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Black Mamba

Hi! Sorry to disturb you.

Thank you for telling me the problems that I made during my editing on the black mamba article last time and I completely understand your meaning.

I've put some suggestions on the talk page of the article where I believe there're several problems existing, but no one gave any response. So, I'd like to have your comments there so that I can know if my suggestions are valid or not. Sorry to add such work for you.

Thank you !

Toxic Walker (talk) 00:22, 16 June, 2012 (UTC)

Your request at the helpdesk

Hi Roger. I'd be happy to redact the insulting edit summary you mentioned, but I'm going offline for a half-hour or so now - gotta eat... Drop a link to the article or diff in question on my talkpage and I'll deall with it when I get back, otherwise pick a random admin from the list and point them in the right direction. If it's really severe, you can also email oversight as well. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:57, 24 October 2012‎ (UTC)

The Casspir

Please don't vandalize this article. As I state on that article's "talk" page the use of the pre-1994 flag in this case is corect, appropriate, and is in keeping with the precedent sent in other military/weapon related articles. Hal Turner Fan (talk) 1010, 4 March 2013 (CST)

You'd be well advised to look up what WP:Vandalism really is before you repeat such unwarranted accusations to anyone less tolerant than myself. You would probably also benefit from reading WP:AGF too. The 1928 flag is ok for labelling the Origin of items developed in SA before 1994 but not for illustrating SA as a Current user. Your analogy with Germany is invalid because the Third Reich, FDR and GDR are/were three different countries. Take a look at the Soviet Union and its many successor countries for further examples. Roger (talk) 20:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

"Beyond the scope of this article"

Hi... you wrote "the article must not discuss itself, only its subject". The sentence you object to IS discussing the subject. There is no question that statements like "Popular Science magazine has reviewed this article and found it worthy" are out of place, but is one sentence mentioning that the article does not cover a particular related subject really out of bounds? Where is this written? The closest I could find was WP:SELFREF, but that refers to articles that mention Misplaced Pages, not themselves. Jeh (talk) 22:55, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Just btw, a Google search for

"beyond the scope of this article" site:en.wikipedia.org

finds almost 11,000 occurrences. Even if this usage is wrong, it has a lot of company. Jeh (talk) 23:11, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Talk:Comparison of fighter aircraft

Lol Twinkle. I put this one to bed and closed it out. Let me know if I missed anything. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 13:29, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! But I really don't know where Twinkle posts what when it executes an AfD nomination - there may be some fallout in places I don't know about. Is it unreasonable to expect Twinkle to be intelligent enough to warn the user that they's nominating the wrong page? Roger (talk) 13:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I did miss one bit, but it got taken care of here. Having never used Twinkle, I couldn't say - but it should be simple to not use certain templates in certain namespaces - you'd think, anyway. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 16:23, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I went into such a panic I completely forgot all about the "housekeeping" Speedy templates - ironically also made easy by Twinkle. It's actually a very useful little toolbox I've been using for quite some time, today I discovered a weakness in it. Roger (talk) 16:38, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

So you did! But it's really not a huge deal. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 16:57, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Editing assistance

Hi Dodger, your being a fellow Northern Cape wikipedian and one with experience, I wonder if you could help me with an edit. I have only recently attempted inserting a picture into an article (St Cyprian's Cathedral, Kimberley). I am not sure where I went wrong, as the picture appears twice! Would be glad to have your advice/guidance! All the best. Blarcrean (talk) 10:21, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

That infobox image field requires only the file name without any formatting or embellishments. The size and caption are entered in separate fields. Infoboxes are unfortunately inconsistent in the way they handle images. BTW that image takes me back to school days - my matric dance was in the hall next to the cathedral. Roger (talk) 10:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Roger - also for edit suggestions. Interesting that your matric dance was in the hall alongside - which school were you at?Blarcrean (talk) 11:29, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

External Links

Hi Rodger, im sure your've seen that airports in south africa dont have dedicated websites, all airports run of the acsa site, i have put together the neccessary features that one would require from an airport site, if you visit my site (King Shaka International) you would see what i mean. please give me feedback,

Thanx V — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.203.162.33 (talk) 04:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Please see point 11 of WP:ELNO - The ACSA pages are the official sites - no matter how good or bad you think they are. Your site is not by a recognised authority so it is not allowed. You added the link to the wrong article anway - the article about the old Durban International Airport, not King Shaka International Airport. Roger (talk) 13:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Arctic Kangaroo 13:44, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted your deletion of my queries re SAS Umkhonto, and spelt out my reasons for doing so

Just to let you know, in case you wish to discuss the matter further (which should be done on the SAS Umkhonto Talk page), I have reverted your deletion of my queries re SAS Umkhonto, and spelt out my reasons for doing so - you can find it all here. Tlhslobus (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to waste my time discussing it with an editor who has been active here for several years but still doesn't know the difference between hatting and deletion. Thanks, but no thanks. Roger (talk) 21:44, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake, sorry. It's the first time I've come across the term Hatting (I have been around for a few years, but I haven't been particularly active until recently). So thanks for the info. Please feel free to hat it again, or archive it, or whatever you deem fit. I've added in a word to this effect in the discussion there 'for the record' (basically just a copy of this current comment, plus a few extra lines). I may or may not eventually try to re-formulate my query in a manner that tries harder to conform to Talk guidelines. Again, my apologies. Tlhslobus (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Hello Mr Roger, I will be celebrating my birthday on 19 March. So, I would like to give you a treat. If you decide to "eat" the cookie, please reply by placing {{subst:munch}} on my talk page. I hope this cookie has made your day better. Cheers! Arctic Kangaroo 15:41, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

No refname for single cite

I saw your statement at the help desk that one should not use a rename if a cite is used once. I've developed a habit of always using a refname, so that if I need to use it again, it is there. Can you explain the rationale behind not using a rename? What does it hurt? Is this written somewhere? --SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:49, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

It creates extra clutter that just gets in the way of editing the text. AFAIK it's not written anywhere as a prohibition as such, but it is by definition used to repeat cites (i.e. reduce clutter) so using it on a non-repeating cite is simply pointless and counter to the whole reason for it existing at all. Roger (talk) 20:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I actually think it reduces clutter, but I need to explain that. I almost always use WP:LDR style refs. (As an aside, while editors adding to an established article should be cognizant of the style in use, so I probably would do something different if all existing ref were Harvard style, the LDR style is compatible with the standard way most editors edit.)

I think LDR requires a name.

As an example, look at an article I was working on currently: Clara Gregory Baer. The fourth edit is the first one that has not been used more than once. The ref in the text is

< ref name=NCAA/>.

If I didn't give it a name, it would have to be:

< ref>NCAA Women's Basketball, access date 24 January 2007< /ref>

Which is much longer. I accept that the total count of characters, counting both the stub in the main text, and the proper ref down in the reflist is a bit longer, but the LDR style materially reduces the clutter in the edit window, which is I think what concerns you.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:28, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

WP South Africa in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject South Africa for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 06:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse

Sorry about that. I was trying to put some sections at the top that had been posted at the bottom. I didn't notice I accidentally put a section inside another section.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Goodluck Jonathan

Hi Roger. Would you be able to comment any further on the Goodluck Jonathan BLP discussion? I'd like to continue working on the page, but wanted to get everything settled before I do. Dreambeaver(talk) 19:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Am I crazy to be considering volunteering for adminship?

Dear Talk Page Stalkers

What do you guys think of the idea of me putting my hand up to become an admin?

I'm not as active in WikiProjects as I used to be. My involvement with articles has also reduced to mostly routine wikignome work. I'm doing more "off mainspace" things these days (Help Desk, AfD, AfC Reviewing, etc.) and I think this may renew and expand my interest in WP.

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You're nuts!---Are you sure?---Umm ok---Why not?---Go for it---You'd be great!

My current feeling about the idea is around a 6.5 on the above scale. I'd like some input from people who have interacted with me often enough to be watching this page. Push my "score" up or down to help me decide. Roger (talk) 16:00, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

• Go for it - you will be fantastic at it. You have the knowledge of WP and the way you do with people is ideal for an admin. Gbawden (talk) 07:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

• Go for it. You will do well. I'm harsh on admins and only count a few as being trustingly in my corner. I was an accidental tourist here today and although I showed up with my fur raised, I was treated kindly. All the best Fylbecatulous talk 17:54, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

You will do well! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 01:30, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Shweta Wahi

I undeleted and moved it to a sandbox. No big deal, I just didn't see the help desk thread before I deleted it. James086 10:26, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Glad it's resolved. Roger (talk) 11:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: User:Korahlucky6/KORAH BABU VARGHESE

Hello Dodger67. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Korahlucky6/KORAH BABU VARGHESE, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. Thank you. — Mr. Stradivarius 08:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

re: SANDF and recent/current events in the Central African Republic

Hi, yes I think the recent events merit a page of its own which can link to other relevant articles. The thing is I haven't been following recent events and it probably needs an author with more interest in the subject. g Gbawden (talk) 06:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

• I see someone has started South African military assistance to the Central African Republic. Gbawden (talk) 07:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Aaron Robinson (composer)

Roger, while I will forgo placing a warning template for removal of unaddressed maintenance tags, please spend some time familiarizing yourself with bare URLs and link rot. While the references may be properly formatted, they neglect to provide information, the inclusion of which often protects from link rot. Cindy(need help?) 21:11, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

The refs all seem to comply with the standard {{cite}} series of templates, if that does not "cure" linkrot then the problem is with the templates - which are used on literally millions of pages on WP. If it really is a problem it is far larger than just this article and should be discussed at a higher level. What additional information is required to fix the issue? As I understand it - using the Cite templates is the cure for linkrot, but if that's not so the majority of articles on WP are in serious trouble. Roger (talk) 08:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

• No, actually, the citation templates do not cure the link rot at all. The templates merely help with formatting and provide editors with prompts to include full and accurate citations. Full citations are the cure for addressing link rot. Without full citations, it is very difficult to resolve link rot. Vital information for online sources includes the article title, author, publisher, the date of publication, and the date the source was accessed. For books, we don't need access dates, i.e., link rot doesn't occur with printed sources. That said, we need information like page numbers, author, article title, name of publication. We need to have the full citation in order to accurately verify the article's content, attributed to the specific citation. If we don't have the full citation, we lack verification. It's not a template issue, but the failure or neglect of editors to accurately use the citation templates. Here's a "how to" page that provides a bit more information on how to address and avoid link rot: WP:LINKROT. Hope this helps. Best regards, Cindy(need help?) 10:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Supplied link to Facebook help desk on Misplaced Pages help desk

Does not work.--Launchballer 21:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

That link is generated by the {{facebook}} template so it needs to be corrected. Roger (talk) 08:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

So I've fixed it; I'm currently using a school computer, so I have no idea what the link to the actual help desk. If you see this before I get home, update Template:Facebook/sandbox and put it into mainspace.--Launchballer 13:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

A page you started has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Amici Dance Theatre Company, Dodger67!

Misplaced Pages editor FoolMeOnce2Times just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

Nice article and great topic.

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Please do not patronise me, I'm not a newbie who needs a pat on the head and a cookie. Your over hasty minor edit could have waited, it caused a large edit conflict for me.

Wow! As an experienced editor, you probably already know that your page was moved to the new page que which is where I picked it up. Sorry for the compliment. --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 16:28, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, it's the first time any of my new articles was edited by someone else so soon after I first created it. If I may offer you a word of advice, please let a newly created article get a little bit older before doing an edit on it. Give the original creator some time to finish their initial edits - watch the history and wait until there has been no edits for a while. Roger (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Understood. Not to "patronize" you more, but the article looked great which is why I went forward. I thought it had been completed. Sorry for any confusion and thanks for the advice. --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 16:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you from a talk page stalker!

A hissy kitten for you for being so grumpy to the poor hapless editor above my post who was so unfortunate to have reviewed your new article with page curation. :(( Well I learned something worthwhile. I'll never click through and leave a cheery note to an editor when I'm reviewing. All the best on your quest for adminship and editor review. Meow...

Fylbecatulous talk 17:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Grumpy, moi? I plead guilty, your honour, but also plead extenuating circumstances: My day began with having to reconstruct the entire content of a notebook with a hard drive failure, that blew away my entire work-day, I achieved none of my "regular" work today. Then I get home and settle down to some relaxing Wiki-writing only to get whacked with a large edit conflict when I was least expecting it. I offer my most humble aplogies with grovels and kow-tows. Kitty and I will now destress and share a large glass of milk. Roger (talk) 17:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for receiving the gift of my kitten in the right humour, then. ツ I wish you well. Fylbecatulous talk 17:46, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Nando's Edits

Hi Dodger67, all changes I made yesterday were in accordance with the new nandos.com website launched this week. All restaurants in Kuwait, Lebanon, Turkey, Malawi and Nigeria have now closed. Nando's in Kenya closed years ago. Please can you revert my changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jc sed8d (talk • contribs) 23:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

If you'd used an WP:Edit summary like you're supposed to then you can explain your edits properly. Roger (talk) 06:24, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

MOWAG Shar & MOWAG Roland

Hello, I createt the 2 Articels MOWAG Shark and MOWAG Roland. You have markt this 2 articels with the coment that they have no reliable sources. I can't understand why you have made this. On both articels i have given the references = sources

on one hand i have given the 2 Books Foss, Christopher F. Jane's Armour and Artillery 1987–88. London: Jane's Yearbooks, 1987. ISBN 0-7106-0849-7. Marcus Bauer, Nutzfahrzeuge der MOWAG Motorwagenfabrik AG, Fachpresse Goldach, Hudson & Company, 1996 ISBN 9783857380563

I personaly own one example of the Book Nutzfahrzeuge der MOWAG Motorwagenfabrik AG. A ISBN Listet Book I in my eyes a reliable source. You can copy past the title of the book by google picture serach and you will see that this books realy exist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.1.75.33 (talk) 14:40, 10 April 2013 (UTC) Also I add the Military Museum Full.. everyone can visit this Museum see the Prototypes of this APCs and read the informations about it on the Informations written in the Museum.

Please notice also that in the German Misplaced Pages pages about this Vehicles exist.

Thanks 85.1.75.33 (talk) 14:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I know one of the books well, the problem is not that the article has no sources - it is that you have not done any actual referencing from those sources. The English Misplaced Pages requires WP:Inline citation to show which part of the text is based on which source. See WP:REFB for easy guidance on how to do it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I now understand. I tried to connet the parts of the text with the refernces Unfortunatly I have a problem. I put in the text the reference "links2 woh should lead to the refernces listet on below of the page . but all have the number 1 and goes to Marcus Bauer , (but one should go to Foss Christopher and one (together again with a reference to Marcus Bauer because the vehicles specifications are listet in the Book AND in the Military Museum). I am sorry i am not used to do this ref lists and english is not my native language, so I am thankfull if yoou are patience with me. 85.1.75.33 (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I think I have solved my problem, it would be nice if you have again a look at the 2 Articels MOWAG Shark and MOWAG Roland. If this is better now or what i still have to do. Thank you. (BTW i have prepared a few drafts for articels about other vehicels from MOWAG). 85.1.75.33 (talk) 18:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello I have a problem about the MOWAG SHARK article. I build in the references like you sayed, and put the article again on for Submission but now J.meija rejectet it by saying it looks like a advertisment (but i used only the history and tecnical datas and this vehicle never went into production) als he says it need interpendent printet refences but the article has alredy the 2 books (who are interpendent from the Company MOWAG) listet as references. I don't knew what to do its realy frustrating running in such much difficulties for writing just about one vehicle . 2A02:1205:5014:B210:8D59:2987:8812:2848 (talk) 01:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you

Hi Roger, thanks for your suggestion (done) and for seconding my award. My first barnstar was a bribe so I don't think I'll copy that one across. :) Helen (talk) 11:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Cape Town International Jazz Fest

Hey, man! I saw on the WikiProject South Africa page that you wanted help with the article, so I added some information and tabulated the Cape Town Jazz Fests in chronological order (it just looks neater), so if there's anything else you might need, let me know on my talk page! Look forward to building this article up with you! :) Aleksandar Bulovic' (talk) 21:20, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for jumping in. I'm off to bed soon, I'll be away from my PC for a few days so I'm quite interested to see what you've done with it by the time I get back. I like the table for the "basic" info, then we can add text sections for History, Controversies, and so on. Do you know when it was branded the Cape Town North Sea Jazz Festival? A bit of detail on the relationship with the event in the Netherlands would be great - if you can find it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll do what I can! I've done a lot of work for the Oppikoppi article and I created the RAMFest article, so I have a bit of experience finding information on local music festivals. I will try and fill up information where I can, although I am certain that in its early years, the CTIJF was poorly documented. Will do my best in any case. Aleksandar Bulovic' (talk) 21:31, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I've done a helluva lot of work on the CTIJF page, and dare I say it, it might be good enough to be moved into an article space. All that is required is to perhaps add some pictures to it (although I don't know how to find pictures that aren't copyrighted, so I'll leave that to you? Haha) and maybe some format/copy editing. :)

I have populated the entire table with relevant information (and citations for the info, obviously), did some research on its history as the North Sea Jazz Festival and how and why it's now the Cape Town International Jazz Festival. I've also added a few lines of trivia. Pretty much everything in the article is now verified with a large number of citations. Let me know what you think! Aleksandar Bulovic' (talk) 15:03, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/BBVA Foundation Frontiers of Knowledge Awards

Could you please be more specific about what is unreliable in the submission? Everything is on the prize website, and I also included news of prize reception. I will really appreciate any further information. It is unimaginable that such a prestigeous prize does not have an entry in Misplaced Pages. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yu1266 (talk • contribs) 08:17, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I posted a comment explaining the problem on the page - you have not used and independent sources. Please use the Help desk to discuss this, not my personal page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Islamic Azad University Khorasgan Branch (Isfahan)

Dear Dodger67, As you mentioned I added some references to the University article. I would be grateful if you check. I am still searching and trying to add more references. Please tell me your idea and guide me if you feel necessary. Thank you for your patience and kind attention. Regards, Mehrnazar Mehrnazar (talk) 08:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)mehrnazar

I posted a comment explaining the problem on the page - you have not used any independent sources. You can use sources in other languages, not only English, I imagine there will be many sources available in Farsi. Please use the Help desk to discuss this further, not my personal page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Educational inequalities in South Sudan

Thank you so much for the additions and edits that you made to the Educational inequalities in South Sudan page. I wrote it by myself, and I'm relatively new to writing Misplaced Pages pages, so I think the changes you made are great. I appreciate your help! Feel free to continue as you see fit! ChloeCBlaskiewicz (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)ChloeCBlaskiewicz

Now you know where to find me if you need any more help. I'll keep an eye on the article and jump in if something goes wrong but you seem to be managing quite well. You can also consult the folks at WP:WikiProject South Sudan, although it's not a very active project currently there are a few knowlegable editors that watch the Project's Talk page. It's bedtime for me now... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Islamic Azad University Khorasgan Branch (Isfahan)

Dear Roger, hello I made some changes to the passage eliminating promotional words and somewhere rewriting the subject. I tried the text to be informative. I Used deferent references (both English & Persian). Please check if its ok I would appreciate confirming it.Thanks for your kind attention. Regards Mehrnazar (talk) 07:22, 27 April 2013 (UTC)Mehrnazar (sorry I had forgotten to not put message in your personal page) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehrnazar (talk • contribs) 07:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your note. If you have resubmitted the draft it will be reviewed again (the backlog is down to about 6 days now), however I won't be the reviewer this time - it's not good to have the same person reviewing every time because that may result in the reviewer's biases being reflected in the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:28, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Multiple pages

Hey there

I have been working on the ZANEWS wiki page for some months now, trying to get it just right. I then noticed last week that wiki has published another ZANEWS page. Information on this page is also incorrect. Please assist.

Here is the page wiki published: http://en.wikipedia.org/ZANEWS

Here is the page I am working on http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/ZANEWS NuggetBerrisford (talk) 07:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I must agree your version is definitely better. I'll ask for some advice and get back to you asap. BTW saying "wiki has published" is not really correct. From the history of the new article it's clear that it was created directly in mainspace so it did not go through any review process. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Roger for getting back to me so promptly. Look forward to hearing back from you. NuggetBerrisford (talk) 07:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Image to infobox

Hey Roger Another quick question. I want to upload an image to my infobox. How do I find an image of subject that is copyright free? I have made contact with the company and they said they will supply me with one. I've read up on how to do this, but I just can't get my head around it. Please help. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/ZANEWS

NuggetBerrisford (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Getting the right permissions for a donated image can be a major pain in the butt so maybe that's not the ideal way to go. You can use certain types of copyright images, such as official logos, under the fair-use conditions but the process is an, only slightly lesser, PITA. I've just struggled with the same issue in my latest article The Cost of Living (2004 film). I think let us first just get the article into mainspace, then we can figure out the image issue. Fair use images are not allowed in drafts anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay great, thank you Roger for all your help. In that case I am resubmitting my page straight away. Fingers crossed. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/ZANEWS NuggetBerrisford (talk) 09:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Then I'll add a review note about the problem with the other article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

APC and IFV

Hi Dodger, I saw you have been reverting my edits to MRAP, fire support and infantry mobility vehicles. An APC is different from an MRAP vehicle (as i.e. the Casspir). The main difference being that APCs transport infantry on the battlefield, while MRAPs transport infantry to the battlefield. As for the Rooikat: IFVs and APCs carry infantry, while the Rooikat does not. Therefore even though the Rooikat is an Armoured Fighting Vehicle it is neither an IFV nor an APC. noclador (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I just saw that you reversed the deletion of the AFV template; good move! I think this template needs a cleanup too; i.e. the Stryker and the Fuchs do not belong in there. Also I was thinking of creating a new template for all the various MRAP vehicles and a template for the Light Armoured Patrol Vehicles (for which there is not yet an article). noclador (talk) 14:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

hmm, maybe we should also create a template for Modern Fire Support vehicle? That would be a small template as only the AMX 10 RC, EE-9 Cascavel, ERC 90 Sagaie, B1 Centauro, M1128 Mobile Gun System, Rooikat and VBC-90 are modern wheeled fire support vehicles. noclador (talk) 14:43, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The Armoured fighting vehicle article is seriously confused about what it's actual subject is! AIUI an AFV is an armoured vehicle that is armed with a main weapon heavier than a machine gun (usually turret mounted), does not carry infantry, and is smaller/lighter/less armed and armoured than a tank. The classic "armoured car" concept although most modern AFVs are much larger than Ferrets. It may be wheeled or tracked, e.g. FV107 Scimitar and Bradley Fighting Vehicle and it's role may be a mix of fire support and/or recce. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

BTW, MRAPs are just APCs or IFVs with a particular type of armour protection - V-hulls or other means of protecting against explosions below the vehicle (mines and IEDs). The Casspir (and others like it) is an MRAP APC, although it predates the MRAP terminology by 30-odd years. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yep, the Armoured fighting vehicle article is in need of a major overhaul. I began with adding to the IFV and APC articles the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) definitions of what an APC and IFV actually is. As for AFV the CFE Point 1D calls it "heavy armament combat vehicle" and defines it as "an armoured combat vehicle with an integral or organic direct fire gun of at least 75 millimeters calibre, weighing at least 6.0 metric tonnes unladen weight, which does not fall within the definitions of an armoured personnel carrier, or an armoured infantry fighting vehicle or a battle tank."

MRAPs are APCs as they carry infantry, but at least within NATO they are considered different types of vehicles: an APC will carry infantry on the battlefield and will fight on the battlefield; while MRAP vehicles will carry infantry through hostile territory to the battlefield and then wait outside the battlefield. Most MRAPs are to high and offer too good a target to be actually employed on the battlefield. noclador (talk) 15:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Nevertheless MRAP is a subtype of APC - they are armoured, they carry troops. APCs in general are not used "on the battlefield" anyway - that's the defining difference between APC and IFV. BTW Your last comment would be laughed at by the South African Army - where the concept originated. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I split the template into 4 templates to put the various vehicles into more fitting groups:

• Wheeled infantry fighting vehicles and armoured personnel carriers
• Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles
• Wheeled armoured combat vehicles
• Wheeled armoured reconnaissance vehicles

A further template was needed for Armoured Jeeps as i.e. the Ocelot. So I created a template provisionally named Modern light tactical vehicles, but I did not yet add this template to any article. Basically that last template groups armoured cars and Jeeps together. If you would like to improve/edit the templates, please feel free to do so. noclador (talk) 13:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

LittleMato

Hello, I am really sorry to waste your time, but I have a serious problem with my article, it is getting really crazy, I can't get it approved for an year now :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Stefan_Valev

You guys always ask for references, but the problem is:

I am talking about a person in Bulgaria. FYI Bulgaria is a country that (almost) didn't have any internet before 1990. How am I supposed to find web references about things that have been happening before that? Even now nobody cares about the past, nobody is creating websites about institutions or people that are history. There are no books in Amazon.com, there are no historical or govt websites as a reference.

Does that mean we have to completely skip this part of the Bulgarian life and history and people (famous) just because Bulgaria is/was not a "modern" country? Please tell me how and what should I do to get this job done, it is getting absolutely outrageous, I am in 'paragraph 22' situation.

Best, LittleMato (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)LittleMatoLittleMato (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Has nobody ever told you in a whole year that references do not have to be online? You can use newspapers, magazines, academic journals, books. As long as it has actually been published by a reputable source, it can be used. There are articles on the English Misplaced Pages that reference inscriptions on gravestones that are hundreds of years old. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. Can you please clarify (sorry if my questions sound stupid, I just cannot break this vicious circle) what is the definition of a reputable source? I have official magazines and lots of books, published in Bulgaria in the 1960-1990. Are these reputable for you guys? None of these are in the web space whatsoever. I have checked this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources and it is still not clear to me :(

LittleMato (talk) 10:00, 31 May 2013

Operation Modulêr

This discussion has been moved to Talk:Operation Moduler#Spelling again. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:35, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

XJ750E-II

Hi, thank you for your more helpful response as regards my article's unsuitability. Now I have a little more confidence in it being worth the effort I'll attempt to make it more suitable with extra references etc & try to make it look a little neater & more like the other Wiki pages on motorcycles.

Thank You for your time, XJ750E-IIbloke (talk) 10:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

EDIT-: I'm not sure how many reliable sources there will actually be for this model due to it's rarity but will try to get together as much as possible.

Also, I now have an official Yamaha brochure for the XJ750E-II which confirms some of the specifications I listed. I'm sure it'll become apparent once I've fully read the WP/RS link, but if not, could you suggest the best way I could cite this as a reference (photograph relevant areas of brochure & publish online was my first thought?) Thanks again XJ750E-IIbloke (talk) 11:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I've now added some inline citations and changed the format to include an info. box, not 100% sure how well I've done all this but will appreciate any suggestions/modifications you feel necessary. XJ750E-IIbloke (talk) 13:42, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

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Would you mind explaining the deletion policy to the poster of this request - WP:Help desk#Please delete this. I tagged it just to help the OP. Thanks. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Kelapstick/AfC Issues

I am pretty well done editing for the evening, if you want to have a crack at a few more of the reviews at User:Kelapstick/AfC Issues please do so, I will resume in the morning. Cheers, --kelapstick 20:38, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

It's bedtime for me too... Goodnight! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Not bed, Beer! I will be meeting up with a bunch of your countrymen down at the pub in a couple hours. --kelapstick 20:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Revert of Axial fan

Hi Dodger67, sorry if you thought my judgement was out. I felt the article lacked context, was poorly sourced and overly like a technical manual (hence choosing WP:NOT). I was also concerned that one of the sources – a book – didn't quote page references. You're right, there are many technical articles on Wiki so perhaps I could have chosen a more specific decline reason, such as WP:V. Libby norman (talk) 14:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Libby, sorry to tread on your toes like that - I've just looked at the way I worded it, apologies! A decline for WP:NOT is a particularly difficult one, because the "not a scientific journal/textbook" criterion is very hard to call if you're not a subject expert. The engineering, physics, chemistry and similar areas of WP are actually full of articles such as that draft, loaded with graphs and formulas - so to outright reject a draft per NOT in such a case is IMHO rather unfair.

The way I interpret a "NOT" rejection it means: "do not write this article, we don't want an article about this here on WP" which is true of spam, resumés, etc but very harsh for highly technical subjects. I intend raising this issue for a general discussion soon. Apologies again for my rather harsh tone. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries at all. I think I'd been persuaded by the phrase 'not a technical manual', without really thinking that through. I'm guessing the phrase means that the latest user manual for a Dyson vacuum or Electrolux fridge model is not appropriate for Wiki, whereas something about the scientific/technical operation of a generic type of fan/fridge/vacuum could be relevant if notable from an engineering or scientific perspective and properly sourced. I tend to steer clear of anything with graphs and formulas, but I picked up on this one because the lead ref appeared to be plugging a book without actually quoting any verifiable material from it. I should have just stuck to refs as my refusal. It will be helpful to perhaps clarify the wording on technical manuals within WP:NOT. Thanks. Libby norman (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Some falafel for you!

Thanks for your help on the Promescent article. Much appreciated. Enjoy your falafel !! DataTalks (talk) 02:43, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

About your earlier unexplained removal of content

• This was silly! Have you read up on Template:Infobox aircraft first before unilaterally removing contents from the article page? Supreme facepalm of destiny... --Dave 17:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Revert, explain in edit summary, move on, relax... There's no need to hold an inquisition for every edit. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

• Right then, I'll hold you to your words. Ciao~! --Dave 18:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Rakofsky

I'll accept the reversion based on the idea that other new editors may find the response bitey, *NOT* because this person should be extended the same courtesy.Naraht (talk) 17:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually he should be extended the same courtesy, nobody knows all our rules right from their first edit. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

He tried that argument in court in a murder case. He then "sued the internet" when people (mostly other lawyers) commented on that.Naraht (talk) 17:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Women and children first

Regarding this - I was thinking about disadvantaged, "weaker" or minority groups who would be given priority in a disaster. Still too tentative an association for you? Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The "Women and children first" tradition, or "mantra" of sinking ships has, as far as I can tell, never been extended to "women, children and cripples/invalids/disabled passengers first". The Disability and disasters article (which I mostly wrote btw) deals primarily with disaster management and planning, so, yes imho, the link is rather tenuous (if it exists at all outside of wishful thinking). If you believe we should open this topic to broader discussion I'd suggest that WT:WikiProject Disability is a suitable venue. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

afc

Perhaps you didn't notice that Breathing Space Scotland is a copyvio of their web site. Anything that looks like it is written in the style of a press release, usually is a copyvio, though it may be an internal page not searchable by Google. In look at afcs, after missing quite a few myself and being told about it, I've learned it's the first thing to think of. DGG ( talk ) 04:55, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Ouch! I missed that! However speedying the entire article is a bit harsh, take a look at the duplication detector report - it's only five or six substantial phrases that are really problematic. Identical strings of five or six words are very hard to avoid particularly if three or four of the words are an organisation's name. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:25, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Problem is, that in these cases, the rest was probably copied from elsewhere also. And the tone would be problematic even if it wasn't copied. But yes, if I had the time it could be rewritten--that's always an alternative. So I think you do have a point there, and I'll just stubbify, because, quite frankly, I feel bad removing information like this. DGG ( talk ) 06:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

For an obvious COI writer the tone is actually not that bad, there's a lot worse out there. I agree that stubbing is probably the best solution. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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This matter is currently the subject of an ANI case, please do not comment on it here. The ANI report is here. My post in Afrikaans to User talk:Spekkommissie was a good faith attempt to communicate with the editor in the language he/she used. The page concerned is a user talk page, not an article. The gist of my post was to tell the user about the existence of the Afrikaans Misplaced Pages and to suggest that he/she might be more comfortable editing there. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Todd, Roger, the matter is handled with an indef block. FWIW, Roger's Afrikaans response was fine in my book given the circumstances--Spek's comments were not: they were vile, tasteless, racist trolling, and combined with this despicable edit the conclusion is clear. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:07, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

ResolvedThanks! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

• Roger, I think I got it all; please check to make sure. Happy days to you, and it's been a pleasure meeting you. It led me to make a few edits here and there (to Verwoerd's article, for instance) and I learned quite a few things about history (in a sideways-manner, my own history as well) along the way. Drmies (talk) 14:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

That's brilliant thanks! I made it more complicated by first simply deleting it as nonsense, then undeleting when I decided to take it to ANI. Yes it is very surprising what we learn just by editing WP. Thanks for all your help. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Lydia_Bailey

Thank you for all the wonderful edits to my article. I am unsure what the next step is ... ;) - K Karen9093 (talk) 14:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The article is now in mainspace at Lydia Bailey (printer). The link you posted above is now just a Redirect to it's proper location. The next step is to start another article if you like. We definitely need more articles reflecting women's history, so if that's your interest, there's your challenge. You might be interested in joining WP:WikiProject Women's History. Roger (Dodger67) (talk)

Thanks! I will definitely join that group. Do I need to disambiguate from the film Lydia Bailey? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karen9093 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

The disambiguation has already been done - the article is at Lydia Bailey (printer). What you are seeing at the AfC draft page is just a redirect from before the move - please ignore it and in future link directly to Lydia Bailey (printer). Once you get involved in WikiProjects it opens up a whole "universe" of behind the scenes stuff that people who only read or edit articles hardly ever see anything of. Have fun!

BTW how about putting something on your user page? Who is Karen9093? Why is she here? What is she interested in? Take a look at mine and some other editor's, you might pick up some ideas of what to put on it. Just don't post anything too personal, keep your true identity to yourself. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Roger - I will go put a little bit about myself on my page right now. Do we not want to change the current Lydia Bailey page to "Lydia Bailey (film)"? As it stands, if one searches for "Lydia Bailey" one only gets this result and not my entry ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karen9093 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Lyceum of the Philippines University-Laguna

Howdy Sir! I'm the author of your newly-reviewed article. With the issues behind it and as you commented on it, I already put reliable sources and references about the information I wrote on the article. I really need its approval, as soon as possible. Please review my article and edit it again and I'm really hoping that you'll accept my article already. Thank you very much sir!

Have a good day. 112.207.91.173 (talk) 13:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

If you believe you have addressed the issues my review pointed out please resubmit it - someone will review it again in due course. It is generally not good for the same reviewer to review a draft repeatedly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, thanks for your response. I'm really waiting for its approval because it would be helpful for us, students to get more information about our university. I hope there will be a new reviewer, as soon as possible. Thank you. 112.207.91.173 (talk) 19:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.207.5.47 (talk)

All these AfCs

I noticed all the sandbox submissions on AfC about five minutes ago and saw that you had marked some of them for speedy deletion. First, do you know what is going on? Second, should they still be "declined?" The AFCHS doesn't work on sandbox pages, so I have to do it manually. Thanks, TheOneSean 11:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC) PS. please leave me TB if you reply here.

Take a look at WT:WikiProject Articles for creation#Backlog just increased where this topic has also just come up. We should discuss it there so that others can also participate. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:16, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. TheOneSean 11:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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Could you please point out the problems with the reference given and example of acceptable references for Dr. Meadors. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pointer22 (talk • contribs) 09:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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I am the person that has been trolling on Misplaced Pages and on your talkpage. I want to say sorry for being a childish idiot and I will stop from now on. I guess I just need to find something better to do. And I apologise for making you feel vunerable and for using inapropiate language aswell. I wish you all the best. I have been sockpuppeting from Technoquat and Spekommissie. Thank You. --Echoreems (talk) 21:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• Proof will be in the pudding. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
  • We zullen zien... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

Thanks for fixing my brain fart typo at Life of a Craphead‎. I was so focused on merging the citations inline and completely failed to proofread my own text. Whpq (talk) 18:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

It's a pleasure, you should (rather not) see my horrendous typo rate! I sometimes go back three or even four times to fix my typos in a short post of just a couple of lines. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:38, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Ivor Ichikowitz

Hi Roger. Photographer Michael Meyersfeld has granted free use of the following image of Ivor Ichikowitz
The necessary permissions for this image have been emailed by Meyersfeld to WP:OTRS. I think this is a much better quality image of Ichikowitz than the one currently featured on the article. Would be good to hear your thoughts. Thanks Vivj2012 (talk) 07:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

It looks better than the current one but think its a bit "busy" and cluttered - it would need to be cropped quite drastically. The current photo is unfortunately too small to crop down nicely, maybe this new one would be better. I'm not really an expert at imagees so I'd leave it to you to experiment a bit with it. Generally we prefer a straight head and shoulders "mugshot" portrait for the Infobox. BTW I think it's a pity he's got a women's magazine on the desk - if it was a brochure for Ahrlac or an armoured vehicle it would be more relevant. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:49, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. Is it best for me to reupload a cropped version of the new image? Vivj2012 (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure how different versions of the same image are handled - rather ask at the Help desk. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Your recent edits

I noticed that your edits to Russians in Hong Kong were unconstructive, so I have had to reverse them. If you need any help with editing and spelling, I can mentor you personally, if you wish. Thanks. --AlldiRessie (talk) 20:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I have never edited that article, you've got the wrong editor here. I've just checked, you have also never edited that article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

In the grammar of the English Language, we prefer 'you have', instead of 'you've'. I think further mentoring is needed. I will be watching your edits. Remember to use the Queen's English, dear boy. Good day to you, Sir. --AlldiRessie (talk) 20:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks, I was just about to report this nonsense to ANI. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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