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I will go ahead and fix the text myself. However, me writing in your talk page was not about the text per se, but about your behaviour. '''You have been warned about your editing before by other users (eg: with respect to how use sources, "I'm trying to fix your long pattern of disruptive editing with chronic close paraphrasing and plagiarism (and keep my cool while doing so"''' ). It is clear that my attempt at addressing your behaviour has failed, so I will not bother about this in your talk page anymore. But any future attempts at falsifying sources will be referred to ARBCOM. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:11, 21 October 2013 (UTC) | I will go ahead and fix the text myself. However, me writing in your talk page was not about the text per se, but about your behaviour. '''You have been warned about your editing before by other users (eg: with respect to how use sources, "I'm trying to fix your long pattern of disruptive editing with chronic close paraphrasing and plagiarism (and keep my cool while doing so"''' ). It is clear that my attempt at addressing your behaviour has failed, so I will not bother about this in your talk page anymore. But any future attempts at falsifying sources will be referred to ARBCOM. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:11, 21 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
== Apologies and disengaging == | |||
Proudbolsahye, sorry for the outburst yesterday. It was after a long, tiring trip, but that is no excuse for being so jagged. My tolerance levels were lower than they should have been. However, it also alerts me to the fact that I probably can't constructively add to pages you've edited without having similar frustrations--and wikipedia doesn't pay well enough to be that frustrated. So I'll be disengaging from the discussions. I trust in your judgement in removing the tags from the appropriate pages when the problems are fixed and hope that you'll at some point begin changing writing style, fixing close paraphrasing on old pages it may have slipped in to, and not having articles which are 90% quoting original source material (see ] and compare that to the ] article). But you won't see me paying attention to those pages anymore--good luck with the editing. ] (]) 01:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Blocked user asks for revenge
Since you reported the specific user (TD23), I believe it's necessary to inform you that he tries to 'enlighten;' a number of potential 'friends' (mostly co-ethnics), in order to save the mess he created in a variety of articles. Typical example ] (he is begging to save his very edits in the same nationalistic style).Alexikoua (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
This turns to be pathetic, an extreme madness ].Alexikoua (talk) 22:38, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
LOL...just take it to WP:ANI....Proudbolsahye (talk) 00:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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I have asked that Turkish people be reassessed as far as its GA status is concerned due to stability and neutrality concerns, in line with your earlier request. Athenean (talk) 02:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds great. Glad you took up the concern I raised. I'll review the reassessment and comment accordingly. Proudbolsahye (talk) 03:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Urartu
Lütfen Urartu maddesinde yer alan kategorileri kaldırmayınız. Prehistoric Anatolia kategorisini kaldırmanıza hiçbir anlam veremedim. Prehistory of Anatolia adlı maddeyi inceleyebilirsiniz. --Esc2003 (talk) 10:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
- We can keep pre-history of Anatolia. But the article makes no reference to it being as a part of Iranian/Persian cultural heritage or hostory. Proudbolsahye (talk) 14:28, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
- Eger bu kateogoriler bugunki Turkiye ve Iran sinirlarinda icerisinde bulunan eski medeniyetlerden bahsetiliyorsa, sorun degil. Ama Urartu bugunki Turk ve Iran toplumun bi miras olarak gorunmiyor. Urartu eski Ermenistan olarak bilinmektedir. Yani "Proto-Amenian"...wikipedia maddesi ve Misplaced Pages toplulugunda zaten bunu bi gercek olarak goriyor. Proudbolsahye (talk) 23:34, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I think I've done what you requested. Can you take another look, please? Thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 17:37, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks for your help. Jack1956 (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Pənahabad coin
Hi . Your omition in article Shusha seems to delete an important image . As you know , there is an ongoing struggle between Armenian and Azeri sides about the history of the region . A coin with the text of Fathali shah is important in showing the loyalty of the Azeri side to Qajars . As you wrote " I couldn't find image elsewhere. if anyone can find it...feel free to repost it to the article " , I did find the image in this address :The coin . It would be of great help to the article if you re-include the image to the article .
By the way , the article in Azeri Misplaced Pages about the coin is using the wrong image of copper coin (FULUS) instead of silver Pənahabad . Again I think showing the image in English Misplaced Pages can also correct the Azeri article .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 15:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
- Totally fine with me. As long as the link works. Proudbolsahye (talk) 19:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
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The file keeps being nominated for deletion without evidence of it having copyright violations. turkiclang (talk) 12:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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Ashy-faced Owl
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Thanks for the welcome. I added the criminal template and added what happened after the murder, which was on Zohrab's article. I don't know that much more about him and don't have any of the books sourced, though it does sound like he was ordered to commit the murders and was then used as a scapegoat. Just my speculation though. HouseOfArtaxiad (talk) 16:45, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
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Refugees of Hamidian massacre
I uploaded a cleaned up version of this image. It is here. I also left a note here. – JBarta (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Jbarta (talk · contribs), thank you so much for taking the time and effort to restoring the photograph. It looks great. The photograph has received a lot of attention since it portrays such a powerful emotion. I think we should do anything we can to restore or improve its quality so that it receives the FP status is deserves. Unfortunately, there have been some difficulties, as me and Centpaccr already recognized, which is making it extremely difficult to have a "perfect" rendition where everyone may support or oppose in unison. Oppose votes have ranged from complaints that the photograph was "too altered" or "not altered enough" with some stating that it shouldn't have been altered at all. I think this is a problem when it comes to FP nominations in general. If a photograph has been altered, voters will have their own alterations in their own mind which will never appeal to ones individual subjective point of view. It's become a true Catch 22. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:37, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- The basic problem is that the first "restoration" was pretty badly done. You may not notice it, but as you have seen... others did. Hopefully this new edit will be better recieved because it's a more straightforward cleanup... taking the time to do it well and not getting silly with destructive edits. I don't know if it will cross the FP threshold, but we'll see how it goes. If it gets no attention there, submit it as a new candidate after the current one expires. – JBarta (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds good Jbarta...I'll take your advice :) Thx once again. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:28, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Let me know if and when you nominate the new edit so I can see any comments made. – JBarta (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds good Jbarta...I'll take your advice :) Thx once again. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:28, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- The basic problem is that the first "restoration" was pretty badly done. You may not notice it, but as you have seen... others did. Hopefully this new edit will be better recieved because it's a more straightforward cleanup... taking the time to do it well and not getting silly with destructive edits. I don't know if it will cross the FP threshold, but we'll see how it goes. If it gets no attention there, submit it as a new candidate after the current one expires. – JBarta (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
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The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Falsification of sources again
This is my third and last warning to you, since you deleted the previous thread in your talk page. Looking into various sources even briefly, it is clear that Turkification has various meanings: 1) removal of non-Turkish elements from a geographical area through deportation, killing, etc; 2) assimilation of non-Turkish people themselves; 3) both. It is also clear that Akçam (2012) uses the second definition, as Turkification being solely defined as assimilation (p. 29). Akçam (2012) does not define policy of "homogenization" as a policy of Turkification, but defines Turkification as a sub-policy (the other being cleansing) of homogenization. Therefore, it is, again, falsification of sources to say "Non-Turkish minorities, such as the Armenians during the Armenian Genocide, and the Greeks during various campaigns of ethnic cleansing and expulsion, experienced policies of Turkification" and cite Akçam (2012) to support it. This is more relevant because you also added Turkification into the lead. And then you used Turkification in the body of article, suggesting it is a policy of genocide and ethnic cleansing, without any qualifiers. Does that mean ethnic cleansing and genocide began with Seljuk Turks in the 11th century?
This is a very simple point, and the issue could have been fixed easily. Yet, despite this, and despite multiple warnings you have persisted in falsifying sources. You have also deleted the page number in which Akçam (2012) defines Turkification, and changed the definition to fit the sentence you wrote based on that "the entire book is placed under the context that turkification and homogenization was one of the goals of the armenian genocide (per third party sources and taner akcam himself)" . It is patently ridiculous that you changed a term an author specifically defines based on your perception of what the context is or based on third party sources. That is, again, falsification of the source.
I will go ahead and fix the text myself. However, me writing in your talk page was not about the text per se, but about your behaviour. You have been warned about your editing before by other users (eg: with respect to how use sources, "I'm trying to fix your long pattern of disruptive editing with chronic close paraphrasing and plagiarism (and keep my cool while doing so" 22:41, 20 September 2013). It is clear that my attempt at addressing your behaviour has failed, so I will not bother about this in your talk page anymore. But any future attempts at falsifying sources will be referred to ARBCOM. Cavann 23:11, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Apologies and disengaging
Proudbolsahye, sorry for the outburst yesterday. It was after a long, tiring trip, but that is no excuse for being so jagged. My tolerance levels were lower than they should have been. However, it also alerts me to the fact that I probably can't constructively add to pages you've edited without having similar frustrations--and wikipedia doesn't pay well enough to be that frustrated. So I'll be disengaging from the discussions. I trust in your judgement in removing the tags from the appropriate pages when the problems are fixed and hope that you'll at some point begin changing writing style, fixing close paraphrasing on old pages it may have slipped in to, and not having articles which are 90% quoting original source material (see WP:SECONDARY and compare that to the Henry H. Riggs article). But you won't see me paying attention to those pages anymore--good luck with the editing. AbstractIllusions (talk) 01:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)