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| :Doc James, I echo the sentiment that this was inappropriate. If Littleolive oil insists on posting against your will, a block would be appropriate, but it would never be appropriate for you to issue the block, as your statement suggested you would. I know you haven't actually used your tools, but still, if you were to clarify that you won't block, it would put you clearly in the right on admin status and lessen the drama. ] ] 03:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC) | :Doc James, I echo the sentiment that this was inappropriate. If Littleolive oil insists on posting against your will, a block would be appropriate, but it would never be appropriate for you to issue the block, as your statement suggested you would. I know you haven't actually used your tools, but still, if you were to clarify that you won't block, it would put you clearly in the right on admin status and lessen the drama. ] ] 03:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC) | ||
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Female genital mutilationHi James, I was wondering if you'd be willing to return to FGM to help out. User:Middayexpress has arrived there, and is reverting almost all attempts to improve the article, which I'm trying to take to GA status. He's using inappropriate sources, or misusing appropriate ones, sometimes lifting what they say word-for-word without attribution, at other times misreporting what they say. On one occasion when I asked him to post the source material on talk – because he had access and I didn't – he misquoted the source to support his view (by lifting part of the source's sentence out of context; see here). I'm therefore uncomfortable now with anything he adds, but he's reverting most of what I try to fix. I've left a note to try to appeal to him on his talk page (here). Any input would be much appreciated. SlimVirgin 22:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Skin ProblemHi I have been getting these welts on my body for the past 3 months. It seems to be worse on the areas that is warmer and more moist. The MD initially thought that it is a fungus but with the medication it still remains. What could you suggest for me. Could it be Urticaria? I travel into Africa a lot. Skin ProblemHi I have been getting these welts on my body for the past 3 months. It seems to be worse on the areas that is warmer and more moist. The MD initially thought that it is a fungus but with the medication it still remains. What could you suggest for me. Could it be Urticaria? I travel into Africa a lot.
Capitalization of DeafCapitalization of deaf when referring to the group that identify with Deaf culture, compared to people with hearing loss who don't identify with the Deaf community, is culturally appropriate. It is not covered in the MOS as far as I can determine. FlatOut 12:38, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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UTIsThank you for managing this article and for your contributions. However I respectfully disagree about the removal of my previous edits. I feel that if there is a section under "Treatment" for uncomplicated UTIs, there should likewise be a section for complicated UTIs, since they are treated so differently. You're right, some of the info that I added was covered elsewhere in the article. However, if one were to look specifically for how to treat a complicated UTI (as I was, while I was working in the ER the other day), then that person may not have the time to read the entire article to sift out a couple bits of information, under various topics, that could easily be covered in one paragraph under the correct topic. Some redundancy may be necessary and is acceptable. In short, if there is a section entitled "treatment", then everything treatment-related should be covered there. That is the point of a paragraph title. Dryphi (talk) 21:36, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Chocolate and acnePlease see this article from Medscape . I suspect the Diet section needs to be slightly modified to say that the old view of chocolate (viz. that it is unrelated to acne exacerbations) was based on a 1969 study funded by the chocolate industry (as reported by the BBC) and may not be correct. MLPainless (talk) 04:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
The ref in question was not blinded, had no control group, involved 10 people and it appears that they stopped their usually acne medication "Subjects consumed a maximum of 340 g (12 oz, or three standard 4-oz chocolate bars) of chocolate at baseline under the investigator’s supervision and maintained a regular diet for 1 week. Volunteers had no over the counter or prescribed medications for 2 weeks." They had more than one comparitor yet still are trying to use a p of 0.05 "A statistically significant increase in the mean number of total acneiform lesions (comedones, papules, and pustules) was detected on both days 4 (P = .031) and 7 (P = .050) compared to baseline." This is wrong. One needs to use lower p values with more than one primary end pointy. Conclusions one can draw are none. Feel free to ask for further opinions but we do not use popular press or poor quality primary research studies. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 05:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
DocJames is such good sports... he just wants some love, send him a chocolate brownie MLPainless!Booklaunch (talk) 08:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC) EFT edit revertHi Jmh649, You undid my addition stating the information was not notable and asking for an independent source. Please explain why my source lacks independence. As for notability, I also disagree: this is a Reception section, and the information I added does show how EFT is being received/viewed by some therapists. Within the context of the section - where information shown is all negative regarding EFT, a positive reception by any group seems to me quite out of the ordinary. Thanks, Margarida Silva Mmmcsilva (talk) 06:22, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but why is it not suitable? It does show that a group of therapists considers EFT valuable enough to have their members listen to a talk on the subject. Isn't this precisely the point in this section? Why does this source lack independence? Thanks, Margarida Silva (And no, I didn't receive any other comments, if that's what you're asking.) Mmmcsilva (talk) 19:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
I know I'm totally new to this and hence all the questioning. I understand as regards research that secondary sources are used over primary sources (at least in some cases). But why does a primary source like this one not constitute a good source since it's not science we're talking about here? The document does show one factual item: the group did include a talk on EFT. You don't need anyone else saying it to make it any truer. So I still don't get why it isn't a suitable source. Thanks, Margarida Silva Mmmcsilva (talk) 19:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Right. But it isn't the only way, am I correct? Across Misplaced Pages there are many primary sources being used. And this isn't even research, as I mentioned. So, I'm re-asking: the information presented by the source I used is relevant by itself and really not subjective, so why can't it be used? Notability, within the context of this particular page on EFT, is totally self-evident. Margarida Silva Mmmcsilva (talk) 20:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Dear James, That's really quite an extraordinary claim. There are many different types of endorsements, and for many different purposes. Which one are you alluding to? Wouldn't you think that it's safe to say that the group endorses EFT at least to the point of thinking this therapy is interesting enough that its members would benefit from listening to a talk on it? I'd say that otherwise they wouldn't have included it on the program, considering this is a staff development training forum. So I'm betting it is not impossible to determine a certain level of endorsement, and that's all my original text implied. I didn't even include a quote from the program which could be construed as a huge endorsement: "This is a tool that should be in everyone’s “toolbox”!", they say. Thanks! Margarida Silva Mmmcsilva (talk) 13:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Of course the talk represents one person's point of view. It's the decision - by the organizers - to include a talk on this particular topic that says the subject is interesting - in their view - to therapists. The peer review and the publication are non-issues, since we're talking about reception and not about research. Let's not get things mixed up! In this case the organizers thought EFT was interesting enough for their staff development objectives that they included one talk on it. And THIS is what I want to to convey, because I see it as relevant for this section. Not the content of the talk itself.
Agree? It seems really quite obvious.
Margarida
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Dear James, Do you plan on answering? Thanks, Margarida Mmmcsilva (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Dear LSD, Thanks for adding your comment to my discussion with James at http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Jmh649#EFT_edit_revert I'm not arguing for the content of a conference presentations to be used as a source. If you read the thread fully I think you'll find that what I defend is that a sentence be included stating that this particular association included a talk on EFT at a staff development forum. This is a indication of how EFT is being received by one particular sector of society which, I believe, is precisely the idea in this section on Reception. Or am I getting it wrong? Thanks, Margarida
Swahili pageview statsIn short, yes, you can get pageview statistics for the Swahili wikipedia. Stats.grok.se tracks views for all wikimedia projects (the drop down menu doesn't show all). To see the list of most viewed the last month: http://stats.grok.se/sw/top or for an article: http://stats.grok.se/sw/latest/Mwanzo - just change the last part of the url to the page title to go to any other page. henrik•talk 20:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
GarrondoHi, are you an administrator of this? there is this guy Garrondo who reverts everything I do and not only that he makes endless comments, most of them only to generate controversy or provoke a response. I would have stop editting on medicine topic if it weren-t for him. can you tell him to stop doing that? Thanks Booklaunch (talk) 13:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Source questionsI saw your comment about using high quality resources. Is the AHRQ Innovations Exchange not considered high quality? It does provide evidence ratings and disclosures. I also saw your comment about using secondary rather than primary sources. Should primary sources always be avoided? Thanks for your help with best practices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FieldsTom (talk • contribs) 19:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Refs on lead and othersI prefer to have them than not having them, and when I "own" (you understand) an article I have usually included them (as for example in multiple sclerosis). Similarly I am one of those that prefers to add 3 times the same ref to 3 consecutive sentences that only once. However, I also try to follow existing ways, so if there a no refs in the lead of a referenced article, I do not add them or even eliminate a single one if it is a non-controversial fact. A non-related matter: I have been thinking of sending the multiple sclerosis article for the JMIR Wiki Medical Reviews. I believe it qualifies since it is a broad article, that has been adequately updated and could be quite cited. Nevertheless I would need to include it in the 20 slots free of charge, since I have no money for medical publication in my current research job. On the other hand I would also need a few weeks to improve the research section since it is full of outdated info. Do you think it is possible/and or adequate?--Garrondo (talk) 20:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Response to your questionIn response to your question, I didn't say Boghog shouldn't be involved. If you read my comment to him carefully, you'll see that I wrote that I wish he'd discuss major edits on the talk page first. I hesitate for a long time before leaving that comment, but it was at the request of a student who had a lot of complaints about Boghog's disrupting their work. In the long run, it turned out that the student in question was not doing nearly as much as he could have to engage the Boghog directly. In our course page, we talk a lot about communicating with, and working with, outside editors. I suppose I could have done a better job stressing that to the student. Klortho (talk) 02:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
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Gene Wiki botsorry, just have time for a brief reply to your question. We maintain our bot code in this code repository. We have it configured to run once every two days under User:ProteinBoxBot. Happy to answer any other questions you might have. Thanks for the helpful thoughts! Cheers, Andrew Su (talk) 20:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC) LiverThere's been a bit of IP vandalism at Liver over the last day or so, would you consider semi-protecting it for a bit? (History) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 15:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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strep pharyngitis imageHi Dr. Heilman, I'm a third year medical student on my Family Medicine rotation and am giving a talk to other 3rd years and one faculty member on Strep pharyngitis. I was wondering if I had your permission to use the photo on the strep wiki page in my presentation. I am seeking a one time use permission from you. Thanks in advance for considering. 3rd year student, expensive Washington DC medical school — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjm227 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for backing me up RE pulmonary embolism echo/ecg!I'm new to wikipedia and noticed the content was in the wrong spot. So I thought I'd do a quick change and that guy wasn't happy about it... Not sure why! Thanks. 94.193.2.50 (talk) 10:59, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Burn GAI checked out your latest changes, look good. I did some small copyediting, little stuff that would have taken longer to explain to you what needed to be done than for me to just make the change. There's a few requests for clarification and a request to add a bit about home remedies, especially aloe - I think a lot of readers might be pulling up the article and want to know whether aloe works. Everything else looks good. Once these last few bits are done it'll pass as GA.
NIH EventActually, I had relatively little to do with the event. I presented an hour or so of "how to", to the entire group; I reviewed some drafts of what other people were planning and offered suggestions (I think - it's been almost 4 years); and, as you noted, I recruited some Wikipedians to help with the small group sessions where NIH staff did some learning. What I didn't do was interact, at all, with NIH. So I can't say what their level of interest was following the meeting. There seems to be some information about that and here here. But I never heard further that the NIH wanted more hands-on instruction, nor were there any further events at NIH that I know of. Perhaps Frank or others who were directly involved with the NIH can answer your question. I will note that, as is all too common, we (the Wikimedia/Wikipedia team) underestimated the difficulty of doing "Misplaced Pages editing in a nutshell" - that is, of fitting meaningful information and instruction into a very short amount of time. Perhaps if/when the VisualEditor goes live, this won't be so much of an issue. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:38, 18 May 2013 (UTC) TalkbackMessage added 07:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Parkinson's disease imageI have reverted the elimination of the image. Reasons you stated were two-fold: 1-Only 18 subjects in source. This might be valid if it were to use it as a source of content, but it is not. We are not using as a primary source in this sense, but as graphic example of something stated in a secondary source (Braak staging) that has received much more proof than this specific plos article. We could in this sense simply use the top half of the image (which a schema of braak staging) e, but IMO the voxel based morphometry analysis has further value as an example since it is a real one.
I am going to copy this discussion into talk page so we can continue discussion there. Regarding all your other edits, they seem great --Garrondo (talk) 10:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi DocHello Doc, I would like to start a brief dialogue w/ you. What is on my mind ... I do not know the complete backstory of User:Fladrif's block, or his edit history. However, I have read several of his edits, that others have claimed are blatant personal attacks (PAs), and I had to laugh, because well, it was absurd. (No personal attacks that I could find, or, exaggerated characterization on some mild incivilities.) From what I've read (again, not so much), I gather that you understand and/or agree what I'm saying/have observed. (I guess then my Q is, how do you interpret others', Admins', claims of gross incivility and personal attacks by User:Fladrif when, what they cite is, for lack of a more appropriate word, BS?) Thanks for your comment. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC) p.s. Is it more "mob rule" stuff, and Admin hostility, that I've observed many times on the Wiki? Or Fladrif has bad blood going back to edit histories I have not read, so any scrap of anything now is being used manipulatively against him to satisfy agendas? Or? Thanks for your insight. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC) As an aside, this is very interesting: "Fladrif's past history weighed heavily in my original block decision. In my opinion nothing has changed in Fladrif's editing style since the arbitration declaration. That is the primary reason I chose the "indef" option in my block." Ched : ? 01:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC). Because I'm not aware of anything in policy, that warrants blocks based on "editing style" and "past history". (That seems to me, as a new-ish WP editor, grist for WP:RfC/U.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:27, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
ErrorsThose are errors, editing an old version of the page when I meant to remove someone's self-promotional links from the articles. I suppose I should thank you for saving me some trouble by fixing those yourself instead of giving me a chance to fix my own mistakes. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 07:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
WIKI_GATA new threadUser_talk:Ossip_Groth#WIKI_GATA actually running. System is more versatile and nothing has to be upped, only, people have to manage to know about it. Thanks for overall consideration and site critique. My sites could probably enhance wikipedia, but wikipedia definitly enhances my sites. My idea of a complementing symbiosis is current, but I will not priorize my limited personal resources into getting support. --Ossip Groth (talk) 18:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
NIH meetingHi there, I was eavesdropping on the message you left for Tim Vickers about the NIH meeting. Just FYI, our Gene Wiki project at the intersection of Misplaced Pages and human genes is NIH-funded (by NIGMS). Although I'm biased, I think the project's been quite successful for both gathering community contributions and then text mining from the wikipedia pages (e.g., ). Anyway, if any of this would be interesting to you or your NIH audience, feel free to get in touch. I have plenty of slides I could share as well... Cheers, Andrew Su (talk) 18:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
self published bookI do not understand why a self published book is not a good source as a reference. My book on the Yom Kipur War documents events no one else ever did. This includes evacuation of wounded soldiers, triage, PTSD. I have published a review medical article on the Six Days and Yom Kippur Wars in Military Medicine. Brook, I. Calm under pressure and fear under fire: personal experience of a medical officer. Mil Med.;166(12 Suppl):61-2. 2001. Can I use it as reference for related items such as Fear, PTSD, Casualty Evacuation, etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dribrook (talk • contribs) 00:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Your message regarding forest preservation.Sir, I have been interested in preservation of forest since last 30 years.All my medical knowledge came from books I read of gerat authors from developed country like yours. And my obesevations deducted from that knowledge. I have noted that wise people are there to decide the further course of action on my artcles. I think that I am correct in my article regarding forest. Due to Misplaced Pages I could came in contact with modern world and wise people like you are the best judge to accept it or not. I never thought that I will get an oportunity to write some thing like that and so I never concentrated on language part of English. My English is British english and I learned my This thing I made clear to my Supervisor in the begining only. Regards.
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Proper attribution for inter-wikipedia copy and pasteRead this: Misplaced Pages:Copying_within_Wikipedia#Proper_attribution Unless you wrote the entire leprosy article then History of leprosy and Epidemiology of leprosy did not have proper attribution. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/) 07:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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GA, congrats, fine work!