unsympathetic to transgendered persons, but their reactions to his edits had been WP:BATTLEGROUND, resulting in gridlock. When I came in as an uninvolved editor, I found James Cantor to be very cooperative and open to consensus. I want to point out this distinction: POV edits to start with, but then very reasonable and respectful of consensus when presented with non-adversarial arguments.
Evidence presented by KimvdLinde
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before using the last evidence template, please make a copy for the next person
Blackmail
I have been blackmailed in order not to provide evidence in this case , with the explicit mention that experts like James Cantor need to be protected against non-experts. Evidence is in possession of ArbCom. It is my understanding that this has happened with multiple editors critical to James Cantor. Yes, I realize that this might lead to details about my private life being published on wikipedia.
James Cantor assumes bad faith
Instead of being concerned that blackmail is used to protect him, he assumes bad faith and attacks the messenger . Until yesterday evening, I was willing to assume he did not know anything about this and that it was an independent off-wiki person/group doing this, but the lack of empathy on this serious issue displayed this morning, and the attacks hurled at the messenger make me feel different.
Evidence presented by Flyer22
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Jokestress pushes fringe views or other minority views to the detriment of scientific consensus
- As is shown here, here, here and here, Jokestress has disrespected WP:MEDRS, WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE consistently by insisting that the Pedophilia article give as much weight to minority views about pedophilia, as well as to aspects that are not pedophilia – what, as the second diff-link shows, she calls "non-adult pedophilia, adult non-pedophilia, and non-adult non-pedophilia." Despite the article in question being titled Pedophilia, Jokestress wants the article to be about all adult sexual interest in children, the topic of an article that she failed to sustain and has been trying to turn the Pedophilia article into ever since. Or about all adult-sexual interest in prepubescent children (pedophilic and nonpedophilic). The third diff-link also shows that, despite what WP:FRINGE says, she doesn't consider the view that pedophilia is "an extreme version of normal masculine sexuality" to be fringe.
- Jokestress often tells half-truths. See:. Stating that I or others are suppressing Havelock Ellis because of WP:FRINGE is another half-truth; there has yet to be any direct suppressing of Havelock Ellis.
- At List of paraphilias, Jokestress added "homosexuality" to the table list, despite most of the scientific community no longer considering it to be one or a mental disorder. Adding this to the table list (instead of in a subsection discussing it), even with a note that it used to be considered a mental disorder/paraphilia, is stigmatizing (as others agreed). Jokestress added it more out of spite, relating to James Cantor, and supported titling the article List of current paraphilias to help "show that this is a list based on definitional quicksand and social custom."
- At Template talk:Sexual orientation editors have consistently kept paraphilias (such as pedophilia and zoophilia) and mere sexual identities (such as pansexuality and polysexuality) from being listed on the template as sexual orientations because these categories are not recognized as sexual orientations by any authoritative source (meaning a scientific organization) or have not gained scientific support as sexual orientations (like asexuality has). Jokestress disagreed with the exclusions and wanted pansexuality and polysexuality added as sexual orientations. But most sources, including this one, simply view pansexuality and polysexuality as alternative terms for bisexuality; they are used by some people who consider the term bisexuality to be limiting. Sexual orientation and sexual identity/sexual orientation identity are not necessarily the same thing. Queer, pansexual, polyfidelitous, polysexual, byke or biphilic are sexual identities, not sexual orientations. We agreed to have pansexuality and polysexuality on the template as "non-binary categories," but this was not enough for Jokestress. Enter the Misplaced Pages:Fringe theories/Noticeboard. Jokestress also proposed that we get rid of the Sexual orientation template altogether, and instead have a template for all sexualities/sexual identities, including paraphilias. As can be seen with that second diff-link, I was the only one to support her alternative template...despite still believing that the Sexual orientation template should exist.
Jokestress's WP:TROLLING/WP:BAITING/WP:UNCIVIL/WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior
Imagine minding your own business at an article/page and then having an editor suddenly show up and make disparaging remarks about you. It's very difficult to work with an editor who does this: . Especially one who causes this type of fear, or any fear for that matter. Jokestress disregards the intimidating she engages in and the fear she causes.
Jokestress censoring her Misplaced Pages article
Jokestress being significantly involved in what goes in or out of her Misplaced Pages article, Andrea James, censoring what she feels should be censored, is problematic.
Jokestress's accusations about me
- Jokestress trying to put me through another sockpuppet case here is one attempt to shift primary focus on me. In both of my sockpuppet cases, there was substantial evidence that I had not sockpuppeted. This edit, for example, clearly made by my brother, which led to my second block and this discussion, is just one example. In the second sockpuppet case (my third block), the substantial evidence that I had not sockpuppeted led to the WP:CheckUser who blocked me, Alison, to unblock me and declare with 100% certainty that I had not sockpuppeted and that my brother, who she thoroughly interrogated via Skype, exists. Further, my brother largely didn't edit sexual or psychological topics, with the exception of his short-lived time as Banking honesty, as even the IP "sockfarm" Jokestress attributes to me -– the same IP "sockfarm" shared by an editor unrelated to me (MikeFromCanmore) -- shows. My brother now has his own account, own computer, is on good behavior, and Alison has been helping me keep things in that regard in check. The only thing, as Alison knows, that I now concern myself with regarding my brother at this site is that he has turned off his proxy tunnel before visiting Misplaced Pages and after he has used my computer so that a proxy is not run through the Flyer22 account when I use my computer.
- Jokestress makes it seem that I am simply out to get her; this link shows that to be false and rather me trying to show fairness.
- As can be seen at User:Jokestress/Sexology/Conduct_patterns, Jokestress defines WP:OWN differently than how WP:OWN actually defines it. To state that I or other editors own sexual and/or psychological topics because we extensively edit these topics, more than the typical editor, is very troubling. Jokestress accuses me of being the leader of "the click" she considers me to be a part of or Cantor's servant ("lap dog" like WLU mentioned above) and conspiring with Cantor to present hebephilia as a mental disorder. In actuality, I have disagreed in general, and with Cantor, that hebephilia is considered a mental disorder/paraphilia by most experts in this field.
- Jokestress's claims of my owning articles, being difficult to work with, etc. are false accusations, as shown by barnstars or other gifts editors have awarded me with, or by compliments in general, for my lone work and/or team work on Misplaced Pages articles. Often, when an article is called "mine," I make a comment like this:.
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A Difficult Question
"It’s almost impossible now to stand in the middle." - Dr. Anne Lawrence, quoted in Alice Dreger 2008.
I have not been involved in the conflicts over Hebephilia, but I have a fair amount of experience editing in the trans* article space, and unfortunately Dr. Lawrence's comment tends to ring true. Conflicts in the broader world spill into editing here, and maintaining WP:NPOV is thus a huge challenge.
James Cantor tends to transgress WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL
James Cantor has promoted stereotypes about editors, e.g., here.
And I believe as a consequence of being embroiled in controversies and this tendency towards stereotyping, he sometimes offers snubs rather than genuine responses to comments in a manner that derails dialog; e.g., with me:
Snubs - here, here, and here, following my comment on organization of articles, and here, triggering this interaction, and here, which I found so amusing I added it to my profile?
… because we do agree on a number of things, but I dislike the typecasting and casual derision in which he indulges.
I believe he needs to improve his style of interaction and show more tolerance for disagreement rather than pigeonholing those who disagree with him; also, he is mistaken in asserting Autogynephilia has been suppressed; it was merged into this.
Re: "Chilling Effect"
Katrina Rose's blog post here points out that User:Hfarmer, claims that Ms. Rose has engaged in editing Misplaced Pages anonymously using an IP address, is of dubious reputation herself, and if she repeats these will be risking charges of libel; Ms. Rose is a lawyer, and is declaring her interest in protecting her own reputation. Hfarmer was always open about her identity once she dropped her aliases, and her claim there that she is "not a public person", and thus exempt from public comment, are risible in light of her efforts at self-promotion.
Dr. Alice Dreger is an "activist" herself
Alice Dreger identifies as an "activist". Her article on the "Bailey Controversy" has been cited as general evidence of the awfulness of User:Jokestress, but she is not an unbiased source; see my comment on Zoe Brain's blog.
Alice Dreger on Alice Dreger:
Alice Dreger's "About" on her blog: "I’m an historian, writer, patient advocate, and mother."
The Dex Diaries, Part 10: Taking It Personally:
"… after almost two decades of overt activism on my part …" "… the Hastings Center has just published an essay by one of their own staff members basically telling us we made dex and Dix Poppas’s clitoral stimulation studies too personal, what with all the naming and outrage and—well, our tone."
Dreger's tendencies towards "activism" have been called out - by fellow bioethicists - in "A case study in unethical transgressive bioethics"
In my opinion Dr. Dreger's article on the Bailey controversy was written in the same spirit of partisanship, only with targets that were more vulnerable to these tactics; I have read that issue of the ASB in its entirety, and tend to agreee with Dr. Lynn Conway's summary of the commentaries.
My opinion
I do not believe topic bans on either James Cantor or Jokestress are truly desirable. They're editing on controversial topics where it's difficult to recruit editors who can accurately assess sources, and all competent editors are likely to come to the articles with WP:COI and some WP:POV issues. I have no solid ideas for remedies for this problem.
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