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	== Censored media / category cleanup ==

	:See ]
	I think we need a category for censored media. Any ideas for the name? ]? It could become the parent category for ], ] (which should probably be renamed to Censorship in the visual arts), ] and ]. I wonder if ] should be included? Also, those categories seem to mix the organizations doing censoring, and the subjects (creators and media) being censored. What a mess... --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 02:31, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

	:I like your thinking here! Journalism, however, could technically be newspapers, magazines, broadcast, or online, or several of those categories now. I've noticed that journalism has a category called, Category:Freedom of the press (which isn't listed under the category --> Censorship). Journalism is also covered by "Censorship in ... (by country) and it seems to make sense that it's organized by nation rather than medium. I'm in agreement with you about the mess. The box that is included in the series "Censorship" has been helpful in mentally organizing the information... ] (]) 22:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

	::Yes, you are right, we are missing the category for press entirely! We certainly need a category, I'd suggest ] as a subcategory to ]. For now, I've done the following edits:
	::]and ] moved to ]
	:::But are entertaiment raiting organizations censoring? I wonder if ] should be added to Censors as well, or removed from category:censorship entirely? It's not like the media content rating system is doing any censorship.
	:::And I am tempted to add ] there as well, as one becomes a censor by self-censorship.
	::I'd like to create ] and move ] and ] there
	::I'd to remove ] from Category:Censorship, as not all controversies resulted in censorship
	::I would now like to create the aforementioned Censorship by media category, and move all of the categories mentioned in my first post, including the Internet censorship, there. I'd probably create the some more nuanced categories (], ], ] and such), but I doubt I'll have time to populate them properly. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 02:58, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

	The relationship between censorship and self-regulation in entertainment varies by country, but in the United States the former censorship of films eventually gave way to self-regulation in the form of film ratings (such as PG, R, X). Some self-censorship occurs whenever producers attempt to modify the content in order to gain a more favorable rating for a targeted demographic, for example. Likewise, the music and video game industries adopted self-regulation to avoid harsher regulations that would have been government imposed. Regardless of country, the topic really lends itself to a spectrum of categories.] (]) 18:43, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
	:I think you raise valid points. How would you modify my above proposal? Should we start a ] to ask for more input from others? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 21:56, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

	=== RFC ===
	We are looking for more input on how to restructure censorship-related categories. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 17:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
	:There seem three natural ways to slice it, geographical, medium and reason. Reason being: safety, judical, political, military, religious, moral, commercial - off the top of my head. ''] ]'', <small>19:01, 2 December 2011 (UTC).</small><br />
	::Is there a reason why there can't be parallel categorisations so ] and ]? That said I'm not sure that "reason" is going to be a neutral classification - if a government says they're censoring for the protectifinof their citizens but a notable organisation of ex-pats say that it's actually political censorship, how is it to be categorised? 16:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
	I am responding to a request for comment and have not commented on this page. Presently this page seems to be more of a political commentary than anything else. I wonder whether a more neutral article could be produced by looking at the history of censorship. In the case of the UK it was illegal to print publish domestic news for a considerable period. Also in the UK, the Lord Chancellor's Office censored udesirable scenes and language from plays and books until the early 1960s. I think that the banning of books and newspapers etc is different to censorship which seeks to change the precise nature of the publication. Controlling the media etc might be better included under Freedom of the Press - in the UK we currently have a very interesting investigation where News International journalists felt "free" to hack phones etc and possible to bribe Police Officers. ] (]) 23:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)]

	== BBC blocked in Pakistain ==

	The BBC is censored in Pakistai. The article does not note this point. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:20, 3 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:If there is a reliable source for this, it is something that could go in the ] article. -] (]) 20:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

	== Proposal for new section: History of Censorship? ==		== Proposal for new section: History of Censorship? ==

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Proposal for new section: History of Censorship?

This page feels somewhat incomplete, I wonder what my fellow editors feel about the proposal to include a new section on the "History of Censorship" that would look at Censorship throughout history, does this seem like a good idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.56.4 (talk) 03:12, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

That would be a very good idea. It seems that one could get the mistaken impression from reading this article that censorship was invented in the Soviet Union. A historical section for these kind of basic terms are always most welcome. Just don't forget to include reliable sources. --Saddhiyama (talk) 13:31, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I have inserted a new history section as discussed and approved on the talk page for this article. Please modify as you see fit, it is only a first draft.65.50.222.210 (talk) 01:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)Fretzer

I've removed the bit about Siduri as it's source was a fringe self-published document and I can't source it. I added Plato who advocated censorship, and removed some original research about censorship going back 100,000 years (extremely unlikely when you look at what current thinking is about the development of language and certainly impossible to prove) and about liberty/freedom. Dougweller (talk) 13:02, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Redlinks, possible articles to create

Redlinks in main article page, possible articles to create. — Cirt (talk) 22:47, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Music Censorship

The music censorship section is problematic. The assertion that music censorship is almost always a human rights violation is an opinion form someone's random web page. (see cite) This assertion is not verifiable. 174.44.52.91 (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2013‎

The citation is from Freemuse web site. It seems to be more than just "someone's random web page", but rather the web site for (from the About Freemuse page):

a non-profit organisation registered in Denmark;
an independent international organisation which advocates freedom of expression for musicians and composers worldwide;
an organisation born of the 1st World Conference on Music and Censorship held in Copenhagen in November 1998;
a membership organisation with its secretariat based in Copenhagen, Denmark;
an organisation funded by The Swedish International development Cooperation Agency (SIDA), The Sigrid Rausing Trust, Roskilde Festival Charity Society, Björn Afzelius International Culture Foundation (BAIK), and Sweden’s Special Initiative for Democratisation and Freedom of Expression; and
an organisation with Special Consultative Status with the United Nation‘s Economic and Social Council, ECOSOC, since 2012.

--Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 13:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Censorship in some individual countries

To the best of my knowledge, South Korea does not have pervasive censorship. However, they do filter adult material, North-Korean sympathetic results, and some YouTube videos from search engines catering to Korea. Please double-check this info and add to the map if it is correct. If it is, I think the map should be changed (South Korea goes into selective censorship)

Also, I believe that Japan censors pornography. Again, please verify this information. (Japan is moved from no censorship to selective censorship).

I believe the United Kingdom censors Pirate Bay. Yet again, please verify this info. (UK moved from no censorship to selective censorship).

First talk page edit, please clean up if there are any mistakes and let me know. Thanks. Kimchipie2000 (talk) 07:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

These comments all relate to the Internet censorship map, is that correct? The map is based on the material in the Internet censorship by country article. And the material in that article is in turn based on information in reports from Reporters Without Borders and the OpenNet Initiative. Misplaced Pages isn't rating the amount of censorship in individual countries itself, but rather summarizes the ratings that have been done by others. I believe that the map matches the article and the article matches its sources, but you should feel free to check that yourself and let us know if you find something that is out of wack. The category label used for the Japan and UK on the map is "Little or no censorship" rather than "no censorship" which at least opens the door to a small amount of Internet censorship in those and most other countries. Japan was a bit of a problem since it is not rated by the usual sources. There is a discussion about this at Talk:Internet censorship by country#Where is Japan?. And, finally, the Censorship by country article summarizes censorship issues beyond just Internet censorship. Hope this helps. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 14:47, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

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