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--SCHZMO ✍ 18:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thank you. --NormanEinstein 20:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Please don't remove speedy deletion notices from articles you have created; it is considered vandalism. Instead, if you don't want them to be deleted, please explain why at the appropriate talk page, and provide evidence that there is any truth to it. - Mike Rosoft 20:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

If Image:Claught of a bird.jpg is supposed to be evidence that the shop is genuine, then you are out of luck. The image is SO obviously fake ... You may not have realized it, but Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia, and your efforts at posting hoaxes are not appreciated. If you want to experiment with your editing skills, please use the sandbox instead. - Mike Rosoft 20:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your comment at Talk:Claught of a bird dairy products: As a matter of fact, your articles look like obvious nonsense; so the burden of proof is on you if you want us to believe that this is not the case. - Mike Rosoft 20:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I already told you: either provide actual evidence, or go post it elsewhere. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not your personal playground. - Mike Rosoft 20:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, exactly what did you expect me to do? To allow the article to stay, when it seemed a priori absurd (can anybody be named "Claught of a Bird"?), and you tried to persuade me that it was genuine using obviously bogus images? (Note: a deleted article can be undeleted, so if you want to provide actual evidence, you'd better do it now.) - Mike Rosoft 21:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Note: The above was not meant as a permission to re-post the article! - Mike Rosoft 21:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Claiming the article to be true, and making up more and more details, does not make it so. - Mike Rosoft 21:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

For the last time, it is up to you to provide evidence/references that the article is true. You can't have me do the research for you. - Mike Rosoft 21:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes but you don't believe anything.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 21:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Why should we believe anything when you can't provide us with any evidence? -Nebular110 21:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Well you should give me time to get some more! I need to talk to some people and what not. You guys just delete right away, so how do you expect me to get info?--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 21:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Enough is enough. I have deleted the article, and protected it against re-creation. If you want to try persuading other users that the store exists, you may try doing so at deletion review. But they'll demand the same from you - namely, proper evidence and references, not just your claims. - Mike Rosoft 22:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Cluff of a bird Dairy Products

Looks like you're trying to push the same stuff as above, just with a different spelling. Consider yourself warned again about creating nonsense articles. Everything Mike Rosoft told you is correct--don't repost without real evidence. -- Scientizzle 22:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I gave real evidence. You idiots are just so thick headed and don't believe it!--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 22:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I am going to be blunt, so sorry in advance: you didn't give diddley squat, apart from your claims. And personal attacks will not help you to undelete the article, they might just get you blocked. - Mike Rosoft 22:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Cluth of a bird dairy products

Again... Consider this your last warning before you will be blocked from editing. -- Scientizzle 22:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

All I said was that I hate you. Im entitled to my own opinion, right? AND I GAVE ALL THE INFO I have right now! You wont let me have time to get more!

WHY AM I BLOCKED?

 cloffs dairy products is a reall store i perchased a chair there

Really, you can't figure out why you're blocked?

Your continued posting of apparent hoax articles (that had no verifiable evidence of notability, let alone existence) is vandalism. Vandals get blocked. Why don't you start over by going to Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines and WP:STYLE, and certainly Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, and read the various topics. Then contribute in a positive manner to the project. -- Scientizzle 22:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

And note that the block only lasts for 5 minutes, to get your attention. - Mike Rosoft 22:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok.

Clauth of a bird dairy products

Will this ever end? -- Scientizzle 23:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

it wasn't me, it was the boss. read the discussion.

Yes, very convincing. -- Scientizzle 23:09, 25

May 2006 (UTC)

So you think it was me, dontcha? Well your gonna regret it, the next time you take a drive in Manitoulin and come across Clauth of a bird Dairy products. Undelete it.

EH? WHY AM I BLOCKED AGAIN?

UNBLOCK ME. I DONT WANNA WAIT TILL TOMORROW.

• For the last time, you can't have us do your research. If you want to persuade us that the shop exists, you'll have to provide evidence - and your (or any other user's) claim does NOT constitute evidence. And you already know why you were blocked: for persistent re-creation of the article, personal attacks, and sockpuppet (ab)use. I am not going to unblock you or restore the article. - Mike Rosoft 08:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

There is no sockpuppet of me. Restore the article. Now. Im the boss here.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 12:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• You are not the boss here. So stop ordering people around, it won't impress anybody. Also, I recommend you not to try re-creating the article after your block expires, or else you may be blocked for good. - Mike Rosoft 13:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Your mom will be blocked for good.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 16:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Im the boss

Ok? Restore the article, now beefore I get angry. You see, I was going to donate 100+$ to this website, however you are beginning to arouse my ire, and therefore I shall reconsider this decision.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 16:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Another Rude Message

You are such an idiot. Why are you doing this to me. You are a disgrace to Clauth of a bird, his company and other natives. You are spitting in the face of his ancestors when you are not accepting this article. What kind of person are you? Whats your problem. Do you enjoy deleting articles that people have put their heart and soul into? Just because you've never visited this store does not prove that it does not exist. I provided information which I recieved from a credible source. It took me countless hours to gather the information and write that article. Are you racist? That might just be the case here. It saddens me that there are people like you in this world.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 19:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• It looks like you have taken the deletion of your article quite personally. But I am afraid I can't help you. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia and it can only use verifiable information. We can't change the rules just because you don't like their results. As a matter of fact you didn't post anything verifiable, just your claims. And insulting people and making threats will not bring you anywhere. Neither will your offer to donate a hundred dollars to Misplaced Pages should your article be restored; we can do without your money. Sincerely, Mike Rosoft 20:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

How

Please, go right ahead and explain why the information in my article wasn't "verifiable". I would honestly like to know. And when did I make threats?--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 21:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• The problem is that you have provided nothing but your claims. WP:VERIFY gives the following example:

A good way to look at the distinction between verifiability and truth is with the following example. Suppose you are writing a Misplaced Pages entry on a famous physicist's Theory X, which has been published in peer-reviewed journals and is therefore an appropriate subject for a Misplaced Pages article. However, in the course of writing the article, you contact the physicist and he tells you: "Actually, I now believe Theory X to be completely false." Even though you have this from the author himself, you cannot include the fact that he said it in your Misplaced Pages entry.

Why not? Because it is not verifiable in a way that would satisfy the Misplaced Pages readership or other editors. The readers don't know who you are. You can't include your telephone number so that every reader in the world can call you for confirmation. And even if they could, why should they believe you?

• I suppose that we might be able to verify the contents by travelling all the way to the Manitoulin Island and asking the people if there was such a shop. (Like the readers from the example could have, in theory, visited the scientist and asked him if he had really abandoned his theory.) However, if nobody neither anybody on the Internet, nor any newspaper has bothered themselves with writing anything about the shop, it indicates that it is not that famous. Please note that Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information and it cannot include every local shop. (That is, if it even exists. And you didn't exactly help your case by including rather implausible claims, and an obviously doctored photo.)
• Regarding the threats, what else was: "Well your gonna regret it" and "Restore the article. Now. Im the boss here" and "Restore the article, now beefore I get angry" ? - Mike Rosoft 21:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

It strikes me as very sad that AppleJuice apparently has nothing better to do with his/her life than insert bogus into Misplaced Pages and then expect others to believe it without presenting a single shred of actual evidence.-Nebular110 22:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

It strikes me as very sad that your mother doesn't love you.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 01:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding edits such as this: You have been blocked for 48 hours for trolling. --InShaneee 01:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I can say what I want. I can edit what I want. It is indeed a very famous shop around Manitoulin. I'm not lying, and if you think I am, then you can prove it yourself. I wasn't trolling. Unblock me.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 01:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

You CAN'T say what you want, and you CAN'T edit what you want, hence why you can't edit anything right now. Misplaced Pages has rules and policies, and if you refuse to follow them, you will stay blocked. --InShaneee 01:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

What was wrong with instulting Nebular110? He insulted me, afterall. --AppleJuicefromConcentrate 01:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Insults are patently unacceptable regardless of the context. Responding with an insult is as bad as making the insult in the first place. Either way, you have shown a pattern of making no useful contributions to the site. --InShaneee 01:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess Nebular110 should be blocked for 48 hours aswell.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 01:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

No, but he should be warned. He is a good editor who said something he shouldn't have; you are a troll who refuses to follow policy. Until you show some good behavior, you won't get cut any slack as far as blocks are concerned. --InShaneee 01:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I am getting sick of being called a troll. Do you know how rude it is calling someone a troll? Well probablly not because it would appear that no one on here has any manners at all.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 01:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

A troll is someone who goes to a website simply to stir up trouble, which is all you have done. --InShaneee 01:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

That wasn't my intention. My intention was to inform people about a wonderful and famous store on Manitoulin Island. However, you people don't take it seriosuly. Instead, you think of it as a mere joke. This is unnaceptable.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 01:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Call it what you like, but we have standards for what can and can't be posted here, and how to deal with things if your article is deleted for being innapropriate, all of which you've violated. --InShaneee 02:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Why can't you just accept the article as real? Then there would be no trouble at all. --AppleJuicefromConcentrate 02:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

There's no question over whether it's 'real'. But lots of things are real. Not everything gets its own article here, especially if it can't prove notability, as your store can't. --InShaneee 02:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Lets make a deal. keep the article up, and I won't cause anymore trouble. That sounds reasonable, doesn't it?--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 02:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I've got a better one: How about I leave it deleted until you can provide sufficient evidence to keep it, and if you keep causing trouble, you stay blocked? --InShaneee 02:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

How about no? You can't tell me what to do.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 02:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

On this site I can. Even better, I can block you for breaking policy. Hence why you're blocked now. --InShaneee 03:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

OH! What did I do now? I hope you hate me.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 03:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you gonna answer me?--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 05:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• It's not a matter of hatred. You have come to our site posting unverifiable information (to put it mildly), and when it was removed, you started insulting and threatening people. And you expect us to appreciate that. So don't be surprised that you have earned yourself a block - several times. Speaking about deals, here's another one for you: the next time you insult anybody, I'll protect this page, preventing you from editing it, until the block expires. - Mike Rosoft 08:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

How about no?--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 12:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• I am afraid this is not up to you to decide ... - Mike Rosoft 12:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I am afraid your request to unblock has been denied; "I want to be unblocked real bad" is not a valid reason to remove your block. - Mike Rosoft 13:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Then what is a valid reason?--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 13:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• Well, if you promised that upon your unblock you wouldn't try to re-create the article (without providing proper evidence), insult people, or otherwise break the rules and policies, then I might consider it. - Mike Rosoft 13:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Allright, I promise that I won't try to recreat the article without proper evidence, insult people or break the guidlines once unblocked.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 13:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• Fine. But be warned: should you violate your promise, you will be immediately blocked again, perhaps indefinitely. - Mike Rosoft 13:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 13:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe I am still blocked.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 13:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• I am sorry, I have forgotten to remove the automatic block of your IP address. - Mike Rosoft 15:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for removing it.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 15:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

You have been warned enough times, so this is your last warning. Wanton unreferenced changes of information, such as the one you have done in Garson, Ontario, constitute vandalism. Should you make more edits of that kind, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages, for an extended amount of time. - Mike Rosoft 20:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't vandalize anything!--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 21:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• Okay. What references do you have that the correct year is 1943, not 1973? - Mike Rosoft 08:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding User:Motorox: I am not unblocking the user. I have placed an unblock request on his page, other administrators may have a look at it. - Mike Rosoft 08:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I happen to live in Garson.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 14:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• This is not enough. Again, you have to provide verifiable references. You have previously engaged in rather disruptive behavior, so don't be surprised that such major changes are met with suspicion. - Mike Rosoft 15:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

OH! Please remove the sock puppet tags from my friends accounts. thanks.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 16:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• No, I won't. Instead, I have filed a request for IP check in order to find out if it's really your sockpuppets. - Mike Rosoft 18:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ds2f(2).png listed for deletion

Your use of the Apple logo is a copyright violation.-- The ikiroid  17:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I worked hard on that logo. You people have no respect.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 19:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you can't upload images that include a corporation's logo unless you're using it in an article about that company. See Misplaced Pages:Fair use for more information about which images are OK to upload or put on userpages. FWIW, it is a cool picture.-- The ikiroid  19:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

can you let it slide just this once?--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 21:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

No, wikipedia doesn't want to get sued by Steve Jobs over the apple logo in that image ;P. We can take it off of the list of images for deletion if you change the apple logo to something else that isn't another company's logo, and than upload the new image.-- The ikiroid  21:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Just delete it and I'll make a new one.--AppleJuicefromConcentrate 21:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'll tell an admin you gave the approval to speedy delete it. Thank you for understanding.-- The ikiroid  21:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)