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The History of Macedonian football team is non of your business because you aren't Macedonian, so don't bother yourself to delete or edit anything that belongs to the Macedonian posts and articles. You should edit your own country's posts and articles. What sources do you have about Macedonia?? This is Macedonian football history and has nothing to do with you.If you are destroying in purpose all the Macedonian articles by twisting the truth and reality it doesn't help at all. You are just doing Chauvinist propaganda and you spread National hate. Remember if you spread bad propaganda against your neighbor countries ,that means your country is bad too ,think about it. You should give a support and improve the image of the region ,instead destroying it.And remember you have no Macedonian sources for any Macedonian article simply because you aren't Macedonian ,only Macedonians can edit delete or post for their own subject and matter. Our warning to you ,We are not afraid of you blocking our edits here ,and if you keep going with this Nationalist propaganda Chauvinism and Hate speech,we might start looking for you and face you in person,so watch out !

Nationalistic Aagenda and POV-pushing is not welcome on this encyclopedia. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 19:12, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Aromanians

You support your opinion about Balkan people on a Sultan's firman? Is sultan ethnologist or sociologist?

If we accept (I say "if") sultan's firman as a sociology study(!), we should mention the following:

Vlachs are the today Romanians.

Aromanians is a different tribe far away from the Romanian lands, with a different ethnic backround, different origin and different customs. The only connection with the Vlachs (today's Romanians) is that their languages come from Latin (separated from latin laguage in different centuries and with individual differencies). In 1905 Romanian Foreign Policy and Propaganda tried to usurp Aromanians in order to extend their influence in Southern Balkans. After 2 decades of propaganda, money spended and pressoures to the Ottoman government (supported also by Austrungaria) for that scope, Ottoman Administration recognized the Aromanians, not as an individual nation, but as part of the Great Vlach (Romanian) nation and allowed them to have the Romanian school and church system.

So, this firman, is just a proof that Aromanians are connected with the Greeks, since Ottomans tried unsuccessfully, to put them under Romanian control, during the Macedonian struggle. Additionally I would like to mention that Aromanians declare to be Greeks in 99% percentage for the last two centuries (that we have data). And another thing: from the 18th century Aromanians used to consist Greco-Roman Associations in central Europe as immigrants, because the believed in common nationality.

According to the above, I correct the article. User:Pyraechmes Chrusts

FK Vardar

FK Vardar is a Macedonian Football club, the club changed its name several times during its history, from original Vardar in 1911 to Citizens Football Club Vardar or just Citizens( Gragjanski in Macedonian ) in 1920, then Football Club Makedonija in 1946 and finally back to FC Vardar in 1947. By the name FC Citizens( Vardar ) the club won 4 championships from 1936 till 1939. About Yugoslavia, you have to know that Yugoslavia was a federation of 6 Republics -countries together and each Republic had its own championship, and there was a Federal League where teams from the Republics competed together. Each Republic had its own Cup and the cup winners competed in the Marshals Cup, that cup was held in honor of Joseph Broz the marshal of the Federation, and its was called the Cup of the Marshal. How ever FC Vardar never won the Federal league ( League made of Federation of 6 Republics best teams ,thats why its called the Federal League, and not Yugoslavian League nor Yugoslavian Cup). The title in 1987 was won by FC Partizan Belgrade , you can check in any official statistics or documents. The second federal league was made of two Second Federal Leagues , East ( 3 Republics competed, Serbia ,Monte Negro,Macedonia and two Provinces- almost the same as Republics but yet without a nation ,those were Kosovo and Vojvodinship ) and West ( 3 Republics, Croatia, Bosnia and Slovenia, sometimes clubs from province Vojvodinship would compete in the West depending on the federation decisions ). In the period of 1922 till 1929, present day Republic of Macedonia was established as 4 provinces within the Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes, those 4 provinces were Skopje, Bitola,Shtip and Vranje prvinces. These 4 provinces established the Macedonian Football Federation in 1926,and they held 3 championships. In 1929 these 4 provinces joined in one Duchy and this championship was held in the Duchy ( Banovina ) for 11 times.During the WW2 the championship was held under German Occupation, and the German government recognized this League. After the WW2 the very same championship was transformed in to Republic Football League ,just the Province of Vranje was separated from the Republic as Macedonia transformed from Duchy to a Republic and the province of Vranje was under the newly made Republic of Serbia in 1946. The bottom line is since the Federation of 6 Republics split in the 90s, Macedonian Republic League was transformed in to Macedonian First League. So it is the same League that changed names and competition format during the decades, and now it came to this Level. Its a petty that there is lots of politics and territorial pretensions lots of denial of the existence of the Macedonia and other Republics in the Federation , by the Serbian side. Serbian official politic is to show that Yugoslavia was one country and nation mainly based on Serb character and they are stilling all the history including history of sports in this case football. They are trying to show the world that there was Yugoslav nation ( Serb ) and only Yugoslav Football league ( Serb League ) denying the Federal League second Federal League and Republic Leagues. They want to show only Yugoslav League and not the real Federal League. They hold all the champions from the Federal League as Serbian Champions in every competition. For FC Vardar at this point of view considering that Macedonia is not in the Federetion for more than 20 years,and it wont be in the future ,the most important are the titles and trophies won in the Macedonian League , and if you want to put additional trophies won in the Federation ,the period before 1991 you should write the precise informations. Second Federal League East is the name of the competition, and you should put the Macedonian Flag from that period of the time next to it,instead of the federal flag, simply because that federation dont exist anymore and doesnt represent any country nor nation. About the cup , you should write down the real proper name as it was called ,Marshals Cup also fallowed by Macedonian flag from that period of the time, you should put a notice that in the Federal Second League East , clubs from Serbia Macedonia and Monte Negro competed including the provinces of Kosovo and Vojvodinship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Lindberg (talk • contribs) 17:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Republic of Macedonia gained independence in 1991. Until then it was constituent Republic of the only sovereign state in the area Communist Yugoslavia. Jingiby (talk) 09:44, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hm I think you are Serbian ? Am I right? The name of the country was Socialist Federal Republic ( means Federation of 6 Republics,6 Nations ) you can read the constitution od SFRJ, it was Socialist Federation ,with Social Democrat establishment free Economy ,non of the companies were property of the government, so its not even close to a Communist country.Do you understand the word Federation? six countries in one Federation,six nations in Federal Union, every single Republic had its own president prime minister and parliament. European Union is very good example for you, dont tell me that Germany France Italy Spain and other countries are only sovereign states of Communist Europe ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Lindberg (talk • contribs) 15:11, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

(Talk-page stalker) James, Vardar and Gradjanski are NOT the same club. And stop saying "Citizens" for Gradjanski... FkpCascais (talk) 00:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I see you are a Serbian and Jingby is Bulgarian, I understand your antiMacedonian Propaganda here on the net. Citizens is the English translation so everybody can understand, and yes its the same Club established in 1911. Citizens Football Club Vardar 1911 it was renamed couple of times yes thats true but its the same team playing on the same stadium even using the same colors for long time, the basic red is still present in the jersey kits. Stop destroying Macedonian threads and articles ,mind your own business and edit your Bulgarian and Serbian adds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Lindberg (talk • contribs) 21:51, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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Mixture

Of course there were. The Romans practiced a lot of measure re-settlement. Actually Sarmatians were settled in Macedonia also, some of those "300, 000) (not doubt exaggerated figure by the Romans) Limigantes redistrubuted throughtout Moesia Inferior, Dacia Ripensis and Macedonia; there were also "Goths", possibly Cumans (-> Cumanovo), and even a group of Magyars ! There were Kuvars people also. Don't think there were any Pechenges, they all went to NE Bulgaria and around Belgrade. (see Curta). Unfortunately , there were no Celts. They raided, but not settled in Macedonia. They settled around Belgrade (Scrodisci) and Bulgaria (Tylis, etc) Slovenski Volk (talk) 23:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

For now, I have amended it slightly to what we have references for. If you can find references for Kumans that would be great ! I couldnt find it in Curta's paper. Slovenski Volk (talk) 00:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

The Historical dictionary of Republic of Macedonia mentiones Pechenegs' as Turkic settlers in Byzantine Macedonia, together with Kumans and Vardariots during 11-12th century. However, Curta wrote: It has been noted that the earliest Pecheneg raids into the Balkans shifted from west (1027) to east (1036), in order to spare provinces that had been attacked in previous years. The reason for this shift in raiding appears to be that the regions of western Bulgaria, Serbia, and Macedonia were less fortifed. Jingiby (talk) 16:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi I replied on my TP Slovenski Volk (talk) 02:30, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and as for the Pechenegs - yes they raided Macedonia, but they were not settled there. Only around Belgrade and NE Bulgaria. Raiding is different from settlement. The aim of raiding is raping and pillaging. Settlement was only ever done with Roman permission - federates or defeated, pacified and Christianized/ Romanizsed enemies - eg Getae, Sarmatians, Carpi, etc were all defeated groups, not groups which forced their way in. Becuase a raiding group can go all the way to Greece, camp the winter there, but ultimately can never settle becuase the Romans would always eventually 'catch up with them'. Even with the Slavs/ Avars, the emerging evidence suggests that, yes they raided, but did not settle till later. it appears that the Byzantines tactically withdrew much of the population of the Balkans further south. Then the Slavs settled (? were allowed to settle) by Phocas or Heraclius. The problem is the sources are silent on this matter, becuase the Byzantine historians of the 8th/ 9th century disliked those Emperors. Slovenski Volk (talk) 08:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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