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Capitalization

Moved from Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (music)#Capitalization

Apteva, you seem to have returned to your campaign to deny that the WP:MOS applies to style in titles. This didn't go well for you before, and continuing this kind of disruption, on the edge of your topic ban, is not likely to make anybody happy going forward. So drop the stick, yes? Dicklyon (talk) 17:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The convention page that you link references the style guidelines relevant to band name and song/album name capitalizatin: MOS:CT and MOS:TM. By requesting the removal of this section, you seem to be testing the boundaries of your newly clarified topic ban, which bans you "from advocating against the MOS being applicable to article titles." If that's not the point of what you're doing here by suggesting removal of the section that directly references the relevant MOS sections, what is your point? Why not drop it? Dicklyon (talk) 16:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The section recommending removal of a duplication of NCCAPS was created before the addition referring to MOS was added, and the objection is still valid. The only appropriate change is to replace the section with "See WP:NCCAPS for capitalization, or better, just delete the section. Is it your idea that you can just chase me away from any discussion by adding a link to the MOS? Apteva (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013 - I have blocked you for one month

You seem to be completely incapable of droping your vendetta against Dicklyon. The AE explicitly did not accept your complaint and yet here were are again at ANI with another fatuous complaint of more of the same and failure to back away. Given your unwillingness to compromise, I see no option but to exclude you from editing for a month to demonstrate that the community will not tolerate any further disruption of this type. I'm confident that you will recieve a much longer break if you insist on repeating this behaviour when you return. Spartaz 17:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

What AE said was that of the six statements, three crossed the line, and as a result, Dicklyon was reminded to not continue. Since then there has been no abatement of the inappropriate behavior that has been going on for many years, although looking back at the last RFC/U, at least Dicklyon has not been calling editors names anymore, so that is a huge improvement, but if on a scale of 1 to 10 name calling is a 1 and a 6 is minimum acceptable behavior, they are making progress, but still not acting appropriately. I recommend either long blocks or yet another RFC/U. In my case, blocks are absurd, because I am not the problem, nor is there anything wrong with any of my edits. In the face of all of the incivility I simply respond professionally and report inappropriate actions to appropriate venues, in this case AE and ANI. It is Dicklyon who has been harassing me, and not in appropriate forums, but in guideline and article discussions. Apteva (talk) 17:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Apteva (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Y the block is in fact not necessary to prevent damage or disruption

Y the block is no longer necessary because you understand what you are blocked for, you will not do it again, and you will make productive contributions

Decline reason:

Reviewing the statement you've made, I do not have the necessary confidence to unblock you. You blame the other person for your own misbehavior, and the way you put a limit on your agreement makes me think that as soon as the block would have expired, you would be back to what got us here. As such, I'm going to decline to unblock. SirFozzie (talk) 21:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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• Acknowledging your email. I have removed the gender specific term as requested. Spartaz 20:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

  Thanks. That is very important to me, and it needs to be assumed that it might be important to everyone. It is just basic common courtesy today. Also, I was pretty sure that I had mentioned that, so it made me wonder if the thread was even read before closing it: "It is the results that I am looking for, no calling me by gendered pronouns, no calling me you, no talking about me in a discussion about something else."Apteva (talk) 20:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

  Also, FYI, this is a shared IP, so removing the IP autoblock would help, and have no affect on me, but having it could affect others. Apteva (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

I did not at any time "misbehave" and I am blaming no one for my actions. I was blocked ostensibly to stop me from bringing administrative action against one editor, who has been a problem for a long time, and whom I am willing to avoid during the period of the block. If they are abusing me they are of a certainty abusing others as well and someone else can deal with them, I have no reason to do so. And what ever happened to AGF? It is very clear that if "as soon as the block would have expired, you would be back to what got us here", then what is the point of the block at all? I am not going to return now or ever to "the behavior that got me here", as it was not my behavior that got me here. All we are discussing though, is the period of the block, as what I do after the block expires is not affected by the block, as at that point in time I will be unblocked, and can either choose to self destruct by immediately filing another ANI, etc. and no one is that stupid, not even me. So by declining to unblock, you are categorically saying "I do not believe you", which is the exact opposite of "assume good faith", and extremely poor conduct on the part of any admin. The blocking reason states "Disruptive editing: Complete failure to drop the stick". It is never disruptive to call attention to the inappropriate behavior of another editor. I do a lot of RCP, and no one says, oh I guess vandalism is allowed today, and no one needs to get harassed and say, oh I guess that is acceptable here on Misplaced Pages, and I better not bring it up, because I might get blocked, instead of the offending editor. I really find this an absurd state of affairs for Misplaced Pages to allow. So the choice is lose yet another valuable editor for a month or unblock and allow me to go on being a productive editor. If I ever so much as give any hint of poking the bear, as the expression goes, or initiate any disciplinary actions against this editor during this time period, you and any admin have my full permission to block me as a preventative action. It simply is not going to happen. There are too many things that need to be fixed and too few of us willing to help for me to be willing to let that happen. Apteva (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

TLDR version. I never have done anything inappropriate, and will not give anyone the satisfaction of doing anything that anyone would disapprove of, as there is too much work here that needs to be done. Per WP:AGF it is important to give me the chance to prove that is the case. Apteva (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

In the meantime I will post below edits that if anyone agrees with them they can make. Per blocking policy, they may only be made if you agree that they are something that you would like to do. Apteva (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit requests

Requested move backlog

AC/DC (electricity) – the article is about all AC/DC appliances, and some editors have attempted to co-opt the article to be about only one type of AC/DC appliance, radios and TVs. The question was asked, which I can not answer, how is 12 V a "mains". Well for anyone who is a trucker, or RVer, they will know, that they plug in their refrigerator, TV, radio, and everything else into the DC circuits just like someone on AC power plugs in their appliances, but they are plugging them into a DC circuit instead of an AC circuit. Also, space stations use a 48 volt DC bus as their "mains" wiring, I believe. (the ISS uses a 160 volt DC mains) And I do know that some electronics has a 300 volt DC bus that is used for that purpose, so DC is very much used for distribution today, both for short distances and long distances (HVDC transmission lines). Basically the lead needs to be fixed like this to reflect the article title, and if warranted, the stuff about radios and TVs can be split into a sub-article. Most of the article is about one type of five tube radio that was both AC/DC. The IPs causing the edit war need to be respected just like every other editor, though. This is somewhat a niche subject area (AC/DC appliances) of which there are many users but few experts, and fewer still who are experts who are willing to edit Misplaced Pages. Note to editors, it would be helpful to add a history section, and in it include reference to the origin of the band name AC/DC, with a reference. (the AC/DC article needs to have this referenced too. If it is, I did not see where it is) Apteva (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Users are not co-opting the article into anything. The article was written specifically to address exactly what it currently covers. It never has covered anything else so there is nothing to co-opt. A discussion was held on the talk page whether to expand the scope and there was a clear concensus not to do so. The rest of your rant is just bollocks attempting to divert attention from the real goal. The idea of the international space station having a 420km long lead to connect it to a mains supply is just plain whacky. I B Wright (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I am guessing that the article title has changed, but when it was written it was only about AC/DC electronics, but that was quickly changed to AC/DC equipment, which is a broader topic. Electrical includes appliances and electronics, appliances only appliances, although a radio could be considered an appliance. If there was an article called AC/DC electronics there would still need to be a broader article about AC/DC (electrical). I believe that originally a slash (/) was not allowed in article titles, but this was created in 2008, probably long after that restriction no longer existed. Is I B Wright really an appropriate username? I mean I know that sometimes I might be right, but all the time? I see it has been in use since 2006, but 747 is not a whole lot of edits, and if it becomes a problem, a new one can be chosen using the WP:CHU/Simple process. There is way too much incivility going on at the talk page. I would assume that the editor, who has been editing the article for some time, who did the revert of the IP edit revert was not even aware of this user talk page, but if they wander this way they can confirm or deny that. I am not going to summon them hither. The ISS generates its own power from solar panels. Where power comes from does not determine if it is a "mains" or not. Apteva (talk) 17:13, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

The article title has never changed. The article scope has never changed. It was written from day one to cover AC/DC vacuum tube receivers and nothing else. One or two editors have tried to expand the coverage, but it has been quickly reverted. Why do you believe that I B Wright is not an appropriate account name? The international space station's power arrangements are a complete red herring. Any equipment on board is designed to run from a 48 volt DC supply only (if indeed that is the supply system). None of it is likely to have been designed to run from any AC system if there is not AC supply on board. In any case vehicle supplies (of whatever size) are never described as 'mains' electricity. However, since you now are officially a disruptive editor, there is no need to continue this pointless discussion further. I B Wright (talk) 14:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

{{cent}} is getting too long to serve its purpose and needs to be trimmed to fewer items. Apteva (talk) 14:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Strike MF's ban from AS RfA as superceded by the motion above. (the ban is moot because the RfA is closed now, and can for that reason alone be struck as no longer applicable, but if AS should try again, EC should be allowed per current restriction to participate) Apteva (talk) 14:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Requested move template needs to be subs't for the reason to display at WP RM

To fix these, remove /dated, and add subst:, delete the dup sig that is created:

{{subst:Requested move|A Lot Like Love}}

• Talk:A Lot like Love#Move?
• Talk:Augusta Charter Township, Michigan#Move?

Next steps

Obviously Misplaced Pages does not care about Misplaced Pages. This is completely counterproductive and completely unacceptable. I encourage anyone reading this to contact the two admins who made this deplorable decision to forgo the best interests of Misplaced Pages for what? For nothing, and encourage them to reconsider. Unbelievable, really truly unbelievable. Apteva (talk) 05:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Apteva, but no. WP:STICK, making others waste their time on things they don't want to, facetious complaints about how someone references you, sounds like schoolyard "doesn't play well with others". whatever your valid points and the unfairness & bastardry, you stuck your head up too far too often. Take it on the chin. When you're back, try a different style and we'll all be good. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

How is it a waste of time ever to point out that someone else is not playing well with others, in an appropriate forum? Had I not sought action against that editor, they would just keep right on doing that. The problem, though is not that editor, it is how Misplaced Pages deals with incivility, which we are working on in an ongoing RfC (background). As pointed out in 2012 by Arb motion, what we are doing is unacceptable, and frankly, blocking me for not being willing to tolerate unacceptable behavior is just more than bizarre. As noted, WP:STICK does not apply to vandals and incivility. The editor in question has been through two RFC/U's and by reading the second one their behavior probably has improved, but it still is far from acceptable, and they do not even know what to do themself, even though the answer is right after the question. Stop being uncivil, that is the answer. By having WP reject the ANI and block me is simply a classic case of adding insult to injury. I am here to help the project, and blocking me is an extremely counterproductive move, and really needs to be seen as one of Misplaced Pages's stupidest's moves. Apteva (talk) 12:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Apteva (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

*The block did not meet requirements of blocking policy, as it was punitive, not preventative.

*There is no indication that editor will "return to what got them here".

*Editor is well aware that any violation of this trust "will not go well" (a block then would be deserved, as that would be a preventative block, not a punitive block).

All I am saying, is that in the interest of Misplaced Pages, give me a chance to prove that the unblock was warranted. Everyone deserves that much.

Background information: Editor is a content creator, copy editor, and vandal patroller, who filed AE/ANI requests repeatedly asking for civility enforcement actions, all of which were rejected. Editor recognizes that approach was not working and will "drop the stick" with the hope that a miracle will occur, and everyone will miraculously start being civil (stranger things have happened). Seriously, though, there is an ongoing RFC on the issue, and user will wait until it ends (this could be months or years even) and be very careful in following whatever the recommendation is at that time. User will also, and in the meantime, be careful to disengage from any other editor as needed, as a surefire way of avoiding incivility.

Decline reason:

Having reviewed the AN/ANI threads, the contributions, and a variety of past such threads, it would appear quite obvious that you have been provided MANY MANY chances to prove in the past that the block is unwarranted. I'm not sure how clear "stop or else be blocked" (which is basically what has been said a dozen or so times) was unclear. You refused to stop. Indeed, it took this block to magically get you to understand? No - I doubt that. This block is WHOLLY PREVENTATIVE in nature, and is unfortunately well overdue. Do not ever believe that your positive contributions can outweigh the destructively negative behaviours - they cannot. As Misplaced Pages is a long-term work-in-progress, protecting the project and its editors from abuse for a month will not be harmful in the long run (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Slow period to get help

Hi, Wikid77 here. Well, I was coming to talk with you, after 5 months, to discuss retracting the useless short-line topic ban, and prepare for your next RfA session, but I see the lull in user activity, with many people on summer break or vacations, has again put you at the mercy of admins with nothing else to do. Beware Christmas and May/June school breaks, when admins get itchy fingers to block people. Now, if Arbcom had acted appropriately, when I warned them you were in continued danger of being further wp:wikihounded (after many rounds to get you both topic-banned AND blocked AND insulted), and if Arbcom had used some far-reaching insight to warn the daily admins to beware schemes to block you, then all this could have been avoided. Clearly, there is insufficient awareness among the admins, about all the games played around WP:MOS. BTW: Google is now showing normal short-line marks in 839/850 (98.7%) of matching webpages, where the rare fringe marks are almost exclusively the peculiar WP:MOS style. At least this will be remembered as a landmark case, where Misplaced Pages was completely out-of-touch with the world at large. I am working to get WP policies to seek true consensus, and beware loopholes which empower balderdash. I regret that so many other normal people are on breaks or vacations now, and there are few active this month to assist you. I know you spend most of your time planning for major ways to improve Misplaced Pages, but this might be a good time to search "criticism of Misplaced Pages" to study various complaints (even if minor), while you are prevented from directly helping in major activities this month. Try to turn their mistakes into a positive experience for the long run. Education of others has always been a struggle against darkness. As Plato said, Those having torches will pass them on. I hope you can find more pleasant ways to spend this time. Next time, "Beware the Ides of May". -Wikid77 (talk) 04:56, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

• The basic flaw in your premise is that I'm closer to 50 then I am 40 and that I haven't been at school for over a quarter of a century but please don't let facts get in the way of your posturing. Spartaz 14:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
• Agreed. The rant above is built on false premises. SirFozzie (talk) 22:19, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

RfA

Hi there. Like said, wait until your block expires for you to do all the actions I told you to do. AquaLogoOfTwitter (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2013 (UTC)