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| ::::The main idea here is that you have been editing against the consensus on this several times. When several editors make arguments in favor of retaining the section name "In popular culture" and you -- and you alone -- repeatedly revert that, you are editing against the consensus. This has brought about two blocks for you so far. Whether or not you are right is immaterial. "Everybody minus you" is a consensus. You editing against "everybody minus you" is edit warring. The longer it takes you to hear this, the more animosity you are going to generate. - ] (]) 02:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC) | ::::The main idea here is that you have been editing against the consensus on this several times. When several editors make arguments in favor of retaining the section name "In popular culture" and you -- and you alone -- repeatedly revert that, you are editing against the consensus. This has brought about two blocks for you so far. Whether or not you are right is immaterial. "Everybody minus you" is a consensus. You editing against "everybody minus you" is edit warring. The longer it takes you to hear this, the more animosity you are going to generate. - ] (]) 02:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :::::First, SummerPHD, ''please do not make threats'', '''this is what's called a "discussion".''' I asked for a discussion, but you give me irrational anger. ''Please calm down''. But this is exactly "trivia", lists of random ephemera that can not be fitted into the actual article. Now. Do you think that most "trivia" is not "culturally relevant"? I beg to differ. Most "trivia" is most certainly "culturally relevant". But, it is none the less, lists of unrelated "trivia" that has not been "fitted" into the article. '''Ken, please keep your tone civil.''' =//= ] 02:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC) | :::::First, SummerPHD, ''please do not make threats'', '''this is what's called a "discussion".''' I asked for a discussion, but you give me irrational anger. ''Please calm down''. But this is exactly "trivia", lists of random ephemera that can not be fitted into the actual article. Now. Do you think that most "trivia" is not "culturally relevant"? I beg to differ. Most "trivia" is most certainly "culturally relevant". But, it is none the less, lists of unrelated "trivia" that has not been "fitted" into the article. '''Ken, please keep your tone civil.''' =//= ] 02:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
| You know, it's funny, you folks talk of discussion and consensus, but when I ask for "discussion", all you give me is THREATS. So nice, so very nice. You know what this is called? Soviet Russia where Socialism is actually Communism, and Communism is actually a DICTATORSHIP. Now, would you gentalmen like to simmer down and discuss? |
You know, it's funny, you folks talk of discussion and consensus, but when I ask for "discussion", all you give me is THREATS. So nice, so very nice. You know what this is called? Soviet Russia where Socialism is actually Communism, and Communism is actually a DICTATORSHIP. Now, would you gentalmen like to simmer down and discuss? Or are you laying down the LAW of incestuous Misplaced Pages relationships where one editor washes the back of another? | ||
| I'm here to talk about the differences between "trivia" and "In Popular Culture", and if you want to pontificate about your correctness, I'm not interested. =//= ] 02:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC) | I'm here to talk about the differences between "trivia" and "In Popular Culture", and if you want to pontificate about your correctness, I'm not interested. =//= ] 02:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
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Non-consensus edits
You've been changing "In popular culture" sections to the heading "Trivia" and marking them with the "trivia" template. There is no consensus for this, so please stop doing it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Jonny, you have had years of editors asking not to do this. You have no backing and a history of being blocked over it. Please give it up and listen to the WP community. Span (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- There is no "consensus" about about this issue, and I have discussed it here before: For some odd reason, "trivia" is looked down on, yet the exact same material can be labeled "In Popular Culture" and be OK. Odd. If the content is essentially the same, they are synonyms. Why not be HONEST? Because you don't like the term "trivia" and don't think it is "encyclopedic"? Honestly is there any real difference between "In Popular Culture" and "trivia"? I challenge you to make a considered and valid argument against my point. Let's discuss it. =//= Johnny Squeaky 02:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Labelling it as "trivia" is what's dishonest, because "in popular culture" and "trivia" are not, by any stretch of the imagination "synonyms". That you think they are is the beginning of your misperception.
"In popular culture" sections are relevant and non-trivial because they show how the subject in question is perceived in the media, and what the writers, filmmakers, musicians and game designers think about it. That's important material because it places the subject in context.
Yes, popcult sections can grow like Topsy, and they need to be watched and trimmed back when they grow to be too fannish, or start to deal with unsourced interpretation or analysis, but they are not per se trivial, and there is no consensus discussion anywhere on Wilkipedia which supports labelling them as such. The color of Johnny Rotten's socks is trivia. The hair products used by is trivia, how the media portrays The Godfather, and how those memes have spread is not.
You may disagree with this take on things, that's fine, but you cannot act on that disagreement without having a consensus to do so, and you know it isn't there, so please stop doing it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not the main point: I have previously explained that I believe (and others seem to agree) that not all trivia is "in popular culture" (Lawrence Welk's license plate was "A1NA2" is trivia, but not IPC) and not all IPC content is trivia (the Empire State Building's appearance in King Kong is non-trivial IPC). They are not synonyms. Yes, some IPC sections are listings of trivial IPC inclusions. They should be tagged and cleaned up or deleted.
- The main idea here is that you have been editing against the consensus on this several times. When several editors make arguments in favor of retaining the section name "In popular culture" and you -- and you alone -- repeatedly revert that, you are editing against the consensus. This has brought about two blocks for you so far. Whether or not you are right is immaterial. "Everybody minus you" is a consensus. You editing against "everybody minus you" is edit warring. The longer it takes you to hear this, the more animosity you are going to generate. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- First, SummerPHD, please do not make threats, this is what's called a "discussion". I asked for a discussion, but you give me irrational anger. Please calm down. But this is exactly "trivia", lists of random ephemera that can not be fitted into the actual article. Now. Do you think that most "trivia" is not "culturally relevant"? I beg to differ. Most "trivia" is most certainly "culturally relevant". But, it is none the less, lists of unrelated "trivia" that has not been "fitted" into the article. Ken, please keep your tone civil. =//= Johnny Squeaky 02:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Labelling it as "trivia" is what's dishonest, because "in popular culture" and "trivia" are not, by any stretch of the imagination "synonyms". That you think they are is the beginning of your misperception.
- There is no "consensus" about about this issue, and I have discussed it here before: For some odd reason, "trivia" is looked down on, yet the exact same material can be labeled "In Popular Culture" and be OK. Odd. If the content is essentially the same, they are synonyms. Why not be HONEST? Because you don't like the term "trivia" and don't think it is "encyclopedic"? Honestly is there any real difference between "In Popular Culture" and "trivia"? I challenge you to make a considered and valid argument against my point. Let's discuss it. =//= Johnny Squeaky 02:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
You know, it's funny, you folks talk of discussion and consensus, but when I ask for "discussion", all you give me is THREATS. So nice, so very nice. You know what this is called? Soviet Russia where Socialism is actually Communism, and Communism is actually a DICTATORSHIP. Now, would you gentalmen like to simmer down and discuss? Or are you laying down the LAW of incestuous Misplaced Pages relationships where one editor washes the back of another?
I'm here to talk about the differences between "trivia" and "In Popular Culture", and if you want to pontificate about your correctness, I'm not interested. =//= Johnny Squeaky 02:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)