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| ::::I didn't need humor in the film. The Batman films were not humorous. When you start adding humor you start going back to Christopher Reeve's films, and you have to stay away from that. They are their own thing, and the first (and second to an extent) is awesome. To me, the 3D didn't add anything after the Krypton scenes, because the action moves too fast to notice. I thought Jonathan's death was an interest one, because it was rather pointless (going after the dog), but at the same time probably something he would do and then waving Clark off so that he didn't reveal himself, to me, was completely in character and a good reason why Clark would leave. There were a lot of ''Smallville'' allusions. There was Sullivan Truck and Tractor Repair, Ezra Mail Depot (Ezra Small, who founded Smallville in the show), they mention Whitney Fordman when Clark is a teen, after he saves the bus and Pete's mom is talking to Jonathan and Martha. The fact that the ship is in the storm cellar, the farm looks like the one on the show, and Jonathan wearing that same tan jacket that he wore on the show. There were scenes, I agree, where Henry Cavill looked a bit like Tom Welling. That one piece that surprised me was when Superman killed Zod. He's only ever killed once in the comics, and it resulted in him having a mental break because he couldn't handle the fact that he had killed someone. He's clearly upset over it, but it'll be interest if it gets swept under the rug or addressed in later films (if they have more films). ] ] 00:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC) | ::::I didn't need humor in the film. The Batman films were not humorous. When you start adding humor you start going back to Christopher Reeve's films, and you have to stay away from that. They are their own thing, and the first (and second to an extent) is awesome. To me, the 3D didn't add anything after the Krypton scenes, because the action moves too fast to notice. I thought Jonathan's death was an interest one, because it was rather pointless (going after the dog), but at the same time probably something he would do and then waving Clark off so that he didn't reveal himself, to me, was completely in character and a good reason why Clark would leave. There were a lot of ''Smallville'' allusions. There was Sullivan Truck and Tractor Repair, Ezra Mail Depot (Ezra Small, who founded Smallville in the show), they mention Whitney Fordman when Clark is a teen, after he saves the bus and Pete's mom is talking to Jonathan and Martha. The fact that the ship is in the storm cellar, the farm looks like the one on the show, and Jonathan wearing that same tan jacket that he wore on the show. There were scenes, I agree, where Henry Cavill looked a bit like Tom Welling. That one piece that surprised me was when Superman killed Zod. He's only ever killed once in the comics, and it resulted in him having a mental break because he couldn't handle the fact that he had killed someone. He's clearly upset over it, but it'll be interest if it gets swept under the rug or addressed in later films (if they have more films). ] ] 00:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :::::But, see, there is a bit of humor in the film...such as when that guy challenges Clark in the bar and Clark messes up his truck afterward. Or the bits of humor that were added to a couple of, or few, scenes Clark and Lois shared. However, it also depends on what the person finds funny. My point about the humor, though, is that humor can be done in a Superman film without it mimicking the Christopher Reeve era. But I definitely didn't want humor to the point that the film was campy. And now that I think on it some more, I feel that there was just the right amount of humor in the |
:::::But, see, there is a bit of humor in the film...such as when that guy challenges Clark in the bar and Clark messes up his truck afterward. Or the bits of humor that were added to a couple of, or few, scenes Clark and Lois shared. However, it also depends on what the person finds funny. My point about the humor, though, is that humor can be done in a Superman film without it mimicking the Christopher Reeve era. But I definitely didn't want humor to the point that the film was campy. And now that I think on it some more, I feel that there was just the right amount of humor in the film. So it's rather the "more warmth in general" aspect that I feel the film would have significantly benefited from. Some critics have made a good point about Superman not being Batman, and that dark atmosphere works a lot better for a Batman film. Well, I mean, if you agree with them on that. As for the allusions to ''Smallville,'' there was a Smallville sign somewhere in the film. Was it on a water tower? My sister got all excited when she saw it because she felt that it was a shout-out to the ''Smallville'' series; I was like, "Don't you remember that Smallville is where Clark grew up?" She confirmed that she did, but still felt that the sign was a shout-out to the television series. And speaking of shout-outs, I noticed "LexCorp" on the side of one of the trucks in the film. | ||
| :::::As for there being more Superman films starring Henry Cavill, I'm sure that there will be, considering that it was received well enough by critics and most of the fans/viewers in general like or love the film, and considering that Warner Bros. Pictures is determined for this film to launch a new Superman franchise and have Superman interact with other superheroes in film. Even though ''Superman Returns'' did better with critics, it didn't, as you know, do as good with Superman fans or viewers in general (but especially Superman fans), and didn't live up to Warner Bros. Pictures box office expectations for it. | :::::As for there being more Superman films starring Henry Cavill, I'm sure that there will be, considering that it was received well enough by critics and most of the fans/viewers in general like or love the film, and considering that Warner Bros. Pictures is determined for this film to launch a new Superman franchise and have Superman interact with other superheroes in film. Even though ''Superman Returns'' did better with critics, it didn't, as you know, do as good with Superman fans or viewers in general (but especially Superman fans), and didn't live up to Warner Bros. Pictures box office expectations for it. | ||
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| ::::::That's small humor, nowhere near what was in the original Superman film. By the way, take that scene from ''Smallville'' much? Remember when Clark messed up Whitney's truck? I thought the film had enough warmth. If you romanticize the character too much you end up with ''Superman Returns'', and no one wants that. Superman's story can be dark and gloomy, there have been plenty. There's a story, I don't recall the title but it's a non-canon story, where he literally outlives everyone on Earth and he's the last person. It's very depression and dark. So, for critics to argue that he cannot be dark or gritty, well they don't know enough about the character. As for the suit, it grew on me. I hated it when I first saw it, because I didn't like the texture of it, but by the time I saw it repeatedly in the film I was ok with it. I don't mind the shorts being gone now, though at the time I really thought it was stupid not to have them. I think it stems from people think that they are underwear, when they aren't. I think that's why Snyder got rid of them in the end. ] ] 03:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC) | ::::::That's small humor, nowhere near what was in the original Superman film. By the way, take that scene from ''Smallville'' much? Remember when Clark messed up Whitney's truck? I thought the film had enough warmth. If you romanticize the character too much you end up with ''Superman Returns'', and no one wants that. Superman's story can be dark and gloomy, there have been plenty. There's a story, I don't recall the title but it's a non-canon story, where he literally outlives everyone on Earth and he's the last person. It's very depression and dark. So, for critics to argue that he cannot be dark or gritty, well they don't know enough about the character. As for the suit, it grew on me. I hated it when I first saw it, because I didn't like the texture of it, but by the time I saw it repeatedly in the film I was ok with it. I don't mind the shorts being gone now, though at the time I really thought it was stupid not to have them. I think it stems from people think that they are underwear, when they aren't. I think that's why Snyder got rid of them in the end. ] ] 03:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :::::::Going back to Superman killing Zod, is Zod a character that should last longer than that? I know that he lasts longer in the comics. | |||
| :::::::I agree about not romanticizing Superman too much. Definitely not what I meant by "warmth." I meant the type of warmth found when watching ''Smallville,'' how we seem to know Clark well through his interactions with his family and others close to him, but especially his family. Of course...there's going to be a lot more shown in a television series than in a film. But to elaborate on what I mean... For example, my (step) dad, who is a big Superman fan, and a big fan of a lot of the ] and ] characters didn't like the use of the flashbacks to tell Clark's past; he wanted the typical linear screenplay format because, he made it sound like, the non-linear format disconnected him from the story in some ways. Or rather that he doesn't like what he considers "interruptions." I'm the one who explained to him that ''Man of Steel'' was written in a non-linear format to avoid the type of plot progression that has been seen time and time again with Superman films. And he was like, "Oooh, big words" at my use of "non-linear," LOL. Despite what the creators of the film state, I also think that not wanting the story to be too familiar is why General Zod was chosen as the first villain for Superman to face instead of Lex Luthor. As for the suit, it looks like the texture used for '']'' film. | |||
| :::::::On another side note, look at I reverted late the previous hour on the image used for the Tom Welling article. Tsk. I'm not surprised that we have to worry about vandalism or other unconstructive edits on image pages (I've seen it times before), but I do wonder how bored (or, in this case, seemingly excited) a person has to be to mess with an image page in such a way. If it's a clear vandalism target, such as an image of a buttocks, I understand that better. ] (]) 05:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
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H2 (title change)
I thought that Universal owned the title rights as well, but I found out that Universal only owns distribution rights for Halloween II (1981). So, Malek Akkad/Trancas must own the title rights then.
Cast List and Executive Producers
Why doesn't Smallville have a cast list in its info box? Every other major series has one, regardless of shake-ups in cast, like CSI, House, Bones, Desperate Housewives, One Tree Hill, etc.
It makes the wiki entry a bit stupid, as it's not easy to find out who's currently on the show. Instead, you're made to read stupid biogs of every main character, some of which are dead, arranged in a pathetic "of overall importance" order.
IMO SV's wiki should only become a "historic reference" page ONCE THE SHOW FINISHES, not during its run.
I also think it's disrespectful, especially the Executive Producers list.
Why aren't you keeping the information current and relevant?
Halloween 2 (2009) Director's Cut
I think it would be best just to let people put a section about the director's cut since most movies that has one has a section for it on here.
Man of Steel (film)
Are you pleased with the actor who was cast as Clark Kent/Superman? If so, anything you are not pleased with regarding this film? I plan to see the film tomorrow. I still haven't watched the television series Arrow, but I will at some point, especially since it's gotten generally favorable reviews and has two seasons thus far. Flyer22 (talk) 14:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- I love Henry Cavill as Superman. He was awesome. I loved the movie...it completely made up for the trash that is Superman Returns. Let me know when you've seen it, as I don't want to spoil anything. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 15:50, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
- I just got back from seeing it an hour ago. I enjoyed Henry Cavill as Superman and the chemistry between Clark/Superman and Lois was good. The action scenes were spectacular, and came to life even more while watching the film in 3D. Believe it or not, but I'd never watched a film in 3D before. Or, if I did, I must have been a young child and don't remember doing so. I guess, like some critics have stated, I feel that there should have been a bit more warmth or humor in the film. But despite what some critics have stated, I feel that there was enough warmth in the film for me to relate to some of the characters. Superman isn't as easy to relate to as some human characters, even as Clark, because of his extraordinary abilities and what he's had to go through and will continue to have to go through. But I connected with him enough. The scene where his father dies got to me, and I almost cried at that. The film is a good reboot, in my opinion. Flyer22 (talk) 23:59, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah...and me and my sister (I saw the film with my youngest sister; 16) feel that Henry Cavill looks like Tom Welling at some parts in the film, especially during the flashback that shows us how Clark's dad died. Flyer22 (talk) 00:34, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- I just got back from seeing it an hour ago. I enjoyed Henry Cavill as Superman and the chemistry between Clark/Superman and Lois was good. The action scenes were spectacular, and came to life even more while watching the film in 3D. Believe it or not, but I'd never watched a film in 3D before. Or, if I did, I must have been a young child and don't remember doing so. I guess, like some critics have stated, I feel that there should have been a bit more warmth or humor in the film. But despite what some critics have stated, I feel that there was enough warmth in the film for me to relate to some of the characters. Superman isn't as easy to relate to as some human characters, even as Clark, because of his extraordinary abilities and what he's had to go through and will continue to have to go through. But I connected with him enough. The scene where his father dies got to me, and I almost cried at that. The film is a good reboot, in my opinion. Flyer22 (talk) 23:59, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't need humor in the film. The Batman films were not humorous. When you start adding humor you start going back to Christopher Reeve's films, and you have to stay away from that. They are their own thing, and the first (and second to an extent) is awesome. To me, the 3D didn't add anything after the Krypton scenes, because the action moves too fast to notice. I thought Jonathan's death was an interest one, because it was rather pointless (going after the dog), but at the same time probably something he would do and then waving Clark off so that he didn't reveal himself, to me, was completely in character and a good reason why Clark would leave. There were a lot of Smallville allusions. There was Sullivan Truck and Tractor Repair, Ezra Mail Depot (Ezra Small, who founded Smallville in the show), they mention Whitney Fordman when Clark is a teen, after he saves the bus and Pete's mom is talking to Jonathan and Martha. The fact that the ship is in the storm cellar, the farm looks like the one on the show, and Jonathan wearing that same tan jacket that he wore on the show. There were scenes, I agree, where Henry Cavill looked a bit like Tom Welling. That one piece that surprised me was when Superman killed Zod. He's only ever killed once in the comics, and it resulted in him having a mental break because he couldn't handle the fact that he had killed someone. He's clearly upset over it, but it'll be interest if it gets swept under the rug or addressed in later films (if they have more films). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- But, see, there is a bit of humor in the film...such as when that guy challenges Clark in the bar and Clark messes up his truck afterward. Or the bits of humor that were added to a couple of, or few, scenes Clark and Lois shared. However, it also depends on what the person finds funny. My point about the humor, though, is that humor can be done in a Superman film without it mimicking the Christopher Reeve era. But I definitely didn't want humor to the point that the film was campy. And now that I think on it some more, I feel that there was just the right amount of humor in the film. So it's rather the "more warmth in general" aspect that I feel the film would have significantly benefited from. Some critics have made a good point about Superman not being Batman, and that dark atmosphere works a lot better for a Batman film. Well, I mean, if you agree with them on that. As for the allusions to Smallville, there was a Smallville sign somewhere in the film. Was it on a water tower? My sister got all excited when she saw it because she felt that it was a shout-out to the Smallville series; I was like, "Don't you remember that Smallville is where Clark grew up?" She confirmed that she did, but still felt that the sign was a shout-out to the television series. And speaking of shout-outs, I noticed "LexCorp" on the side of one of the trucks in the film.
- I didn't need humor in the film. The Batman films were not humorous. When you start adding humor you start going back to Christopher Reeve's films, and you have to stay away from that. They are their own thing, and the first (and second to an extent) is awesome. To me, the 3D didn't add anything after the Krypton scenes, because the action moves too fast to notice. I thought Jonathan's death was an interest one, because it was rather pointless (going after the dog), but at the same time probably something he would do and then waving Clark off so that he didn't reveal himself, to me, was completely in character and a good reason why Clark would leave. There were a lot of Smallville allusions. There was Sullivan Truck and Tractor Repair, Ezra Mail Depot (Ezra Small, who founded Smallville in the show), they mention Whitney Fordman when Clark is a teen, after he saves the bus and Pete's mom is talking to Jonathan and Martha. The fact that the ship is in the storm cellar, the farm looks like the one on the show, and Jonathan wearing that same tan jacket that he wore on the show. There were scenes, I agree, where Henry Cavill looked a bit like Tom Welling. That one piece that surprised me was when Superman killed Zod. He's only ever killed once in the comics, and it resulted in him having a mental break because he couldn't handle the fact that he had killed someone. He's clearly upset over it, but it'll be interest if it gets swept under the rug or addressed in later films (if they have more films). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- As for there being more Superman films starring Henry Cavill, I'm sure that there will be, considering that it was received well enough by critics and most of the fans/viewers in general like or love the film, and considering that Warner Bros. Pictures is determined for this film to launch a new Superman franchise and have Superman interact with other superheroes in film. Even though Superman Returns did better with critics, it didn't, as you know, do as good with Superman fans or viewers in general (but especially Superman fans), and didn't live up to Warner Bros. Pictures box office expectations for it.
- On a side note: How do you feel about the new Superman suit? I didn't notice until my mom pointed out to me (before seeing the film) that the "red panties" are gone. They aren't panties, of course, but I guess she didn't have a better word for them. Flyer22 (talk) 01:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- That's small humor, nowhere near what was in the original Superman film. By the way, take that scene from Smallville much? Remember when Clark messed up Whitney's truck? I thought the film had enough warmth. If you romanticize the character too much you end up with Superman Returns, and no one wants that. Superman's story can be dark and gloomy, there have been plenty. There's a story, I don't recall the title but it's a non-canon story, where he literally outlives everyone on Earth and he's the last person. It's very depression and dark. So, for critics to argue that he cannot be dark or gritty, well they don't know enough about the character. As for the suit, it grew on me. I hated it when I first saw it, because I didn't like the texture of it, but by the time I saw it repeatedly in the film I was ok with it. I don't mind the shorts being gone now, though at the time I really thought it was stupid not to have them. I think it stems from people think that they are underwear, when they aren't. I think that's why Snyder got rid of them in the end. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- Going back to Superman killing Zod, is Zod a character that should last longer than that? I know that he lasts longer in the comics.
- That's small humor, nowhere near what was in the original Superman film. By the way, take that scene from Smallville much? Remember when Clark messed up Whitney's truck? I thought the film had enough warmth. If you romanticize the character too much you end up with Superman Returns, and no one wants that. Superman's story can be dark and gloomy, there have been plenty. There's a story, I don't recall the title but it's a non-canon story, where he literally outlives everyone on Earth and he's the last person. It's very depression and dark. So, for critics to argue that he cannot be dark or gritty, well they don't know enough about the character. As for the suit, it grew on me. I hated it when I first saw it, because I didn't like the texture of it, but by the time I saw it repeatedly in the film I was ok with it. I don't mind the shorts being gone now, though at the time I really thought it was stupid not to have them. I think it stems from people think that they are underwear, when they aren't. I think that's why Snyder got rid of them in the end. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- I agree about not romanticizing Superman too much. Definitely not what I meant by "warmth." I meant the type of warmth found when watching Smallville, how we seem to know Clark well through his interactions with his family and others close to him, but especially his family. Of course...there's going to be a lot more shown in a television series than in a film. But to elaborate on what I mean... For example, my (step) dad, who is a big Superman fan, and a big fan of a lot of the DC Comics and Marvel Comics characters didn't like the use of the flashbacks to tell Clark's past; he wanted the typical linear screenplay format because, he made it sound like, the non-linear format disconnected him from the story in some ways. Or rather that he doesn't like what he considers "interruptions." I'm the one who explained to him that Man of Steel was written in a non-linear format to avoid the type of plot progression that has been seen time and time again with Superman films. And he was like, "Oooh, big words" at my use of "non-linear," LOL. Despite what the creators of the film state, I also think that not wanting the story to be too familiar is why General Zod was chosen as the first villain for Superman to face instead of Lex Luthor. As for the suit, it looks like the texture used for The Amazing Spider-Man film.
- On another side note, look at this graffiti I reverted late the previous hour on the image used for the Tom Welling article. Tsk. I'm not surprised that we have to worry about vandalism or other unconstructive edits on image pages (I've seen it times before), but I do wonder how bored (or, in this case, seemingly excited) a person has to be to mess with an image page in such a way. If it's a clear vandalism target, such as an image of a buttocks, I understand that better. Flyer22 (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
American Dad! Rating
Thank you for engaging with AmericanDad86 regarding ratings. After my failed ANI regarding how they were speaking to me at Talk:American Dad! I feel anything I can say there will be summarily disregarded by them and likely just result in more personal attacks and misrepresentations. I'm trying to get some help regarding that, but frankly I'm not sure I've ever felt this keenly that admins weren't willing to get involved in a situation where someone desperately needed to tell an editor to knock it off. Doniago (talk) 04:28, 16 June 2013 (UTC)