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The rewrite of this article

Sorry, but this is going to take longer than I had anticipated. My life is currently at a stand still and I need to deal with things before I can take the time to go through and expand/alter each and every single section. Kurtis 09:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Understood. AmateurEditor (talk) 19:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Please add wiki-link to "George G. Waton"

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Please add initial "G." to "George Watson" in this article and add wiki-link: George G. Watson. Thank you. --Aboudaqn (talk) 02:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done. — Mr. Stradivarius 21:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Relevance?

What is the relevance of an article like this? There could as well be an article about "Mass killings under Capitalist regimes" (which could probably lead to far higher numbers) or an article about mass killings in general (which apparently doesn't exist), eventually mentioning the political or social system of the committing society.

This article makes it seem like mass killings would be somewhat a probable or even unique consequence of communism or supposedly communist societies and that is some serious political bias and not constructive at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.17.64.182 (talk) 13:56, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually there is an article on Anti-communist mass killings. One person did try an article such as you describe ... Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Mass_killings_under_Capitalist_regimes where the primary problem was that the "mass killings" were not specific to "capitalism" thus making the article entirely WP:SYNTH. It made for a really, really bad article. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collect (talk • contribs) 18:27, 5 June 2013

How does that differ from this article? TFD (talk) 19:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Been there, done that - the relevance of this article and its place in Misplaced Pages have been settled for a long time by about 6 AfD attempts. Why not think of something new to say? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

This is the editor's first posting and it might be more helpful to explain why the article exists than to make appeals to authority. In case you were unaware, nothing is ever settled in Misplaced Pages. TFD (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

@TFD - I was addressing you. Why not just admit, once and for all that there is no case to delete this article. To the extent possible on Misplaced Pages, this is a settled matter. See WP:Dead horse. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:45, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

It is very difficult to get any article deleted. The article Richard Tylman for example was only deleted on the 4th nomination, yet clearly the subject failed notability. A large number of AfDs for an article made by different editors may be evidence that there is something wrong with it. TFD (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

TFD, if you have forgotten how this article differs from the "Mass killings under Capitalist regimes" article, then maybe we should start a FAQ for this talk page so we don't have to spend time reminding you. The Richard Tylman article you linked to does not have an established consensus one way or the other regarding deletion (a consensus was only established on a previous version), whereas there is a clear consensus over two consecutive AfDs to keep this article. AmateurEditor (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The Tylman articles were not all about the same person at all -- counting AfDs for such is a pointlesss exercise indeed. Collect (talk) 23:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The first four AfDs including the one I proposed and that successfully led to the article's deletion, were about the same person. An article about a person with the same name but who lived hundreds of years before was then created and it survived AfD. TFD (talk) 00:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

This article had a number of AfDs that did not have a clear consensus and looking at the votes of those that supposed did there was substantial support for deletion. By all means start a FAQ. Answering why there is a MKuCR article but not one for capitalism, fascism, nazism, liberalism, imperialism, democracy, etc. could be one of them. TFD (talk) 22:35, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm willing to do it. Do you have any other questions about the article that you want added to the list? AmateurEditor (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Why is this article so terrible?

The very first sentence starts out with a verifiably false statement, or at least an extermely controversial statement stated as fact, something inappropriate for wikipedia. The entire article seems to just be a coatrack of any violence or deaths associated with communism. I wonder under what "mass killing" article would be placed the millions killed in war by the Japanese during the 30s, 40s, and under what article would we place the tens of thousands of children who starved to death today in Africa? Furious Style (talk) 02:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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