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Barnstar, Warm Mouse

Thanks! :) FYI, I'm watching the article, though as I do and check on other things it may dramatically bounce up and down my 'attention scale'. As you might have see me say or just noticed, I don't really write or edit copy, but I can line edit, and mostly try to focus on 'meta-editorial' kind of 'maintenance' things.

If you specifically want me to look at something, you can poke me on my Talk, template:talkback me to more briefly aim me at discussion in a particular place, or just add the page to my 'to do list' for things that are 'mess with this stub sometime'-class. :)

I'm not really an 'expert' on wikiCoding at this point, as I'm only fairly recently actually getting 'involved' in the community and things more complicated than just 'semi-random' factchecking and correction. I know how to do a lot of little basic things that most editors, in their focus on content and copy, seem to consistently miss, though. I'd also love being pointed at articles that do 'interesting' and 'correct' things with code, as I can use them as a reference to non-obvious places in the docs.

An example of what I mean is Rittenhouse Elementary School, a work in progress. The 'nesting' of the infoboxes (it's the NRHP one inside the school one) and the formatting of the EXTREMELY convoluted and extensive citations is all my work, that I recently figured out exactly how to do specifically for that article. Revent (talk) 04:23, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all the details. I'm so new at this everything you say is a learning experience for me. ;-) There's another new tech device I'm going to look into. I see Google Glass has a page started so I'm going to look into another new device people say may be similar to GG but in my research shows they are NOT that similar. It's another pair of video recording glasses that MAY help Alzheimer patients called Epiphany Eyewear. Have you heard about them? Developed by Vergence Labs out of California. Hey the work on Rittenhouse Elementary School looks good, too. Misplaced Pages can be fun once things get moving forward. I find it pretty amazing; especially when new pages can be added for new technology!!! Again, thanks for your wonderful editorial skills. I will probably call on you again if I can get enough citations for Epiphany Eyewear. Enjoy your weekend. 301man (talk) 14:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

I would be happy to provide further suggestions. Just ask. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for taking the time to post this to my talk page. I'm new here and didn't realize the photo was a duplication. Seems like I tried to fix it and just made things more confusing. Appreciate your help. 301man (talk) 18:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi 301man, you don't need to upload multiple copies of the image. Misplaced Pages only accepts images where the copyright holder (usually the person who took the photo) explicitly agrees to publish the image under an acceptable license (such as the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 3.0, GFDL, or Creative Commons Universal Public Domain declaration). If you are, in fact, the copyright holder, meaning you personally held the camera in your hand and took the photo, then these two images are fine. If you are not the copyright holder, then we need a statement of permission from that person. Specifically with File:Erick Miller.png, I note that this is the profile pic from the subject's Facebook page and File:Erick Miller Academy presentation.png is from his Twitter . --B (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013

Please stop. Continuing to remove maintenance templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Erick Miller, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, may be considered disruptive editing. Further edits of this type may result in your account being blocked from editing. You have repeatedly made statements that make it unambiguously clear that you are either Erick Miller or someone with a close connection to him. For example, you state that you personally were the creator of the picture that you uploaded as File:Erick Miller Academy presentation.png, and that you are the copyright owner of File:Erick Miller.png, which was "sent to personally". You can't have it both ways: either you have a personal connection to Miller, or else you don't follow him round taking photographs of him, and he doesn't send you photographs of him and donate their copyright to you. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

JamesBWatson: I am in direct communication with Image Permissions on Misplaced Pages regarding the mistakes I made uploading images. I've only tried to upload images twice, and I made a few mistakes which I tried to fix, but only got worse. I'm new here and need mentors. I removed the COI tag because it was moved to the Talk page where we can discuss your accusations. I have met people like Larry Ellison, Steve Wozniak, John Fry (businessman), Steve Jobs and probably many more named on Misplaced Pages throughout my travels in California. I'm a retired Contractor, and have been in many famous peoples' homes throughout the world. Some I even shared a cocktail with! That does NOT mean I know them personally or there's a COI on Misplaced Pages. When I bumped into Erick Miller in northern and southern California (by accident) I was impressed with how Miller's ideas were being transformed into a possible world changing technology. I have NOT made statements that make it unambiguously clear that I am or closely connected to Miller. Everything stated on the page is information found online or through conversations with people (I realize I need better cites and references - I'm working on it, and as you know, it takes time. I purposely removed some of the statements I made and will replace them once I get confirmed references and cites to post alongside them.). I bumped into Miller a few times... intrigued by his past, present and future endeavors. I heard him speak a few times, too when my wife was in LA attending a conference. He's a presenter or some form of expert for some software based out of (I think) Canada which I still need to research to get the facts straight. Heard he's been all around the world presenting technical subjects which I also need to confirm. Personally, I don't know him well, but believe he's onto something. My wife chatted with either him or his wife, or both, too. I kept digging and discovered he's from Wisconsin. I have relatives there, and some of the kids I know used his books in school! Once bumped into Miller by accident in LA -- snapped a photo. He was presenting to the Academy for some technical art work he did on muscle structure/skin used in films. We chatted briefly, and later I found the piece he made his presentation to the Academy about on youtube.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCB9wZP8k8 That's the piece of work that was being considered for an Academy Award. So, Miller was there making a presentation to the Academy. That's all I know. I don't know if he actually received the award or not. I know more references are needed. If you can help with the page, that would be great! But having it deleted because you are angry with me for removing your COI tag is not fair. I'm new to Misplaced Pages and finding it very frustrating. I'm spending more time here than researching which is frustrating, too. I'd appreciate your help as a mentor here to advance new pages, not remove them. Here's the article that really got me going .... and the work Miller has done and is about to do in the area of new technology: http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/05/why-wait-for-google-glass-epiphany-eyewear-is-here-now-exclusive/ -- I found this quote on a Misplaced Pages Mentor's page.... It's a good one...... "One of the great strengths of civility is that it helps others to see who is in the wrong - when you answer rudeness with rudeness, it only generates noise that makes it harder for people to properly reprimand the person who started it. Let someone be as obnoxious and disgusting and horrible as they want - respond to them with professionalism and don't sink to their level. By doing this, you strengthen the community, build a happier environment for all of us, and make it all the more clear who needs to be banned for general obnoxiousness." Jimbo Wales ---- PEACE JamesBWatson PEACE.... Thank you, 301man (talk) 23:00, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thoughts on the importance of civility from Misplaced Pages's founder

I found this on a Misplaced Pages Mentor's page.... It's a good one...... thanks Cullen328 ....

"One of the great strengths of civility is that it helps others to see who is in the wrong - when you answer rudeness with rudeness, it only generates noise that makes it harder for people to properly reprimand the person who started it. Let someone be as obnoxious and disgusting and horrible as they want - respond to them with professionalism and don't sink to their level. By doing this, you strengthen the community, build a happier environment for all of us, and make it all the more clear who needs to be banned for general obnoxiousness." Jimbo Wales

Some tips

Hello, I responded on my talk page, and will add a bit here. I see that you've picked up some discussions on civility from my pages, originally written by Jimbo Wales, and that you have repeated them here. I am a big advocate of civility, and that is fine and important, but much more than civility is required to be a successful editor here. We are here to build a neutral, reliable encyclopedia about notable topics, summarizing what reliable sources say about a topic. There have been literally millions of attempts to use and abuse Misplaced Pages for promotional purposes, and experienced editors have seen it all, over and over again. Success here requires scrupulous adherence to our policies and guidelines. Articles that fail to comply with policies and guidelines should be deleted. Insistence on that compliance is not incivility. Can you go along with that? Cullen Let's discuss it 03:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Cullen328: Absolutely! I'm all for team work and collaboration! Thanks for the note. I understand completely and research takes time. 301man (talk) 03:55, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Of course, research takes time. That's why I develop new articles in sandboxes, and don't move them to main article space until I have plenty of references showing notability by Misplaced Pages's standards. That's why no article I've worked on extensively has ever been deleted. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm having surgery tomorrow. Doc said 4-6 weeks recovery. Hope I will feel like studying more about Misplaced Pages during that time. I was wondering what the sandbox was. So, I'll make that one of my first things to review. In the meantime, I hope more can be added to Mr.Miller's page so it's not deleted. Thank you.... 301man (talk) 04:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Emails

For various personal reasons, I have only just read your email asking for a copy of Epiphany Eyewear. I have userfied it at User:301man/Epiphany Eyewear for you. Sorry about the delay. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:32, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I've just found your latest email. I don't have time now to give it the amount of thought it would take to give a full answer, so I'll try to deal with it tomorrow. I will, however, just answer one quick point now. If a source is relevant to two articles then there is no reason at all why it can't be used on both.

One other point. Unless there is confidential information which you don't want to make public, it is usually best for messages about Misplaced Pages editing to be on Misplaced Pages talk pages, rather than in emails. If there is some reason why you don't want the content you sent me to be publicly visible, then it was OK to email it, but I can't see anything that looks to me to be confidential. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:46, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

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I added the statement to all images. I am the photographer and took all the photos.301man (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Your article has been moved to AfC space

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Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages! RadioFan (talk) 01:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Deleting Uploaded Images

If you stumble across this post, do you know if there's a way for an editor to delete an image file they own and personally uploaded to Commons? Thank you, 301man (talk) 08:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you eyeball a page for me?

Hello Experienced Editors & Admins:

I've been working on this page for a few months, and maybe it's ready to submit. Before submitting, I'd like some feedback from other editors.

Here's the link if you'd please send me some feedback/comments: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:301man/Erick_Miller

I'll start a new section on my Talk page to get feedback, or you can leave your comments in the Teahouse to discuss. Appreciate your help! Thank you, 301man (talk) 10:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse talkback: you've got messages!

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Using the same reference more than once in an article

Hello Teahouse: Don't know what I'd do without YOU! :-)

Is there a page on Misplaced Pages with instructions for using the same reference in an article more than once without making the Reference appear in the "Reference" section more than once?

I'll post this on my Talk page, too for anyone who wants to add please post a "Teahouse talkback" tag so I'm sure not to miss your assistance. I've looked in Help, but must not be searching right. I can't seem to locate the info I need.

Thank you, 301man (talk) 17:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 301man! This is a problem many editors encounter. Let me use an example: the book Destiny of the Republic is all about the assassination of President Garfield, so in the article Assassination of James A. Garfield, you'll probably use Destiny of the Republic more than once. The first time you use it, you will replace the first <ref> ref tag with <ref name=>, and after the equal sign you will put something short to remember it by, such as the author's last name. For example, for destiny of the republic, I would put <ref name=Millard>, followed by the reference. Then, whenever that reference came up again, I would put <ref name=Millard/>, and that's all. Happy editing! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 17:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll give it a try! Appreciate your help! 301man (talk) 17:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I also found this link. Was hoping for a "How To" page on Misplaced Pages. Truly appreciate your help! http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_81#How_to_use_the_same_reference_more_than_once.3F

Thank you, 301man (talk) 17:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Look at Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once. Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and Help:Footnotes are both good sources for information on writing references. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome!

Welcome to Misplaced Pages, 301man! Thank you for your contributions. I am N2e and I have been editing Misplaced Pages for some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Misplaced Pages:Questions or type {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! N2e (talk) 12:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so very much N2e I appreciate your post so VERY much! Look forward to working with you! 301man (talk) 18:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talkback

N2e (talk) 19:13, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Warm Mouse

I see you added some specs to the Warm Mouse article. Only one of the specs has a citation. But they all should be cited.

There are a couple of ways to do it. If every spec comes from the same source, you can do something like this:

"The specifications for the ValuesRays Warm Mouse are:

• spec 1
• spec 2
• spec n"

Alternatively, if the specs come from different sources, then probably best to have them at the end of each bulleted line, using a ref name tag for any cites that are repeats of what you've used elsewhere.

Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers. N2e (talk) 18:48, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so very much N2e! I believe I understand what you are showing me to do. I'll do my best. I have a few hours today to play here, so I thought I'd do some research to expand the page. Can I use a citation from manufacturer's website? I don't want to do anything wrong. I appreciate your guidance very much. I'll make the edits and please let me know if I did it correctly. Thank you!!! 301man (talk) 19:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Great. Looks much better. And is totally passsable now, as far as citations are concerned.

However, since you are asking to learn, I'll throw out a couple of thoughts for you:

• Generally, leave no space before the first bracket in the reference wikicode: E.g., "The engine has 2,345 pounds-force (10.43 kN) of thrust.<ref>YOUR REF GOES HERE</ref>" rather than "The engine has 2,345 pounds-force (10.43 kN) of thrust. <ref>YOUR REF GOES HERE</ref>"
• Full citations, which include the date accessed, and the date of the material itself (e.g., a new story), etc. are much better than partial refs and bare URLs (which are badly subject to WP:LINKROT). As currently numbered, citation no. 9 is an example of a full cite, whereas your no. 2 is not. So maybe use a {{cite web}} formatted cite and add the relevant fields. If the source doesn have a date, then I typically use the accessed date as part of the refname (typically as yyymmdd, since it is universally understood around the world, and the US date formats are not, just so other/future users of that ref in a large article know on what date the source was accessed. Websites change all the time. If, on the other hand, it has a date, then I append that date to the some shortened form of the publisher in the refname.
• as a general rule, reliable secondary sources are always preferred to primary sources; however, with product specs, often the company's own website may be where we find some specs published. (so I did not tag your primary source with a {{primary source}} tag).

Hope this is all helpful. N2e (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much N2e. Your guidance is helpful and will remain on my Talk page forever as future reference. 301man (talk) 21:32, 9 September 2013 (UTC)