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My suggestion would be for editors to try discussing major changes to this article ''before'' making them. There has been so much ] given to elements of this article, and adding listings of countless trivial positions and such is not helping clear up the issue. <span style="border:2px solid darkgreen;margin-top:2px;bottom:2px;font- verdana;background:lightblue" > ] ]</span> 19:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
My suggestion would be for editors to try discussing major changes to this article ''before'' making them. There has been so much ] given to elements of this article, and adding listings of countless trivial positions and such is not helping clear up the issue. <span style="border:2px solid darkgreen;margin-top:2px;bottom:2px;font- verdana;background:lightblue" > ] ]</span> 19:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:Are you going to accept your own advice? You know very well who is adding the "countless trivial positions and such" to this article, and I'm sure you know how to reach that person. Good luck and cheers. ] (]) 21:47, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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Even though the subject is notable, this article remains filled with PUFF and excessive material better suited to a CV. Many sections are burdened with undue weight and will need to be radically downsized. I'll have a bit of a go at it myself. Taroaldo (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, made a bit of a dent in it there. That's all I have time for right now. I think the puff is down to a more manageable level. Taroaldo (talk) 03:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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My suggestion would be for editors to try discussing major changes to this article before making them. There has been so much undue weight given to elements of this article, and adding listings of countless trivial positions and such is not helping clear up the issue. Taroaldo✉19:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Are you going to accept your own advice? You know very well who is adding the "countless trivial positions and such" to this article, and I'm sure you know how to reach that person. Good luck and cheers. AfricaTanz (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
