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This event has officially been described as a "flare up of street violence", nobody was seriously injured let alone killed. Per the talk page that this happened on Mother's Day seems to be more coincidental than deliberate, and that was the only thing that made this newsworthy outside the city it took place in. In short I'm not seeing anything in the article or news reports to indicate why this event in encyclopedically notable Thryduulf (talk) 13:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Was watching this story after the article was created to see if it was going anywhere, and while it has international attention due to Mother's Day, it doesn't have enduring coverage as effective it was unfortunate violence in a low income urban area. Given that there's been enough time to assess the story as more one of local news, it doesn't belong on WP per NOTNEWS. Editors are free to start a Wikinews article for this. --MASEM (t) 13:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Louisiana-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. Misplaced Pages is not intended to be a police blotter, nor a permanent record of every news story ever to hit the wires. While I am sure that this event was quite significant to those involved in it, there does not (as yet) seem to be any evidence that this shooting will have any particular enduring social or political import. It's one more shooting in a country where shootings are a routine news staple. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• (edit conflict)(edit conflict)(edit conflict)Keep for now... I think that there is enough content and RS cited to support this article at this time. I have a hard time believing that the perpetrators did not know it was mother's day and there was no connection to the shooting directed at a mother's day parade. I would like to see how this article develops and think that any decision to delete it should be stayed until either the shooters are caught and it is clear that there wasn't a specific connection to mother's day or three months have elapsed without catching the shooters or any other major development. Technical 13 (talk) 13:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
  • It doesn't matter if it was tied to Mother's Day. It has been called "street crime", which is routine unfortunately in those parts. It had a spurt of primary source coverage, but nothing enduring now compared to major crimes eg the Sandy Hook shooting or the Boston MArathon bombing. This is exactly the case NOTNEWS covers. --MASEM (t) 13:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. The only factor setting this "event" apart from any other fight on the street is that it happened on Mothers' Day. This does not make the event significant. The date of Mothers' Day isn't even consistent in the English speaking world and so I can't see how it really matters that it happened at that time. Basalisk ⁄_berate 13:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - This IMO was what WP:NOTNEWS was envisioned to defend the project against; routine newswire stories. It wasn't a terrorist attack, it was spillover from gang violence, which it not all that uncommon in urban America. Sad, but true. If you look at an event and all you can say about it is a recitation of where-it-happened, who-did-it, etc... then what you have is a news article, not an encyclopedia entry. Tarc (talk) 13:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete We're not a newspaper. I'm guessing that this will never become suitable for an article, but if it did, one could be (re)created then. North8000 (talk) 14:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete Notnews Darkness Shines (talk) 14:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Weak Keep It is not common for a mass shooting with so many casualties to occur at a parade or a public event such as this. Even though nobody died, it is still a pretty serious incident that has gotten a lot of media coverage, nationally and internationally, and will probably receive more coverage and attention over the next days, and possibly weeks and months. There are articles for very minor school shooting incidents where only several people got injured: Pine Middle School shooting, SuccessTech Academy shooting. We also don't know the motive behind this attack, even though it could be gang-related. Cyanidethistles (talk) 14:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Yeah WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. That doesn't mean it should or that this one should as well. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete as above. I cannot see any indication of notability. As has been said, it only really made the news because of the date and the fact that it was during a parade. With only minor injuries, this is hardly a notable event. — Richard BB 14:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete The ideal coverage this gets in an encyclopedia is about one sentence long. Shii (tock) 15:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Weak keep/merge - I think it deserves a mention here.--82.8.226.105 (talk) 15:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Where are you proposing to merge it to? Thryduulf (talk) 16:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Keep - Notable incident that satisfies requirements for an article on Misplaced Pages, in my view. Jusdafax 17:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:ITSNOTABLE is not a valid argument for retention. Tarc (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions. czar · · 18:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. As far as events go this is a relatively routine news story, which is not what Misplaced Pages is for. In addition, despite the wide range of sources presented, the majority of them are merely quotes/rehashings of other stories on the event, largely from the New Orleans-based Times-Picayune—an indicator that the event likely doesn't have any national or international impact. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 18:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete if we had an article for every non-lethal shooting in America we'd be swamped. This has only been given any coverage because of Mother's Day. No-one died, some morons shot at people and that happens every single day in the US. This isn't worthy of an article I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete as a run-of-the-mill shooting. Sorry to be frank, but that's...what it is. Theopolisme (talk) 21:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Are you kidding me? This has been a very well-publicized incident and plainly passes WP:GNG. I am quite aghast at the level of societal bias we have when the Boston Marathon bombings cause the shutdown of an entire city, but a mass shooting of this type arouses barely a murmur, a shrug, and a $10,000 reward. We can't counter this bias by ignoring a lack of attention, but in this case, we need merely not magnify it further by ignoring perfectly good sources. This is not "routine news coverage" on the level of the police blotter and obituaries in one local paper which is what should be what we have in mind when that is spoken of. Wnt (talk) 22:12, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I must say I share Wnt's incredulity. Those urging deletion are unconvincing, to say the least. Can't help but wonder what the reaction will be from many of the deletion !votes should the shooters prove to be Muslims. Jusdafax 23:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if they're Muslims or not. This appears at the moment to be unplanned and spontaneous violence which killed no one. Shii (tock) 23:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I find it hilarious in the extreme for you to call out the entries of others as "unconvincing, when your own is boilerplate WP:ITSNOTABLE. Tarc (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.251.154.175 (talk) 22:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Keep - Notable incident that satisfies requirements for an article on Misplaced Pages, in my view--68.231.15.56 (talk) 00:05, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:ITSNOTABLE is not a valid argument for retention. Tarc (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - WP:NOTNEWS is to "protect" against articles on stories that make the news only in a small region (thus technically meet the GNG since at least 2 sources have covered it) and stories that are completely predictable (routine) in nature. An example of the second type is a (regular season) sports game that is covered in hundreds of papers merely because it was played as scheduled. When a story draws enough interest to make headlines across the globe, NOTNEWS does not apply. Mass shootings *may* be common (I'm not convinced they are), but they certainly do not normally generate headlines in foreign countries. Media sources have decided this was an extraordinary event. As individuals we may or may not agree, but once our third party sources make the decision an event is not routine (by treating it with unusual levels of coverage), then policy wise the matter is settled - the subject can have an article if someone decides to write one. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete, even if without it, a search for "mother's day shooting" on Wiki points (probably innocently) to Dick Cheney's shooting. Lots of minor injuries, no (probable) ties to a larger picture, should fade out of the news cycle quickly. Not much encyclopedic value. At least not yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:58, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
• Delete Per NOTNEWS, the encyclopedia should not be used to record every news incident, no matter how much immediate attention they generate. The article can be recreated if and when some long-term significance is demonstrated. Johnuniq (talk) 01:08, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete It is not notable. Corn cheese (talk) 01:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete New Orleans has a murder rate 30x that of my city, write an article on Crime in New Orleans if you want, but until these events stop being routine they will not separately deserve an article. Furious Style (talk) 02:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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