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Belgian Ebony Shoe

Hi Limo, sorry I changed your useful additions. Actually I thought Ebony shoe was given for the year and not the season... I'll change that in the article. There's still much to do in the football articles so, feel free to add some info here and there. Thanx again for the correction, Julien Tuerlinckx 13:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Club Brugge

Hi again. I saw you added the squad to the club brugge article. This is a good job. However, the standard for squad representation has been set up at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/Clubs. You can retrieve the template at any Belgian (except Standard) and Italian clubs or at some English ones. If you have the time to do this, it would be quite nice. Thanx, Julien Tuerlinckx 14:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Hep. Thanx for changing the squad. I removed the Polish flag for Klukowski as we decided to keep only one (I hope I kept the right one). If you like, you can create a new category Category:Club Brugge K.V. players and add all the past and present players in that category (have a look at Football World Cup 1998 (squads), Football World Cup 1994 (squads) and Football World Cup 2002 (squads)). Julien Tuerlinckx 11:18, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind. I did it for Brugge and Standard too. But if you like there is still much to do in Belgian football. Nice job on the Dutch portal. Cheers, Julien Tuerlinckx 16:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary

Hi! thanx again for your work on belgian football (especially in the nl version). Just wanted to ask you if you could try to add an edit summary when you make edits so that other people know what changes you brought to the article. I know it's boring but I admit it's quite useful. Julien Tuerlinckx 19:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah actually that's what I do too (the diff thing, and by the way I'm quite sure that's what we all do) but it could permit me to avoid doing that when you just added the ] to the article, esp. when you do that for several articles the same day. Anyway, I used to never add edit summaries esp. on little watched pages like those on Bel. foot (as you said) and talk pages and I still forget it sometimes so I can't "throw you the stone" (if this means something). Finally, I admit I can't wait to read other people prose about this topic so be bold when you will be writing stuff in the en-en.

Belgian record

I had noticed the remark but never found time to look for a source to check and then forgot about it. I see that you did look for it and Planet World Cup is a nice one indeed. Maybe we can try something like "Belgium has the longest streak of qualifying for World Cups via the normal/usual^1 qualifying tournament, with six." And the 1 would refer to the same remark reworded (and maybe plus the fact they qualified as winners in 1986). Anyway I'll let you manage that.Julien Tuerlinckx 18:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Translation request

Hi. I wrote the article Regent Parrot mostly by translating the Dutch article at nl:Bergparkiet. There were some words etc. where my Dutch let me down, and those remain commented out. I'd appreciate it if you could edit the article and finish the translation. Thanks for your time and attention. Cheers, Tomer 09:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking in on it and for the additional information. I hope you don't mind if I call on you again. :-) Tomer 20:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Dunk meister

I responded to your common on my talk page, I was going to jsut paste it here but figured its better to have the wonle conversation in one place. Dalf | Talk 18:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: signatures

From the top of my talk: For a number of reasons, ... this user signs with five tildes, not four. Thanks for your attention. 18:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

gfdl

Tried to push my article? There is no way I would push my articles unless I made money from that, something which gfdl is not about. Thepcnerd 02:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit Summary

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/wangi 09:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:High Icelandic

There are several issues here. First off the definition of vandalism. According to official policy, NPOV disputes are not vandalism. That is not to say that the edits being made by the user involved should stay, or are appropriate.

I removed that report from WP:VIP because of the above, combined with there being no need to issue an immediate block. Adding it to the CVU watchlist probably wouldn't help much, as the CVU mostly looks out for so called 'blatant' vandalism, i.e. vandalism that is obvious at a glance. In this case more digging into the articles history is required. I've added the article to my personal watchlist, and I'd be happy to help keep it clean if possible (I'm not an expert on the subject, but I'll try and read the article properly and be a neutral party in the matter).

I am sorry to say the RfC's and similar processes (which are the correct ones in content dispute cases) can often fail. As I said above I'll try and look more closely at this article and give further assistance where possible. Possibly of use in this situation is requests for page protection (asking for semi-protection to prevent IPs editing the article), however that generally only gets applied in extreme cases, when an article is under heavy attack.

Final point of note, WP:VIP has a rather bad backlog (all sections had backlogs of reports to beginning of February), as unfortunately a lot of admins don't pay much attention to it. I've been attempting to clear the backlog, once that is fully done I should be able to take more time examining individual reports. Feel free to ask any further questions/add comments. Petros471 11:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I've removed your report from WP:VIP again, as the article seems to have calmed down for now, and you've got my attention (to be honest I don't think you're going to get much more from VIP). I'd be quite willing to report vandalism to the article if any occurs, however any remaining content issues should continue to be discussed on the articles talk page. As always feel free to message me on my talk page if you want any help. Petros471 20:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Tawkerbot2 and the reversion of your edit(s)

Hello, LimoWreck. You may have noticed User:Tawkerbot2 reverted one or more of your edits and perhaps left a message on your talk page. Misplaced Pages recently experienced a database malfunction, causing Tawkerbot2 to misidentify legitimate edits; hence the reversion of your edit(s) and the message. The bot has been temporarily disabled until the problems are rectified. Thanks. —Wayward 18:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Middlesbrough F.C.

Why did you remove my match analysis of the UEFA cup final, it conformed to npov, was a statemnt of actual fact on what happened, it is relevant to the article and as far as I can see conforms to any other Misplaced Pages rules. Philc _TC 21:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

All I read was "Middlesbrough sucked" , line after line after line... Now, i don't care about that club, but such a lenghty useless description doesn't fit in an encyclopedic history section of a football club. --LimoWreck 21:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Thae fact is they did, they played appalingly, coming from someone who supported them through this campaign, anyone who saw that match would have known there is no nice way to say how they played. Though I cannot find any examples on the en wiki right now, on de wiki articles for example have acheived FA status by writing detailed match reports, so unless you can come up with a good reason why it should not be there, I am going to put it back. Philc _TC 21:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

An extended match report should be part of an article about the final or the cup, not on the clubs history. And I suggest you wait a few weeks before writing such report, when your first disappointment after the match is over. There already even is a section of the article destined for memorable matches, to avoid the history section getting messed up with overdone reports. No need to add that report twice. --LimoWreck 21:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, My point of view is fairly impartial I think as even though I supported boro for the campaign, it was for the english game, and not for them. So I'll add it to the cup I guess after comparing it to a few other reoprts for accuracy. Philc _TC 22:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

NEU! not Neu!

The name of the band is NEU! Which are the typographic conventions that are mentioned in the article? Thank you. skysurfer 19:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's some sort of typographic habit used by the band, I believe it's correctly mentioned in the article's introduction? I know there's some discussion on wikipedia on typographic conventions, esp. bands using caps all the time etc vs. wikipedia not using too much unconventional article names... (should be found somewhere in the wikipedia namespace) --LimoWreck 20:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Electronic music

The "Iskhur guide to electronic music" recently has been reported as a sort of hilarious set of misleading information. I dont have time now to give you details, I'll be back tomorrow, I'm busy with my "real" life. In the meantime, if you are really interested in electronic music, I hope you will enjoy my contribution, that are FACTUAL and not POV. Brian Wilson 17:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Iskhur's guide IS hilarious, but it IS used as one of the well-known "overviews" of the more commerciel-pop-oriented guides (and more dance-related music or something like that); just my experience with people with different interests. Of course, it doesn't claim to be THE guide, nor to describe everything about electronic music (esp. < 80s and topics outside the pop-genres). But that's why it's just added as a small "see also" link at the bottom; and not one of the main articles to look at. --LimoWreck 18:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

To me it seems that it is used as the main guide for too many articles. In other words, Ishkur's POV is becoming a sort of NPOV standard for WP interested in these topics; I guess it goes far beyong the purposes of the author of that website. see you tomorrow, bye . Brian Wilson 18:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Angel Rada

I have have afd this article Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! 13:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Electronic Music

Thank you for correcting my edit, actually it was unintentional, because as you see on my edit note, I was willing to delete only that POV about M. Jackson. Anyway I am sure that the article is overstating the importance of Techno; in addition, the article should clearly state the diffence from "electronic" as technique, and "electronic" as style, content and context. but at the moment I am not planning to change it. Brian Wilson 00:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think the reader will notice an evolution from the meaning of the world electronic through the decades, so I think it's quite balanced. The word "electronic" can hint at different ideas, but well, the meaning of the word might have changed a bit through the years... so be it. The Techno part (whatever Techno means here, well whatever any genre means) has some importance, as since the 80s/90s genres like that are linked to "electronic music", regardless of what other definitions some people might have. So, as long as people don't keep pushing any more techno/house/whatever POV in the sections describing the 90s and so in, I think it's restricted to a minimum at the moment... --LimoWreck 00:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure it's not well balanced, but I will not change it for now, I will try to improve different articles so that house/techno/psybient/illbient/chillout fans will not become frustrated abruptely. It's really like a sort of drug for them, they claim that "their music" deserves the status of electronic music so that their "heroes" will have a place in history of music, together with Stockhausen, Cage, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Pink Floyd, Brian Eno. Possibly they even they hate disco music. Brian Wilson 01:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, whether we like it or not, what's seen as "electronic music" today is the wide range of pop/techno/drum'n'bass/house/modern ambient music/some jazz-inspired but simpler music/etc... at least, that's the music that's succesful both commercially and in underground and will be remembered to some extent (and as far as I know, it's far from all nightclub-dj-music or something like that); and which contrasts to other styles nowadays "traditional" rock line-ups, more acoustic music, more r&b/hiphop, etc... (although everyone uses electronics nowadays)... You don't find the Stockhausens, Kraftwerks, TD, ... nowadays that make large revolutionary impacts by experimenting with electronics. Although there might be artists who try to experiment further, they don't make up what the word "electronic music" means nowadays. We might like it or not, but that's how things change... --LimoWreck 10:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe I am right, in that case, in some years people will definitely realize that electronics in music is just a "performing and recording technique" among other ones, not a sort of "new language", a "new philosophy" or a new style or a new genre. One day, synthpop will be called just pop, and so on.Brian Wilson 11:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Sort things out

We probably should try and agree on what is true non-sense mate... Why deleting Dutch versions (existing and official versions) to French names on any page related to Belgium? Amaulestraat is a correct name, i.e. Astridpark as well. De Rode Duivels too. I can understand I was wrong with editing Anderlecht's old violet kit (I really didn't know it had switched on to black!), so that won't be done again, but double language is allowed in Belgium as far as I'm concerned, so I guess we should agree on editing BOTH versions (French and Dutch) when referring to official names (streets, stadiums, etc.) in Belgium. Why not? Is Dutch non-sense and French always making sense? I don't agree. I could agree that adding only Dutch versions would be unfair, but the opposite is wrong as well, don't you think? Let's add BOTH. It's Koning Boudewijnstadion as well as Stade Roi Baudoin, isn't it? So let's add BOTH the versions. Tell me what you think about it. Gianmaria Framarin 17:36 2 June 2006

Anderlecht

On my Italian page I found out the Dutch name of Anderlecht, so I thought this was just another case of double language, as allowed in Belgium. I was wrong.

My attempt is not at vandalising pages, but quoting BOTH languages in order to bring justice to the Belgian pages: I think you'd agree on this, so we could find a way out to that.

Next time tell me where I'm wrong, but don't tell me Astridpark or Heizelstadion or Amaulestraat are wrong...THEY'RE ON THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, aren't they?

No ill will, be certain, only justice on my side, so let's try and find out some agreement. Can I now add the official Dutch names ALONG WITH the French ones? I won't delete the French versions, as I previously and wrongly did, be certain about it.

I won't of course make any further move without your agreement, so please tell me. But please be sensible and please add the Dutch versions... Gianmaria Framarin 17:44 2 June 2006

Are you there?

Hi again, LimoWreck, please answer to my questions as soon as you can, I don't think we should disagree so stupidly on such an important matter. I won't make any further move, but I'm expecting you to recognise the importance of quoting both Dutch and French OFFICIAL names when speaking of Belgium. I'm not talking about players or names and surnames of course, I controlled it and I saw I was wrong, but at least let's add the right double linguistic version to any official name, like stadiums, streets, places, associations and so on... I checked out and saw you're Dutch, so why so much reluctance? As soon as you want please answer. No vandalism, for certain. Gianmaria Framarin 18:25 2 June 2006

English has the habit of taking "french" names (unfortunately). Also, RSCA it's official name is "Royal", that is, the official name as registerend on the KBVB/URBSFA website. Check Dutch version or French version and look for matricule 35, you'll see the official name is R.S.C. Anderlecht, even in Flemish ;-) --LimoWreck 16:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

And about the historical old names, almost all clubs and names (also stadium names, officiale names of locations) used to be French at the beginning of the 20th century... --LimoWreck 16:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Yet again

Dear LimoWreck, things have changed since then, you know that. I can imagine you have probably already found a striking mass of problems on this subject, because I know there's plenty of Flemish people who'd like official Flemish names to appear beside the official French ones. I'd agree with them: it is now Grand Place/Grote Markt, there's no official document failing to quote both languages, and I do feel this is right. This way, it should also be Stade Roi Baudoin/Koning Boudewijnstadion or rue d'Amaule/Amaulestraat and Parc Astrid/Astridpark. It is like that on any other source, we know about this, and let me tell you that if I were a Flemish guy I'd do my best to add Flemish names to the French ones. It is a right they claim and that they've been given by the Belgian government as well (after all the Flemish are a majority group in Belgium), so I'd stick to that. Think about it. Bye. Gianmaria Framarin 3:42 3 June 2006

Electronic Music

Why that (those?) guy(s) are repeadetly deleting that link in the Electronic Music article? Brian W 11:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea. Maybe because it's French. It try to avoid foreign-language articles in the English wikipedia; however very informative sites in one of the well-known languages like French, German or Spanish can be usefull; and I believe this is one of the few sites that provides an extensive collection of information relevant for the topic... so, well, I add again when it's removed --LimoWreck 11:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I have a question for music fans: are you aware that electronic music is not electronic dance music? Did you ever realize that no university in the USA regard electronic music and the music for dancing as the same genre? Are you aware that this is not a music magazine? Are you aware of the meaning of the term encyclopedic? Are you aware of the difference between idiomatic expressions, slang and encyclopedic (formal) language? Are you aware that most of articles claiming to deal with electronic music subgenres are unsourced or grounded only on independent websites? Brian W 23:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, I have no idea whatsoever what you're babbling about this time --LimoWreck 23:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you need to improve your knowledge of 'real spoken English? Brian W 23:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you need to learn to be clear what you are talking about, talking to the right persons, on the right moment, on the right subject... I'm not the first and only one who doesn't get a word of what you're trying to say... --LimoWreck 08:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Use the right language

Limowreck, I read on the wikipedia notice board that you want people to warn against Timbur-Helgi. You said that Timbur-Helgi called Migdejong a 'child rapist'. I happen to know how to decipher Ducth and the word he used was Kinderaarsvuistverkrachter. In English this is 'pedoanal manuviolator' or 'child-ass-fist-rapist', please use correct translations. You don't have to present the person in question less disgusting than he is.

Take a look here

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Thor_NL

Please stop

Please stop vandalizing my talk page. Brian W 11:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing my edits. You are a only an actor (or actress), as I already told you. Wny you continue to fool me, waste my time and try to destroy my "ego" ? Brian W 13:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Cite sources

I don't go to nightclubs, and listen to very little of the music that is played there. I don't know how the terms y'all are discussing are used, beyond some vague ideas based on my own experiences. The only way to solve this problem is to cite sources to support claims about how words are used. Misplaced Pages should not be promoting unused terminology, nor giving new meanings to established terminology. It is also not really enough to point to individual pages on the web where a term is used -- someone needs to cite a source where a reputable, knowledgeable person writes "the term electronic dance music refers to...". Anything else is pointless arguing, because whatever the result is will be removed and replaced by the first person to cite sources. It looks like few, if any, of the involved genres cite any references at all, so I'm not taking a position on what to do -- all articles without references are unacceptable and in violation of Misplaced Pages policy. Tuf-Kat 22:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Block of that IP

If that IP is a dynamic IP, it should be tagged as such - do you know which range it is dynamic in? Also, for your reference, I know of an administrator here User:R. Koot who speaks Dutch. I've asked him to look at the IP when he gets a chance. --HappyCamper 14:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)