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Tim Dowd (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

Would like to request a review of a decision to 'Speedy Deletion' tag a new page for noted British television drama director Tim Dowd. The reason given for tagging the page was that it was promoting an individual. However, as the page was approximately 48 hours old, the only content on the page was a section outline for future content, a partial list of dramas the director had directed and a small amount of basic biographical information. Unfortunately, the page was deleted before authoritative references could be cited or further detail added. Pages that curate individual directors work assist readers who have viewed that work and wish to explore other titles. Content that is factual (i.e. titles, production companies, production dates, commissioning networks, etc.) and not promotional would seem to comply with Misplaced Pages content guidelines and indeed, there appear to be over 500 pages for other directors with similar content, which attests to the usefulness of the information. Wrldtvlr (talk) 02:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

• I have temporarily undeleted this for the purposes of this discussion Spartaz 04:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
• The article I deleted was/is nothing more than a CV, therefore I feel my deletion as G11 was perfectly valid. Further opinions welcome, as always. GiantSnowman 09:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
• The nominator's contention that this was a "section outline for future content" looks credible to me. It does superficially resemble a CV. I think this is about the old, old questions that we've often considered before at DRV: are references necessary when an article's first created? Is it reasonable to begin with an article skeleton and come back to fill in the content later? Or should articles not be placed in the mainspace until they're fully-formed? When should a sysop delete material out of hand, and when should they tag it for speedy deletion so another sysop assesses it? Opinions on these subjects vary quite widely. Some users prefer to focus totally on the question of whether this content ought to be in the encyclopaedia or whether it should be removed with as little drama and procedure as possible. Others, who tend to think more in terms of editor retention and the effect of arbitrary deletions upon it, tend to take a much stricter view about speedies. I think most DRV regulars will know exactly where I stand...—S Marshall T/C 12:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

• But apparently, apart from me and Hobit, the only people who come to DRV now are the former type. So now people who join the encyclopedia and try to contribute content without reading all the rules in detail and building content that meets sysops' expectations in their userspace before posting it, aren't going to be drawn into a discussion, they're going to get stamped on.—S Marshall T/C 12:27, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• I kind of feel that this is a response to my comment below, so forgive me if I'm wrong. Creating an article in userspace first is what I generally advice new editors, explaining to them that this way they can work quietly without being interrupted. I usually give this kind of advice when someone's article has been deleted or is being proposed for deletion. I give further advice on GNG and such and offer to have a look at any finished product before they move it into article space. I understand the problems with editor retention. However, as we all know, a lot of crap is being created that never will become an encyclopedic article and is promotional in nature. Page curation is a neverending chore and there are just not enough hands. So I definitely understand the person who CSDed this, given what it looked like when it was created. We better should spend the time wasted here battling among ourselves to offer help to the editor who was tenacious enough to find the way to DRV. --Randykitty (talk) 12:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• The truly bad promotional stuff is being kept. Feel free to look at my very recent editing history for an example of one such article that had been here in that form since 2012. Written by someone who never did anything other than promotional work. The person who wrote that article clearly knew their way around Misplaced Pages yet never (AFAICT) contributed a n article that wasn't spam. The creator of this article had it deleted in 48 hours basically because they are learning. Or probably were. A BLP prod would have been fine--the material would either be improved or deleted. Sending to AfD would have been acceptable--they'd have a chance to hear their case heard. But instead we have this. Hobit (talk) 15:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• You're right about the BLPPROD, that would have been more appropriate. And you're also right that WP is full of things that people want to promote for whatever reason (often arguing: it's not promotional because there is no financial interest), but this doesn't appear to fall in that category. --Randykitty (talk) 15:13, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry but as my original comment, editor retention won't be achieved by letting something be restored only then to be dragged off to AFD and redeleted. Getting this userfied and working with them to get this bought up to scratch would be a far more constructive way of encouraging a new contributor. (And also as per my comment Speedy deletion probably wasn't the best way to deal with this, but nor would leaving it to get deleted through AFD either) --86.5.93.42 (talk) 20:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• We used to have a conversation before we deleted content. The submitting person could see there was a fair process and real human beings engaging with them, and a percentage of those people became Wikipedians. Nowadays we don't have the conversation, we just delete the material as quickly as possible, with maybe a couple of impersonal and standardised messages, and move on Speedy deletion is now the normal way. And, oh look, we're running out of editors. There is a connection between these two facts.—S Marshall T/C 20:25, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• You're absolutely right and I agree that it's a vicious circle. And unfortunately I can't claim that I see an easy way out. There's only so much time in a day... --Randykitty (talk) 20:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
• I'm not which part of "Speedy deletion probably wasn't the best way to deal with this" is incompatible with at least some of that idea. What I disagree with is that running it through AFD and having that "conversation" is in someway better, I suspect it's pretty miserable to be honest. I'll note for all the fine words here about this, none of us (me included) have actually posted to the listing editors talk page and offered to help them build the article or guide them through why as it stands it might not be appropriate. I guess talk is cheap. --86.5.93.42 (talk) 21:39, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• I have not posted on their talk page because I assume they will be watching this. I have given some advice and offered help and the offer stands. --Randykitty (talk) 21:52, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• Just to respond to I'm not which part of "Speedy deletion probably wasn't the best way to deal with this" is incompatible with at least some of that idea. ---- The fact that I replied to you doesn't necessarily mean I was disagreeing with you! I think of this as more discussion than argument.—S Marshall T/C 12:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Comment I can see what the deleter means in terms of looking CVish, but I don't think it meets the G11 criteria and most likely not the A7 criteria, regardless doubt speedy deletion was the best way to handle it. On the other hand I'm not seeing through some simple web searches much (if anything) of reliable third party sources on the subject. Restoring things for the benefit of "editor retention" is a fine idea, but is of little meaning if we turn around 7 days later and delete it through a different process, it's all just as frustrating. So absent any sourcing to show he may meet WP:GNG, I think the best which can be done here is to userfy the content so it can be worked up to standard. --86.5.93.42 (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse Article is nothing more than a CV, a list of shows. There is no evidence of notability and 48 Hours is more than enough time that this article should of been improved on and sourced properly. There is giving time and giving time and editor had more than enough to show that this was suitable for main-space and to be honest surprised wasn't deleted sooner. There are ways and means of creating articles that aren't ready and this wasn't one of them.Blethering Scot 22:30, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse, no objection to sending the content by email or userfying if someone genuinely wants to work on it, but there's very little justification for sending a naked CV back into userspace. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 04:57, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse I don't think WP:CHANCE is a strong enough argument considering the way the article was starting off (absent of prose) and the fact that it's questionable as to whether directing those episodes would qualify this article for a standalone opposed to a credit mention on the series articles. I do get that could be more work done to the article but under the discussions that went on prior to the DRV and that we have AfC and sandboxes I think this was a good cleanup of the article space. Mkdw 06:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse Unencyclopedic CV. I am sympathetic to S Marshall's concerns and would like to encourage the article creator to work on his article first in their userspace (i.e., sandbox) before moving it to mainspace once the article is ready (ping me if you don't know how to do this). --Randykitty (talk) 06:01, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
• Overturn not a finished article and the text at the time of deletion wasn't overly promotional. WP:NUKE might have applied, but that's not a deletion criteria. Folks, it's important that we not speedy things that don't meet our criteria. There is no way this is a G11. Arguments like "There is no evidence of notability" are wonderful, but not a speedy criteria. Hobit (talk) 10:42, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• What other use does a CV have other than to promote? GiantSnowman 12:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
  • To describe? An article that was a list of works by a singer wouldn't be deleted in my experience. I'm not sure how a list of director roles is different. Hobit (talk) 14:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• How about an article about a football player containing the claim that he played in a single professional league game? But we're here to review the deletion, not remedy everythign that we perceive as wrong with WP... ;-) --Randykitty (talk) 15:15, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• Fair enough. But I still don't see how this is a G11/A7. It just doesn't meet the criteria as written. Hobit (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion although personally I would have used A7. No excuse for lack of references.Deb (talk) 14:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I can see A7 (though I'd disagree with it), but a lack of references isn't a reason to speedy. BLP Prod would have worked. Hobit (talk) 14:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
• Overturn and list at AfD. G11 is not always an unambiguous criterion, and any admin who uses in single-handed does so at the risk of making a error. I have encountered articles where I think it would be safe to do so, but normally I never use it without checking. We have been reluctant to say that singlehanded speedys are prohibited, but I continue to think that they should be. True vandalism or copyvio can always be temporarily blanked, and it doesn't take an admin to do that. None of us are perfect. I

As for this particular article, sure it's unencyclopedic in the current form, but the material can easily enough be rewritten into sentences. I would have declined G11. I think about half of us would have, and that;'s enough to show why using singlehanded deletion in that situation is wrong. And it is not conceivably A7--it claims being the director of major TV shows. Even so I am not sure it would pass AfD, but then again its hard to be sure it wouldn't if it were properly sourced. This is not the place for making that decision. It certainly would have been a valid BLP PROD, and BLP PROD I think is exactly designed for this sort of situation. DGG ( talk ) 07:55, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Overturn. Yeah, the article was in lousy shape. But we have hordes of articles that are nothing more than a token opening sentence followed by a table or list of credits. Here, the credits plainly asserted notability as a director of notable BBC TV series. The article was not at all unduly promotional; the content would have been appropriate for inclusion, virtually verbatim, in a restructured article. The best course of action would have been to add an opening sentence and a BLP-PROD tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk • contribs)
• Overturn I agree that BLP PROD would have been more appropriate. Andrew (talk) 19:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
• Comment  This is a case of an editor with less than ten edits creating an article.  There is already community consensus to do an experiment to require at least ten edits before creating a new article, but the WMF is blocking.  Since we don't have enforcement by software of minimum standards for the creation of articles, admins must use their time to delete articles that would otherwise not have been created.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:11, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

File:Acacia Fraternity Crest.png (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (article|restore)

User:Stifle deleted it under NFCC#1 indicating that the image could be recreated in a Free form from a Blazon of the Coat of Arms. He did so without showing that such a Blazon existed, or that creating Blazon for it would not represent WP:OR. No change was made to either the Acacia Fraternity page or its talk page prior to the deletion. Naraht (talk) 18:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

• Endorse own deletion. The blazon clearly exists if there was a crest/coat of arms drawn from it, and the file description page was tagged for over four months as replaceable. The file description also lacked a proper source. Stifle (talk) 19:10, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse All coats of arms have a blazon. Coats of arms are replaceable by a freely drawn based on the same blazon. See for example Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2013 July 17#File:Arzachena-Stemma.png and the subsequent sections on that FFD page. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
  • They have a blazon *if* all the relationship between all of the pieces is public. Let's say that a Fraternity Coat of Arms has a shield has 7 stars on it in the center. The fraternity has copyrighted that particular design, but the information on the relationship of the stars is only present in the image. In actuality, the stars are in the same geometrical shape as the 7 chapters that came together to form the fraternity, *but* that information is not public. All the blazon would contain would be that there are seven stars on the shield, *not* the relationship between them since that information is not public. (For a real world example, consider the method by which Brazil puts stars on its flag. If that were private, not public, it would be impossible to properly reproduce without directly refering to the image.Naraht (talk) 02:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse The fraternity website gives a conventional blazon here which would be easy to draw up. Mangoe (talk) 13:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

• I agree there is a conventional blazon for Acacia Fraternity (I can't find blazons for most fraternities) There is also an exact version of the Coat of Arms which has been trademarked (unable to put exact URL, but at www.uspto.gov, search for acacia and fraternity). Would a user created blazon which did not match that be incorrect?Naraht (talk) 10:38, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
  • A trademark is not the same thing as copyright protection. Trademark protection doesn't affect us. See for example Commons:Commons:Trademarks. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Ryu Seung-Woo (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Played today for Bayer 04 Leverkusen in the Bundesliga, so he is now notable (WP:NFOOTBALL) . Neojesus (talk) 16:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• this one looks moot. Recreated. I say we restore the deleted revisions as well. -- Y not? 01:10, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
  • another sysop has restored... -- Y not? 16:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
• Technically Neojesus should have approached me on my talk page before listing here. That said, WP:CRYSTAL is not in play anymore which was the basis of the AfD. Allow recreation seems appropriate and I see it already has been regardless of this process. Mkdw 02:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Murder of Jeff Whittington (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

closing admin says GNG is met. But consensus in murder AfDs is that WP:EVENT should be met. Out of the 3 keep !voters only one produced a decent argument and the other 2 were weak. The overwhelming consensus is for delete. LibStar (talk) 13:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

• Endorse. Simply disagreeing with the closer's weighing of arguments, without providing any policy- or guideline-based analysis, is insufficient for reversal by DRV. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

in that case the closing admin has applied a supervote. He believes GNG is met when he should be closing on this basis of consensus. LibStar (talk) 02:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

there was consensus that GNG was met. There was no consensus on whether the article needs to be deleted nevertheless -- Y not? 16:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

There was not consensus GNG was met. GNG excludes WP:ROUTINE coverage. If the majority of !voters thought GNG was met then most would !Vote keep. Again you are applying your own super vote, you think GNG is met, therefore the delete consensus doesn't outweigh the keep arguments, noting 2 of the 3 keep !voters presented weak arguments. LibStar (talk) 16:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

• Endorse. This is not AfD2. See Misplaced Pages:Renominating for deletion. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:57, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
• Overturn and delete. Closer applied own preferences which should properly have been expressed as a !vote. Stifle (talk) 17:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse I am very reluctant no overturn a no-consensus close. In particular, I rarely see a reason why someone who wants to delete an article should even bring one here. There is the much simpler method of waiting a few weeks and bringing a second AfD to try to find consensus. Technically, one could be brought immediately, but it usually helps to wait a few weeks to decrease the likelihood of a second non-consensus. DGG ( talk ) 17:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse There doesn't seem to be a procedural problem here. A finding of no consensus is not a supervote because it is the opposite of a definite conclusion. Andrew (talk) 22:28, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse No concrete evidence of a supervote. Taking it to DRV because you disagree with the outcome is discouraged if no new evidence is brought forth. Mkdw 02:26, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Endorse  This is a decent close, and were the refuted and empty arguments analyzed closely might justify a Keep.  The XfD nomination does not present any argument or evidence that EVENT is at issue, just a wondering out loud.  The only technical reference to EVENT is by a Keep !voter, and that !voter has added a reference to the article, so the consensus, such as it is, from both keep and delete sides, is that EVENT is not at issue.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse - closers should explain why they closed how they did, in any case where it ain't blatantly obvious. In this case, that it meets WP:N is an important consideration, in weighting the policy based keeps against the policy-less "I don't like it" arguments for deletion. WilyD 10:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you for articulating that, your views closely match my own. -- Y not? 15:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, good on you for doing it, though it's certainly own experience that doing so makes it more likely that a DRV will suggest you closed on your own view, rather than by reading the discussion and distilling the consensus. Whether it makes a DRV any more likely, I dunno. It's probably just a spaghetti approach - if you're unhappy with how the XfD went, throw every argument at the DRV and see what sticks. WilyD 09:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
      • The good news is that I do not feel wounded when people bring my decisions to DRV or any other forum. The little bit of work that I do here on a volunteer basis I just try to do correctly and constructively, rather than trying to be #1 dog on wikipedia. Though I have to say, there has to be a better use of one's time than to DRV a freaking no-consensus close. Back to my day job. -- Y not? 19:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse, no consensus seems appropriate here since there is obviously, well, no consensus that the article doesn't meet the relevant inclusion guidelines. Lankiveil 04:03, 28 January 2014 (UTC).

Mike Ciesnolevicz (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

I am requesting a deletion review. I have recently noticed my wikipedia page has been deleted after having one for roughly 6-7 years. I am not sure how this happened as i was told you need at least 3 "notable" fights to keep your page. I have fought on TV 12x, Spike TV, Fox Sports Net, My Network TV, HDNET and TSN in Canada. I am a 9x International Fight League veteran as well as 2x world champion and a 2x UFC veteran. My current website is MikeCMMA.com. I can be found on google quite easily as well as in many feature books such as "A Fighters Mind" & "Blood in the Cage." Many of my former fights are on youtube. I can be found on sherdog.com as an established veteran MMA fighter of over 10 years. I have a teaching degree from Lock Haven Univeristy where i was a member of the boxing and wrestling teams. I hold 4 blackbelts in martial arts and have trained all over the globe from Thailand to Brazil to my current home in Las Vegas.

Thank you,

Michael D. Ciesnolevicz mikecmma.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.218.206 (talk) 21:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you Michael for this request. It is quite a reasonable request. Can an admin please temporarily undelete the article for the purpose of the review? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
• temporarily restored for discussion at Deletion Review DGG ( talk ) 17:21, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
• Userfy on Request  There was a "per nom" !vote, which carried no weight, so WP:NOQUORUM is the result of the AfD.  I see large sections of unsourced content that would need to be removed if the sourcing can be found to satisfy notability.  Unscintillating (talk) 04:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse but Userfy. Closure was reasonable given what the closing admin had to work with (which wasn't much). However, the article isn't so terrible that it can't be moved into userspace or draftspace to have additional sourcing to verify the claims made by the subject. Lankiveil 04:06, 28 January 2014 (UTC).
• Endorse and userfy - I don't find issue with the close but I also find the request for userfication to be very reasonable. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:08, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse and userfy If the claims made are valid, it seems only fair to grant the request for userfication to go forward so that sources can be provided. Dramamoose (talk) 21:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Sasha coen (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (article|XfD|restore)

31.51.97.199 (talk) 23:29, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Page Ref. Sasha Coen. Author.

I created the page about sasha coen, but as part of the registry page, I added the name there too - at the time I thought it was the page title that I was trying to create that you were asking for, so I entered it.

As a result, it was assumed that I had created a biography. I hadn't - I am not sasha coen. I created a page about the author sasha coen. A deletion notice was added and I contacted the administrator that entered the notice. they did not make contact back and continued to delete the page.

I hope that the page can be restored as it took me a long time - as you can tell, I am not great with computers, but still made the effort. Hopefully you will too.

Thank you for your help

Clive.

• Hi Clive, welcome to Misplaced Pages. I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm confused. Could you please be more specific about where you tried to add this page? Thanks—S Marshall T/C 00:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
• Comment This is how the article looked before deletion. 46.107.88.236 (talk) 13:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion. Article was only sourced to a self-published eBook link at Amazon, and there's nothing else to be found out there to satisfy our notability guidelines. This is just a promotion campaign by an interested party or someone close to the author, going on in multiple places, see here and here. Tarc (talk) 15:11, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse pretty clearly part of a promotion attempt. And surely no reliable sources exist anyway. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi S Marshall,

I added the page the same day as it was deleted. When asked for a name I thought I was been asked for the name of the page I was trying to create. I have since realised that it was a registration user name that I was been asked for. I have since corrected that by registering as intended. It is true that I only added a link to the ebook of sasha coen but that was because I couldn't find any other links and were hoping other users would flesh out the page at later dates. I could not find an amazon profile page. It is also true that I have talked about the writing style and content (genre) of the same book on forum chat. I had not realised that this would be an issue for user Tarc. As Tarc has also discovered, there is not much on the web about sasha coen. They are a gifted writer and I thought deserved recognition. I was under the impression that this is what users use wiki for. To make information pages about everything.

If Tarc had looked a little further, it might have been noted that my name is not sasha or coen. Moreover, Had a response been made to my application to Tarc when the deletion intention was first advertised, then these issues could have been rectified much sooner and with a lot less trouble

Thank you for your help and cooperation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.46.19 (talk) 21:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

• Endorse. User has not completed the prerequisite step of discussing the matter with User:Bbb23, the administrator who deleted the page, despite claims to the contrary above, nor has he even notified them (I have done so now). Without waiving this procedural defect, I would also endorse on the merits as the article is clearly promotional and has no clean version to revert to.
  To the creator: Misplaced Pages is here to collect, and to an extent, discuss, information that has been previously been published in reliable sources. If there is not much or any such information in the public domain, it is a very good indication that the person in question should not have a Misplaced Pages page at this time. Stifle (talk) 09:09, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

hi, I replied to the user that initiated the cancellation a few minutes after he added the proposal. The reply was added in the same way as the one you are reading now so I are surprised it never reached the user. Regardless, it is evident that you have no inclination to amend the deletion order proposed by the said user so the steps taken and evidence given are all academic. It became clear very early on that there was no intention to overturn the order and were merely fulfilling the motions. I was under the false impression that wiki prided itself on users being able to present information of all types to a wider audience and other users able to add to that information in cases where information is lacking. For that to be necessary and required, the item (individual, material, theory...) is likely to be little known or difficult to research under general conditions. If the item, whatever that might be, is already thoroughly known and understood, there would be little need for a wiki page!

It is unfortunate that all of our time has been wasted. However, I thank the relevant members for taking the time to 'review' the decision made.

Kind Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdc1cdc1 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

• • Misplaced Pages isn't a place to post absolutely everything you feel like, nor does it cover any imaginable topic. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia which includes subjects already covered in sufficient detail by reliable sources. Just for the moment, I'm going to assume you're telling the truth: that you're "Clive" and not Sasha Coen or someone directly related to / hired by them, and that you're merely trying to get the word out about a book you liked. If that's true, Clive, please consider that your efforts aren't exactly making Sasha Coen look good, and that you've caused them some measure of embarassment through inappropriate promotion on at least 3 different websites. If you really aren't Sasha Coen, I strongly suggest not spamming their name across the web, because that's the kind of attention nobody really wants. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 05:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
• Endorse. Blatant promotion. No content sourced to independent sources. Listing at AfD would be pointless. See Misplaced Pages:Alternative outlets. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Lost Girl (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

On 21 January 2014, User:JDDJS twice deleted a block of information from the Infobox Template of the Lost Girl article. The template contains the pre-existing fields of "|writer" and "|director". The fields exist in the template so that information can be added to them. User:JDDJS deleted the information in the fields because in his personal opinion the information contained in the fields did not belong in the article.

If the fields did not exist in the template, there would be no reason to add information to them. Therefore, the fields serve a purpose and this purpose has been contributed to by many editors before User:JDDJS found his way to the article and undid what others had contributed before him.

I reversed said deletion of information by User:JDDJS and he again deleted the information after it was restored (which I then, once again, restored to the article). It is my opinion that no one user has the right to undo what other contributors to Misplaced Pages articles have contributed in good faith and via means invited by Misplaced Pages. Just because editors of articles "A" "B" and "C" have not made good use of all the fields in the templates used in their articles does not mean that editors of "Z" cannot add information to the fields in the template used in theirs. Please stop User:JDDJS from continuing to vandalize the article. Thank you. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 06:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

• This is not the correct venue, it's an editing dispute. The correct place is initially a discussion on the talk page of the article and if that fails then dispute resolution --86.5.93.42 (talk) 08:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
• Comment Obviously this is not the place to discuss it, but Looking at the transclusions, I see 3/4 of the major shows do not have it but 1/4 do. I also see there is no discussion of when to use it in the template documentation. We do not need another round of The Template Wars, and someone interested should start a centralized discussion somewhere, DGG ( talk ) 18:43, 21 January 2014 (UTC)