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Template:Seed Beni Suef

Template:Seed Beni Suef (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Category:General articles stubs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 19:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Speedy delete as redundant to general {{stub}} template (or any specific variety thereof). Furthermore, this seems way too ridiculously specific to deserve its own template (its need for copyediting is irrelevant at this point). LazyBastardGuy 21:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Also, speedy delete for category, which suffers from the opposite problem - it's way too general to have any good use. LazyBastardGuy 21:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Violence against Hindus

Template:Violence against Hindus (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a useful template, the collection of links are not subtopics of the template topic but rather tangentially related general topics User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I created the template using this Template:Violence against Muslims template as base. So, you mean to say this is also not an useful template?? - Vatsan34 (talk) 18:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If you note the difference in contents most of the links from the template violence against muslim in fact lead to articles about Violence against Muslim not to random articles about discrimination and violence. Your creation of the template was clearly a POINTy action based on a misgided notion of neutrality requiring equal treatment to different religions. If we had a series of articles on violence against Hindus then the template would be warranted - but we don't and we are not likely to ever get one since there isn't a body of literature about that topic. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

*Delete per nominator. Only one link in the template has anything to do with Hindus specifically; the rest link to general topics. A template/navbox is not needed unless more Hindu-specific links can be added. LazyBastardGuy 21:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - While the current links on the template are random, the existence of the template is easily justified. Persecution of Muslims leads to Template:Violence against Muslims. Time wasted on this TFD would be better suited creating a template that reflects the vast articlespace (Category:Persecution of Hindus) that deals with the subject in question.Pectore 02:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, that is actually a reasonable number of articles for a template. I retract the nomination for deletion.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - Now, the links related to the template are added. And historically, it is a vast and an extensive topic. - Vatsan34 (talk) 17:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
  • With that said, I withdraw my vote too and would like to keep the template. Pectore, there is no need to accuse anyone of wasting TFD's time here. If we were in error, simply tell us that. LazyBastardGuy 18:43, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Shall I go ahead and remove the "nominated for deletion" tag? - Vatsan34 (talk) 06:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

• Rename to Persecution of Hindus per the parent cat. Darkness Shines (talk) 07:34, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Template:Violence against Muslims also points to Persecution of Muslims. But its not renamed. - Vatsan34 (talk) 09:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

No, the parent category for the template is category:Violence against Muslims. It is right there in the template. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, just notice you also created a cat for the template. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:45, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Dtsa

Template:Dtsa (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Dts (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Dtsa with Template:Dts.
This template's documentation, from May 2011, says " It may be worth integrating this template into {{dts}}, but that template's code is so complex currently that it should probably be cleaned up a little before adding more functionality.". Now we have Lua, I think it's time to do that (but, regrettably, lack the know-how). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Note: I have no-included the TfM notification templates, due the disruption they would cause where the templates occur in every row of a table. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

College sports retired numbers

Template:Kansas Jayhawks men's basketball retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Kansas State Wildcats basketball retired jerseys (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:North Carolina Tar Heels women's basketball retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Ohio State Buckeyes basketball retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Appalachian State Mountaineers football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Gator Football Ring of Honor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Florida State Seminoles football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Kansas State Wildcats football Ring of Honor navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Michigan Wolverines football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Ohio State Buckeyes football retired numbers navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Pittsburgh Panthers football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Texas Longhorns football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:UCLA Bruins football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete all per CRUFT, NENAN and TCREEP. I wholly agree that retired jerseys merit special mention, but they should have their own subsection on that team's main article page; they shouldn't clog up player articles with yet another navbox that is essentially banner-hanging. WikiProjects College Basketball and Football already have bad raps with a lot of editors for overusing navboxes, and the existence of these does not help our cause. They're just too much! Jrcla2 (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Note, I'm also nominating the following categories for deletion:

Category:American college sports retired number navigational boxes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Category:American college basketball retired number navigational boxes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Category:American college football retired number navigational boxes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

• Delete all None of the templates have articles about the topic "XXX School retired numbers". Except Florida and UNC. However, on those articles, they only include the larger {{Florida Gators football navbox}} and {{North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball navbox}} navboxes (which include the retired numbers). Those articles don't even transclude the templates in question here. So in those cases, they should be deleted because they are redundant.— X96lee15 (talk) 16:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete all, per both above comments. Some of those navboxes, like Michigan's, also include players whose numbers aren't retired as "legends." There's just no need for it. Jhortman (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete all per above - this info can be included on the program templates if it is needed at all. Rikster2 (talk) 19:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• delete, navbox cruft. Frietjes (talk) 19:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Redirect rather than delete, these should be redirected to the team navboxes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 21:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • What purpose could that serve that would be beneficial? Then you'd just have a bunch of team navboxes on player articles, which goes against CFB and CBB consensus. It also allows for a fanboy to come in and undo the redirect. These need to be eliminated altogether. Jrcla2 (talk) 00:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

There is absolutely, positively no such consensus. Retired numbers and jerseys are common inclusions in all other sports team navboxes (see Template:New York Yankees for an example) as they are an integral part of the culture and history of sports teams and important for the reader for understanding the topic which is the essence of the WP:NAV guideline. This has been repeatedly discussed at the talk page of the CFB Wikiproject as well at some of the individual template talk pages and the insistence that there is a consensus that prevents retired numbers from being added to the main team navboxes, when clearly no such consensus exists, is thoroughly without merit. Likewise, the idea that one Wikiproject has exclusive ownership of the content of 100s of individual navboxes (that also fall under the other Wikiprojects) is a notion that is without precedent in the entirety of Misplaced Pages and completely without merit. CrazyPaco (talk) 07:34, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

• I guess what I want is to ensure that the retired numbers are on the team templates and the something remain on the players' pages.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 03:00, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

• Redirect/Merge and comment about the history - per TonyTheTiger and Rikster2 and others, these undoubtedly should be merged with the navboxes for the individual college football teams per how retired jerseys/numbers are included in the navboxes for almost all other sports' team navboxes (please see examples such as Template:New York Yankees, Template:Green Bay Packers, Template:Los Angeles Lakers, Template:Boston Bruins, Template:Duke Blue Devils men's basketball navbox). However, editors should be aware that in many cases, these retired number nav boxes actually originated from individual team navboxes that had already included them but were systematically purged under the direction of User:Jweiss11 who initiated wholesale edits to 100s of college football navoboxes to a rigidly standardized format without establishing consensus, without prior precedent for such sweeping action in any other Wikiproject, and in many ways contrary to the guidelines of WP:NAV. The retired jersey/number navboxes thus grew out of a necessity to avoid edit warring with an editor who exerted WP:OWN in the name of a single Wikiproject. Discussions on the talk page of the Wikiproject have repeatedly died for lack of participation and editors moved on to more interesting concerns. However, until the community rejects such inflexible and single minded standardization of templates for football programs that inherently contain complex variety and fall under the domain of multiple Wikiprojects, such problems will persist and perhaps spread. Please see relevant archived discussion on cfb navboxes at Team navboxes, FCS team navboxes, New navbox rivalry/trophy game format, Opinions sought for navbox design, Template talk:Pittsburgh Panthers football navbox#Navbox contents, and Template talk:Florida Gators football navbox. CrazyPaco (talk) 07:34, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

• Just to be clear, I have no reason to feel like a navbox HAS to be on a player's article just because their college number was retired. That isn't to say it isn't a notable accomplishment, just that not everything needs a navbox. I personally like the way Andre Miller's article has it in the highlights section of his infobox. The problem with creating a navbox (or adding a program navbox that has retired numbers on it) is that there are often redlinks (or worse IMO, unlinked articles) of people who actually aren't notable (a problem pro teams where everyone is notable don't have). I can live with program articles linking retired numbers, but my preference would be no navbox and just noting the retired/honored number status in the infobox accomplishments. Rikster2 (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Humayun Azad

Template:Humayun Azad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN. Even if it did have five bluelinks, this navbox is clunky and almost entirely devoid of function. Deadbeef 10:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete - Serves no useful navigation purpose. The material is in reality his bibliography. -- Whpq (talk) 13:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - this is almost a textbook example of how not to use a navbox. A navbox is not for things that should be presented in list form, which this would be better suited for. It's not a catalog of works. It's for links to related articles only. It can have some unlinked stuff and be used this way, but only if there is far more linked stuff than unlinked. LazyBastardGuy 21:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Language term infoboxes

Template:Arabicterm (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Infobox Russian term (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These seem a bit silly to me, but if people think they're useful, then maybe we should consider creating a master template. — Lfdder (talk) 10:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Huh. Well, it's used in just over a dozen articles, but a lot of that might be mostly inertia. You might try notifying Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Arab world, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Anthroponymy, and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Arabic, to see if they have opinions about it. I'm agnostic, personally. – Quadell 11:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Leaning towards keep. The Russian one, at least, was created to be used with terms of Russian origin which are used in the English language (i.e., they are not merely dictdefs of Russian words). Examples include perestroika, samizdat, glasnost, etc. The template is not perfect by any means, and the current transclusions don't use even the limited functionality that's there, but there is certainly potential. I'd also oppose the merger—Russian alone has a handful of romanization systems (including which into the template would have practical value), so a dedicated template seems best.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 15, 2013; 12:13 (UTC)

I don't see the potential. image/caption are replaceable with media syntax; that just leaves title (the name of the article) and transliteration and translation that usually just go in brackets after the name in the lead. — Lfdder (talk) 21:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Are you are under the impression that there should only be one transliteration field? Like I said, there exist a number of romanization systems, and very often giving romanization in more than one is highly desired. I don't see how it is efficient to incorporate one language-specific systems into a master template...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 20, 2013; 12:19 (UTC)

• Keep These should be expanded to show what romanization system is being used and the same term under different romanization systems for English or generic Latin-lettering. Russian has changed romanization standards a few times, so historic spellings should be available in the box. Arabic has several romanization systems in use, so collecting them in a better presentation is better than very long intro sentences of the various forms the term is romanized as. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:21, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Why do we need to have all these romanizations? — Lfdder (talk) 08:15, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

So that the Misplaced Pages search will find it, when you enter an alternate romanization. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

No, that's not reason for an infobox. — Lfdder (talk) 22:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

We already put various spellings into articles, they could be collected in the infoboxen instead. And as people complain about redirects not showing up in the article (at RfD), they will now show up in the article. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 07:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrt the params you added to the infobox....'English translated term' doesn't apply cos it's for loanwords. Do you mean synonyms? What's 'literal meaning'? The etymology? Looks like it all amounts to a dictionary def to me; {{wiktionary}} exists. — Lfdder (talk) 08:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Loanwords can have English native equivalencies, and English Misplaced Pages is not restricted to writing articles on English loanwords, we can also write articles for them in Russian, say if American (word) were about a Russian word. (Just as English Misplaced Pages is not restricted to writing articles about the English world.) Also, terms that are phrases are not wiktionary material anyways. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

• merge into say {{infobox foreign language term}}. the Russian template is more well developed, and has quite a bit that is not Russian specific. the Arabic template is less well developed, and the functionality is generally a subset of the Russian template. A 'language' parameter could be used to switch between different languages. Frietjes (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment would this be a multipart template system then? Or template-subtemplate system? Or template-wrapper system? or monolithic template? (about half the Russian template is generic (or could be genericized), the other half is Russian specific; the Arabic one is now 3/4 generic (or could be genericized) ) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
• merge into {{infobox foreign language term}}.--82.117.201.26 (talk) 07:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox WorldScouting

Template:Infobox WorldScouting (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template needs a rethink; and possibly even forking. It's used for organisations (redundant to {{Infobox organisation}}?); events (e.g. Pinewood derby; redundant to {{Infobox recurring event}}?); training programmes (e.g. Law Enforcement Exploring); places (e.g. Treasure Island Scout Reservation; redundant to {{Infobox park}}?); badges (e,g, Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America); redundant to an award or medal infobox?); and generic topics (Scouting, Scouting in Alabama). 861 transclusions in all. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - I'm not sure what your trying to say, but a deleation is wrong. If it needs to be changes, I could get a request like that, but not a delete. It is appropriately used on 861 pages, as you even say.--ARTEST4ECHO (/_contribs) 20:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:History of the Hebrew language

Template:History of the Hebrew language (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Hebrew language}} and misleading (passing off varieties as periods of the language). — Lfdder (talk) 09:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• merge/delete, redundant navigation. Frietjes (talk) 22:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Eygeptian village

Template:Eygeptian village (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose deletion. It is not used and has no likelihood of being used; any situation where it might be used is already sufficiently covered by {{Infobox village}}. Failing deletion, it should be renamed to correct spelling and indicate that it's an infobox. — Paul A (talk) 01:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete unused, and what is "Eygeptian" ? -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - Redundant template:infobox settlement -- Whpq (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per nom.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Saleh, Beni Suef

Template:Saleh, Beni Suef (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose deletion. It is not used and has no likelihood of being used; it's so specific as to be useful on only one page, and on that page it's already been replaced by an instance of {{Infobox settlement}}. — Paul A (talk) 01:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• delete per nom. — Lfdder (talk) 09:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - Not used and too specific. -- Whpq (talk) 13:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Delete, even if it could be used it should not be its own template. This could easily be rebuilt on the subject's article. LazyBastardGuy 22:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:ETS LRT future

Template:ETS LRT future (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

• Delete. Unused template. Template:ETS LRT route, Template:ETS LRT Stations, and the succession box in the infobox, already provide navigation for the station articles, and File:Future Edmonton LRT.png provides a visual of current and future stations. 117Avenue (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • As well as Template:Valley Line (ETS). 117Avenue (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
• Keep. Used on Template talk:ETS LRT route. Useddenim (talk) 13:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't believe that falls into the template scope. 117Avenue (talk) 02:29, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
• Keep. There is probably a place for this to show future plans - but not as the main route diagram template. Secondarywaltz (talk)
  • I think File:Future Edmonton LRT.png does a better job of this. 117Avenue (talk) 02:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
    • I intended it as a supplement, not replacement. Useddenim (talk) 17:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
• Comment: For unknown reasons, the nominator does not want future developments shown. See these reverts ( ) and these discussions: User talk:117Avenue#Template:ETS LRT future, User talk:Secondarywaltz#Template:ETS LRT future. Useddenim (talk) 20:31, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
  • When you see the discussion you'll see I've tried to explain my reasons. 117Avenue (talk) 00:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
    • I’m sorry, but “I don’t like it” is not sufficient grounds for deletion. Useddenim (talk) 17:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
      • I'm sorry you find "like a navbox filled with entries that don't have articles" as "I don't like it", but I try my best to answer users' questions so that they don't come to the conclusion of "for unknown reasons". 117Avenue (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

This entire discussion is becoming moot, given the edits made by 96.52.42.160 (talk · contribs). Useddenim (talk) 10:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Vandal edits, removing discussion notices, blanking pages, and substituting templates, clearly the user doesn't want to be part of the discussion. 117Avenue (talk) 02:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Seems pointless to me. None of the stations have their own articles. The only reason I can justify keeping Template:ETS LRT route is that it is a "clickable" route map, otherwise I'd prefer to keep only File:EdmontonLRT.png and File:Future Edmonton LRT.png. A fourth map is just too much. Thankyoubaby (talk) 05:58, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:ETS LRT route

Template:ETS LRT route (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

• Delete. Unnecessary template. All the information in this template is a subset of Template:ETS LRT future. Useddenim (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. Please don't write your own template, then nominate the one that has been used for years for deletion, bring up your proposed changes for discussion. 117Avenue (talk) 06:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Keep and put the overly complex one on hold. This should mostly show the current route and it's just too soon to show such detailed plans for future expansion. I don't know why the nominator had to blindside the frequent ETS contributors in this manner. Secondarywaltz (talk) 12:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Keep; what's called for here is a merge discussion. Mackensen (talk) 14:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)