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thanks

Thank you. Zeq 18:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

check it again

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Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Thanks Karl. Netscott 11:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Welp, looks like another asinine edit that needs reverting. :-) Netscott 11:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as your commented out part of the "Freedom of speech" section was reverted, you might want to use Template:Or {{or}} on this section for now. Be sure that you add to the article's talk page if you do use it though. Netscott 14:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

There was a reasoning for it not being a redirect... review the history of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and you'll probably understand. Netscott 08:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

You're probably right although editors should never have to rely upon the violations of others to ensure their edits... it seems that he (she) has subsided such activity.... so the whole issue may be based upon a moot point now. Netscott 08:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Islamophobia

Greetings Karl Meier, I was wondering if you might express your editorial view on this bottom section of talk on this article? Thanks. Netscott 14:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Greetings again Karl, I understand why you want to add alleged to the section title and article wording but such wording is not logical. I'm guessing that you have a feeling that as Irishpunktom's version of the article stood it did not conform to NPOV. It is for this very reason that I made the changes that arrived at this version of the article section titles. I would recommend that you in fact edit in that direction to correspond to that logic. Thanks. Netscott 21:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

It isn't logical because the individuals aren't alleging but in fact are using the term in their discourses. The word allege tends to be appropriate however in the references in connection to Islamophobia section. Netscott 21:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• Karl, thanks for writing me about your concerns for the intro of this article. To be perfectly honest with you I believe that what is there is common to nearly all recognized definitions of the word. If we look at the two non-Misplaced Pages defintions as an example(bad example) of definitions then the intro doesn't seem off. Netscott 20:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• I have seen a definition or two that was sooner from a neutral and reliable source (ie: like a known dictionary) but I'm not sure where they are right now (I'd have to re-research them) but from what I recall the intro as it stands wasn't too far off from what I previously read. Netscott 20:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• The Oxford Dictionary of English (ODE) (copyrighted 2003), included on the Casio XD-H9200 electronic dictionary says: "Islamophobia > noun a hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force." Netscott 21:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• You had better cite the date in your editing because it is possible that their definition has changed since then... I really don't know. Netscott 21:45, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Please revert back to the Examples of use in public discourse if User:Raphael1 tries to remove it... It's essential that Misplaced Pages maintain its distance from the term if it is ever to remain neutral about it. Netscott 23:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Karl, in terms of supporting your editing relative to the "islamophobia" neologism please be aware of these guidelines and cited them as necessary: Misplaced Pages:Avoid neologisms. Netscott 08:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Karl, I see edit warring with Irishpunktom is happening now. You both should stop immediately while bearing in mind User:Tony Sidaway's warning to both of you. Netscott 08:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Karl, I'm inclined to agree with you but now the time has come for us to make attempts at dispute resolution. How would you feel about asking User:Tony Sidaway to try and help us come to some agreement on these issues? Netscott 09:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've just put in for page protection while we engage the dispute resolution process. Netscott 09:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand but remember no one's prevented from editing until it's protected. Netscott 09:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

As User:Tasc has just demonstrated. Netscott 09:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Karl, I appreciate your report but unfortunately it's not going to help. Would you kindly (and in good faith) remove your 3RR report as User:Irishpunktom has in good faith agreed to dispute resolution?Thanks. Netscott 10:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Based upon Irishpunktom's use of the word racist in your regard I will understand if you do not decide to remove the above 3RR report but still think that it would help. Please know that I've responded to Irsihpunktom's use of the word on his talk page (Under the "islamophobia" section). He's defintiely very wrong in his utilization of that word. Netscott 10:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

In accord with WP:NPA I have struck User:Irishpunktom's personal attack utilization of the word "racist" in your regard on my user page. Netscott 10:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:PAIN

Short and easy: Go to dispute resolution. I've told IPK that he should avoid mentioning you at all outside some very narrow confines, but from his comments elsewhere he's ready for mediation. Take him up on it. - brenneman 13:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you look at this

http://en.wikipedia.org/Amin_al-Husayni and pass on to anyone who might be intersted. check talk and history pages. Tnx. Zeq 12:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Joturner

Thought you might be interested to have a look at . --Aminz 08:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this to me. I appreciate it. -- Karl Meier 09:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Reminder...

When using template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. — Ian Manka Talk to me! 15:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this to me, because I wasn't aware of that. I'll make sure to remember it. -- Karl Meier 15:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Islam

I guess you missed the reason I gave for including the image. Please read Misplaced Pages:Consensus, if you disagree with the points I have given in the talk page, please indicate it below the comments I have made. I again qoute from the wikipedia policy page, "Note that consensus can only work among reasonable editors who make a good faith effort to work together to accurately and appropriately describe the different views on the subject." If you want a vote count (which is considered evil according to user:Squell)I had equal number of editors "for it" and "Not for" and two editors who doesn't mind either. if you assume good faith on your part we can consider these neutral users would be fine with the changes as longs as the new image is not compromising any of the required traits of a logo. So still in the grounds of assuming good faith the majority of the editors are fine with the image. Even the editors who have said the image change is not okay, agree that the image is aesthetically better than the current one. This is only a kind reminder and request.  «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

3rr

Do your definition of good faith efforts towards dispute resolution include calling people racists? Irishpunktom is obviously trolling, and is surely not making any good faith efforts as it is also obvious from the diffs provided in the 3rr report, and the following personal attacks against me. -- Karl Meier 10:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

If you want to make a disruption report, please use WP:AN/I or WP:AIV for vandalism. Stifle (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Mediation on Islamophobia

Karl Meier, please review this request for mediation and agree to it. Thanks. Netscott 17:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI - are you a party ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#Parties.27_agreement_to_mediate_3

Agree, or not... no conditional agreeing

Karl, on the mediation please remove your conditional agreement and just agree... you can make that condition (to continue to participate based on it) after the commitee accepts the case. Thanks. Netscott 09:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)