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Stormfighter14 (talk) 19:15, 19 April 2013 (UTC)==Bulgarian DNA==

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Hi, I am Jingiby. I realized you have changed here the article Bulgarians, claiming: Croats and Slovaks are genetically closer to the bulgarians according to that source. Can you clarify according to which source, and closer then who. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 18:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Well in that source 65 it shows they are closer to us than the serbs. It is right that the serbs are included as they are related anthropologically and genetically however croats and slovaks are closer. I think the croats are the second closest. The article sounds mediterranean orientated and it should be changed as bulgarians are not mediterraneans, we are a mixture of south europeans, slavs and germanic people. Bulgarians and hungarians should be the closest as we share so much culture and racial heritage. Bulgarians are white europeans and that fact isn't even mentioned in this article which in fact is horrendous.

Please, I can not see a confirmation of your claims in that article. Can you point out the page I can find this comparative information. Jingiby (talk) 18:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I said source 65. the claims are proven. What I want to know is why does this article have to be so mediterranean orientated and anti white? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.205.2.237 (talk) 18:37, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I did not find anything in that source confirming your claims. If you claim something, you must prove it with reliable and exact sources, cite page and so on. Misplaced Pages is not a forum. Please, check here: Genes mirror geography within Europe, John Novembre et al. Nature. 2008 November 6; 456(7218): 98–101. This is a relatively new study and it is based on new genetic tests. It confirms that geography is leading for genetical vicinity of the peoples of Europe. It is available, a map which clearly shows that neither Croats nor the Slovaks are genetically too close to the Bulgarians. As you know, their states are also geographically distant from Bulgaria. Check here, the map please. If you can not prove your claims, I am going to revert your edit, as personal opinion. Though you seem to have been successful in finding your way around, you may benefit from following some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Misplaced Pages:

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Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages, again. The recent edit that you made to the page Bulgarians has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive, because you didn't provide a reliable source. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Please use the sandbox for testing any edits; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing for further information. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 05:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Bulgarians are not mediterranean!§

Bulgarians are largely related to Mediterranean, i.e. Southern European poulations:

• Distributions of HLA class I alleles and haplotypes in Bulgarians – contribution to understanding the origin of the population. M. Ivanova, P. Spassova, A. Michailova, E. NaumovaArticle first published online: 23 DEC 2001: HLA class I profile of Bulgarians has been compared to other European and Mediterranean populations of common historical background in order to clarify more precisely the origin of our population. Genetic distances, phylogenetic trees and correspondence analyses show that the Bulgarian population is more closely related to the Italian, the Mediterranean, the Armenian and the Romanian population than to the other East and West European population.
• Sena Karachanak, Valeria Carossa, Desislava Nesheva, Anna Olivieri, Maria Pala, Baharak Hooshiar Kashani, Viola Grugni, Vincenza Battaglia, Alessandro Achilli, Yordan Yordanov, Angel S. Galabov, Ornella Semino, Draga Toncheva, and Antonio Torroni. "Bulgarians vs the other European populations: a mitochondrial DNA perspective." International Journal of Legal Medicine (released electronically in advance of print publication, June 15, 2011).: The observed pattern of mtDNA variation indicates that the Bulgarian mitochondrial pool is geographically homogeneous across the country, and that is characterized by an overall extremely high frequency of western Eurasian lineages. In the principal component analysis, Bulgarians locate in an intermediate position between Eastern European and Mediterranean populations, which is in agreement with historical events. Thus, while the Mediterranean legacy could be attributed to the Thracians, indigenous people that firstly inhabited the Balkans.
• M. Ivanova, P. Spassova, A. Michailova, and E. Naumova. "Distributions of HLA class I alleles and haplotypes in Bulgarians - contribution to understanding the origin of the population." Tissue Antigens 57:3 (March 2001): pages 208-215. Abstract excerpts: "This is further supported by the analysis of HLA class I haplotypes in Bulgarians. Most of them are also common in Europe. However their frequency pattern in Bulgarians is similar to the South European populations. The presence of some rare alleles and haplotypes indicated Asian genetic inflow. On the basis of HLA class I profile and supported by historical and anthropological data, we suggest that the Bulgarian population is characterized by the features of the Southern European anthropological type."
• Fulvio Cruciani, Roberta La Fratta, Beniamino Trombetta, Piero Santolamazza, Daniele Sellitto, Eliane Beraud Colomb, Jean-Michel Dugoujon, Federica Crivellaro, Tamara Benincasa, Roberto Pascone, Pedro Moral, Elizabeth Watson, Bela Melegh, Guido Barbujani, Silvia Fuselli, Giuseppe Vona, Boris Zagradisnik, Guenter Assum, Radim Brdicka, Andrey I. Kozlov, Georgi D. Efremov, Alfredo Coppa, Andrea Novelletto, and Rosaria Scozzari. "Tracing Past Human Male Movements in Northern/Eastern Africa and Western Eurasia: New Clues from Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups E-M78 and J-M12." Molecular Biology and Evolution 24(6) (June 2007): pages 1300-1311. First published online on March 10, 2007. This large study of populations from Europe, Asia, and Africa confirmed that all signs point to the Y-DNA haplogroup E-M78 (E1b1b1a1) having come from northeastern Africa originally. Naturally, due to geographical proximity to Africa, E haplogroups are more common in southern Europe than northern Europe. 204 Bulgarian males had their Y-DNA data incorporated into "Table 1: Frequencies (%) of the Y-chromosome E-M78 sub-haplogroups in the 81 populations analyzed" which says that 16.67% of them (that is, 34 out of the 204) placed into E-M78, 0.49% (just one person) into E-V12*, and 16.18% (33 individuals) into E-V13. Jingiby (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, and do not remove correct info from them, as you did to Bulgarians. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Please stop. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 05:46, 23 April 2013 (UTC)