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*The situation that led to the block of ZORDANLIGHTER on 17 March (for removing others' comments) is explained in more detail on . Since the DS warning was only just given on 26 March there has not been enough time for Z. to do much that is worthy of sanction. ZORDANLIGHTER's comments which can be seen on ] do not inspire confidence, but all but one of these comments were *before* the DS warning. Unless Z. decides to completely change his approach in the near future those who are expecting the worst probably won't need to wait long. In other words, closing this with just a warning should be sufficient. ] (]) 03:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC) *The situation that led to the block of ZORDANLIGHTER on 17 March (for removing others' comments) is explained in more detail on . Since the DS warning was only just given on 26 March there has not been enough time for Z. to do much that is worthy of sanction. ZORDANLIGHTER's comments which can be seen on ] do not inspire confidence, but all but one of these comments were *before* the DS warning. Unless Z. decides to completely change his approach in the near future those who are expecting the worst probably won't need to wait long. In other words, closing this with just a warning should be sufficient. ] (]) 03:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


*Given teh results of the SPI linked to by SMS above - I'm askinG Salvio for input here--] <sup>]</sup> 16:46, 30 March 2014 (UTC) *:Given the results of the SPI linked to by SMS above - I'm askinG Salvio for input here--] <sup>]</sup> 16:46, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


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    Khabboos

    Khabboos is banned from the topic of Islam as related to India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Sandstein  05:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Khabboos

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Darkness Shines (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:58, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Khabboos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 24 March 2014 Not a one of the sources used support the statement "The territory became predominantly Muslim during the rule of the Delhi Sultanate and later the Mughal Empire due to forced conversions." In fact, both BBC sources say the Muslim rulers were all religiously tolerant. This is blatant source misrepresentation.
    2. 24 March 2014 Exactly the same as above.
    3. 24 March 2014 And again, exactly the same edit, he has done this on a fair few articles. And all of these edits need rolling back.
    4. This on his talk page is telling, he is citing from a book, he has not even read, just copied the ref from another article.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on 14 February 2014 by ErikHaugen (talk · contribs)
    2. Warned on 20 March 2014 by HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs)
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    Discussion concerning Khabboos

    Khabboos, can you please stop pinging me every time you post here, the page is on my watchlist. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

    I did not ping you, but it may be happening automatically because this page is on your watchlist.—Khabboos (talk) 15:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Khabboos

    Answers to points 1 to 3: I copied the references cited at Forced conversion#Early and used them to show that Islam spread in present day Pakistan and the Punjab region by forced conversions. The references cited do show that conversions happened against the will of the people (in fact, the BBC article's title itself is, "Intolerant ruler: Aurangzeb" and it mentions the ways in which Aurangzeb was intolerant). Now wikipedia has a policy that we should paraphrase sentences and not use the original sentences, so the best way was to use the term, "forced conversions" to summarise the references. In fact you admins should ban Darkness Shines for reverting my edit (I haven't reverted/edit warred with him on it)!
    Answer to point 4: I never restored the edit using Khan as a reference after the discussion here:, so when I did not restore it, it doesn't make sense to complain about it here.—Khabboos (talk) 16:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

    @Sandstein: At , it says, "He (Aurangzeb) no longer allowed the Hindu community to live under their own laws and customs, but imposed Sharia law (Islamic law) over the whole empire. Thousands of Hindu temples and shrines were torn down and a punitive tax (jizya) on Hindu subjects was re-imposed." Imposing the Sharia and jizya on non-muslims leads to conversion to Islam. At Forced conversion#Early, we even have this sentence: "The Jizya (poll tax) was the most important factor in the mass conversion to Islam, the tax paid by all non-Muslims (Dhimmis) in Islamic empires."
    At , it says Guru Tegh Bahadur spoke out amid this persecution of non-muslims. He (Guru Tegh Bahadur) refused to convert to Islam and in 1675, he was beheaded in Delhi (for not converting to Islam).
    At , it says, "Those that stayed behind were asked to convert to Islam. For those that did not comply to this request, heavy taxes were levied on them and their properties were taken from them." This again leads to conversion to Islam. I haven't even reverted/edit warred with anyone.—Khabboos (talk) 17:21, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
    I was about to cite these references also, before which Darkness Shines has complained here: <ref> Timur's memoirs on his invasion of India; describes in detail the massacre of Hindus, forced conversions to Islam and the plunder of the wealth of Hindustan (India). Compiled in the book: "]", by Sir H. M. Elliot, Edited by John Dowson; London, Trubner Company; 1867–1877</ref><ref name="Gier">Nicholas F. Gier, ''FROM MONGOLS TO MUGHALS: RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE IN INDIA 9TH-18TH CENTURIES'', Presented at the Pacific Northwest Regional Meeting American Academy of Religion, Gonzaga University, May 2006 </ref>. If you look at when I cited those references, it is just a few hours ago (the time of 13:55 can be seen here ). Should someone ask for AE in such a hurry without allowing me to discuss things on the Talk page of the article (which I was about to do)? EDIT: I have added the new citations for discussion on the Talk Page also now (see here:)!—Khabboos (talk) 17:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
    In, "Timur's memoirs on his invasion of India", India or Hindustan meant the entire Indian subcontinent, including present day Pakistan (and the term, "forced conversion" is mentioned in it)! Even this online citation by Nicholas F. Gier: mentions the terms, "force conversion to Islam", "forced conversions" and "forced to convert to Islam".—Khabboos (talk) 17:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
    @Smsarmad: Answer to your point #1. You had complained about that in the previous AE and the admins forgave warned me for it. I have not repeated that mistake again, so you can't bring it up here again.
    Answer to your point #2. A discussion on the Talk Page is not an edit to an article and so, you should not be complaining about it.—Khabboos (talk) 17:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
    @Toddy1: Please mention what objection you have to these also: and . Both the references mention the term, "forced conversion"! I did read and understand your objections and that's why I did not indulge in an edit war with anyone. I have also demonstrated that I understand your objections to using M.A.Khan's book as a reference here:.—Khabboos (talk) 20:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
    @EdJohnston, Callanecc: I did not revert the edit by Darkness Shines. However, I feel he should have told/discussed things with me either on my Talk page or the article's Talk page before asking for AE. In these references that I mentioned on the Talk Page, "Timur's memoirs on his invasion of India", India or Hindustan meant the entire Indian subcontinent, including present day Pakistan (and the term, "forced conversion" is mentioned in it) and this online citation by Nicholas F. Gier: mentions the terms, "force conversion to Islam", "forced conversions" and "forced to convert to Islam", so when the term, "forced conversion" is mentioned, they are good sources to cite (I have not edit warred, introduced any original research or used a source which does not support the statement, after the reversion by Darkness Shines).—Khabboos (talk) 07:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
    DP, I have not repeated any mistake/s. I'm still new here and probably still need to learn a lot (I have not edit warred, introduced any original research or used a source which does not support the statement, after the reversion by Darkness Shines, who I feel should have told/discussed things with me either on my Talk page or the article's Talk page before asking for AE).—Khabboos (talk) 10:11, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

    Note to admins: I'm logging out now, but please allow me to reply to any fresh allegation/s before acting on it. I have neither repeated any mistake after the last AE nor have I edit warred with anyone, so please think before you act! Thank you.—Khabboos (talk) 19:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Smsarmad

    There is more to his source falsification that was ignored in the last AE request:

    1. 19 March The sources doesn't say that HRW report mentions "rape" as one of the abuses against the minorities.
    2. 23 March Quantifies a strength of 6-7 million people as "some" based on OR as he describes in his own words: "... British India had the largest muslim population in the world at that time and Pakistan would certainly not have been able to accommodate all of them"

    -- SMS 17:29, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Toddy1

    I think the problem is the Khabboos cannot be bothered to read the sources he/she cites. Let's take his/her last attempted addition to the article on Hinduism in Pakistan. He/she is claiming that parts of Pakistan "became predominantly Muslim during the rule of Delhi Sultanate and later Mughal Empire due to forced conversions." He/she provided 4 citations.

    • Khan, M.A. (2009), Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery, iUniverse, ISBN 978-1440118463. When asked what the page numbers were, he/she replied that the citation that he/she "added here is reference#30 at Forced conversion#Early". His/her replies showed that he/she had merely copied the source from another article without reading it.
    • mtholyoke.edu Muslim Invasion. This page refers to events that started in 711 AD. The Delhi Sultanate started 500 years later in 1206 AD. The Mughal Empire started in 1526 AD. The webpage says that Hindus were subject to economic discrimination if they did not convert to Islam – this is not the same thing as forced conversion.
    • bbc.co.uk Aurangzeb. This citation refers to the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb. It does not mention forced conversion. It says that before Aurangzeb, the Mughal Empire had practiced religious tolerance, and that Aurangzeb ended that policy. It does mention persecution of Hindus, and economic discrimination against Hindus.
    • bbc.co.uk Guru Tegh Bahadur This citation refers to someone who lived during the reign of the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb. It does not mention forced conversion. It does mention persecution of Hindus, and economic discrimination against Hindus.

    Khabboos appears to obtain his/her citations by either copying them from other Misplaced Pages articles, or through search engines. But in general, it does not appear that he/she bothers to read them, which is why we have had so many problems over the past month with him/her posting citations that do not back the claims he makes for them. See Talk:Hinduism in Pakistan# Hinduism in Pakistan#Persecution, Talk:Persecution of Hindus#Request for comments and Talk:Persecution of Hindus#Revert, why for other similar problems.

    I am sure that Khabboos is 100% well-meaning and probably has no idea why people disagree with him/her. He/she probably cannot be bothered to read and understand our objections.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

    Update. Khabboos has posted further information on his talk page. I had asked him/her "So you admit that you have not actually looked at this book?" He/she replied: "How can you expect me to go, buy and look at the book?" This is a book that he/she had cited, and he/she cannot understand that we expect him/her to have looked at it.--Toddy1 (talk) 22:58, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

    Result concerning Khabboos

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    Based only on diff 1, the request has merit. The cited sources speak of intolerant Muslim rulers, but nothing about the area becoming majority Muslim, or forced conversions. This is clear source misrepresentation. I recommend a ban from the topic of Islam in India and Pakistan.  Sandstein  17:05, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

    • I agree with Sandstein's conclusion about diff 1. Khaboos provides three URLs, but none of the three provides support for the claim of forced conversion which he has added to the text of the article. The claim of 'Muslim majority' is still unsupported but it may have been added before Khaboos started editing. I would support a ban from the topic of Islam in India and Pakistan. It is surprising that Khabboos believes he is entitled to support his argument using books that he does not have access to and has not read. See Misplaced Pages:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT, which provides "Don't cite a source unless you've seen it for yourself." If you haven't seen it, how do you know what it says? EdJohnston (talk) 04:09, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
    • I agree that this request is actionable, particularly given the very recent AE request. It shows us that Khabboos doesn't understand the problem with their edits and didn't take head of the comments in the previous AE request. As such I agree with EdJohnston that a topic ban from Islam if it's related to India, Pakistan, or Afghanistan. I've made the wording a tad broader (related rather than in) and included Afghanistan as I believe that the problem is a bit more endemic to Khabboos's editing around this topic. I'd also suggest a warning to Khabboos that any other edit in which they introduce original research or use a source which does not support the statement it is supposed to cite in any topic area will result in further sanctions, primarily blocks. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:58, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
    • The phrase "the admins forgave me for it. I have not repeated that mistake again, so you can't bring it up here again" is extremely galling - it's been brought up to show a pattern of behaviour, which is now very clear. Nobody "forgave" anyone for anything. There's an extreme level of cluelessness here that can be extremely damaging, especially in controversial topic areas. DP 09:53, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

    ZORDANLIGHTER

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    Request concerning ZORDANLIGHTER

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Darkness Shines (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    ZORDANLIGHTER (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 26 March 2014 Files a spurious SPI against myself, pure battleground mentality.
    2. 26 March 2014 Calls me "useless" and an "ISI agent" These are obvious personal attacks.
    3. 26 March 2014 Insertion of a blatant BLP violation, this unsourced "and cooking up lies and rumors" and the cited part "herself is found to be biased" is not even in the source used, the source actually says "Setalvad is alleged to have included charges that were retracted later by the witnesses." And that is all it says regarding this BLP. This is source misrepresentation to smear a BLP.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on 26 March 2014 by Darkness Shines (talk · contribs)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    The fact that these edits came just after having being notified of discretionary sanctions shows, to me at least, a battlefield approach to editing in what is a highly contentious topic, notably the events which occurred in Gujarat in 02. Most telling were the edits which gave me cause to issue the notification. Restoration, twice, of the main article on the incidents to a version from over a year ago, which also contained BLPPRIMARY violations, and in doing so removed up to a hundred (wild guess there, I am not about to count them) academic sources which discuss the issue. This removal was a terrible breach of NPOV.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    Notified

    Discussion concerning ZORDANLIGHTER

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    Statement by ZORDANLIGHTER

    https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:2002_Gujarat_violence#Biased_article_2

    The entire article is biased inspite of open truth.Some unknown journalists are given more importance than well established news agencies.

    Statement by Khabboos

    Zordanlighter has not been warned by an admin earlier and may not yet understand the rules here. I think he must first be warned not to indulge in Original Research and that he should cite references that contain the same words as the sentence he uses on wikipedia.—Khabboos (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Smsarmad

    This SPI case results might be of interest to admins reviewing this request. -- SMS 21:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

    Result concerning ZORDANLIGHTER

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    • Calling someone an intelligence agent in an attempt to discredit them is either simple trolling or an indication of a clear disregard for wikipdia's standards for behaviour. ZORDANLIGHTER is a relatively new account that has already been blocked for disruptive editing (only in the last week) and whose conduct has degenerated since being notified of discretionary sanctions.
      Opening an SPI by linking 12 completely unrelated accounts without evidence and with the comment "Just 5% chance. 95% chance of myself being wrong" indicates that this person is either naive or trolling - but this is not within the remit of AE.
      In terms of the RFAR this edit gives me reason to consider that ZORDANLIGHTER is indeed just being disruptive because they've added and removed this material within 1 minute. What worries me most is that this issue seems to be an escalation of issues on Total Siyapaa and rather than heeding the AC/DS warning ZORDANLIGHTER's behaviour has gotten worse.
      I'd be inclined to issue a final warning in this case regarding edits to pages relating to the area conflict covered by this RFAR and separately issue a standard sysop warning regarding conduct toward other users. However, I am open-minded if other sysops see ZORDANLIGHTER's actions as warranting harsher sanction--Cailil 22:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
    • The situation that led to the block of ZORDANLIGHTER on 17 March (for removing others' comments) is explained in more detail on this version of his talk page. Since the DS warning was only just given on 26 March there has not been enough time for Z. to do much that is worthy of sanction. ZORDANLIGHTER's comments which can be seen on Talk:Total Siyapaa do not inspire confidence, but all but one of these comments were *before* the DS warning. Unless Z. decides to completely change his approach in the near future those who are expecting the worst probably won't need to wait long. In other words, closing this with just a warning should be sufficient. EdJohnston (talk) 03:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

    AcidSnow

    Not actionable, submitter Khabboos sanctioned per the section below.  Sandstein  16:28, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning AcidSnow

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Khabboos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 09:18, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    AcidSnow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Here, he reverted my edit which provided proper citations about the Nowshera Mob attack and arson in Islamabad added to the Anti-Hinduism article. The references cited say the same thing as the sentence added to the wiki article.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on by admin ErikHaugen (talk · contribs)}}
    2. Warned on by admin DangerousPanda (talk · contribs)
    3. Warned on
    4. Warned on
    5. Warned on by Smsarmad (talk · contribs)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Some editors wrote that the Nowshera Mob attack and arson in Islamabad cannot be added to the Persecution of Hindus article because the word, "persecution" was not mentioned in the references cited at the Talk:Persecution of Hindus page (when actually one editor, Kanga Roo in the Zoo writes that the word, "persecution" is mentioned in one of the citations), but for the Anti-Hinduism article, the term, "persecution" need not be mentioned - mob attacks and arson directed against Hindus are enough to include citations in the (Anti-Hinduism) article. AcidSnow has also been stalking and reverting my edits:

    @Darkness Shines: I have not edited anything that I have been topic banned from after the AE against me.—Khabboos (talk) 10:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    @Sandstein: I have not edited anything that I have been topic banned from after the AE against me. AcidSnow has also been stalking and reverting my edits:. If one sees the contributions by me, one can see that AcidSnow has also done something to that particular edit, but because they are too numerous, I'm only pointing to what was said on his talk page.—Khabboos (talk) 11:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    Here are some examples of AcidSnow stalking me: , ,
    Darkness Shines, that edit at is not an edit related to Islam!—Khabboos (talk) 14:37, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    Notified


    Discussion concerning AcidSnow

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    Statement by AcidSnow

    Statement by Darkness Shines

    How is this not a violation of the TBAN just imposed on Khabboos? Darkness Shines (talk) 09:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

    And this edit also appears to be a TBAN violation. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:46, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning AcidSnow

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    This enforcement request seems to violate the topic ban, that applies to Khabboos, because it concerns a complaint about the removal of content about violence between the Hindu and Muslim communities in Pakistan. On the merits, the evidence submitted here is not enough to establish actionable misconduct. I see one diff of what seems to be a content dispute, and vague allegations of stalking with no evidence. That's not enough to act on.  Sandstein  10:41, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

    Darkness Shines

    Not actionable. Submitter Khabboos blocked for one month and banned from the topic of religion or ethnic conflicts in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Sandstein  16:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Darkness Shines

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Khabboos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Darkness Shines (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Here and here Removed sentence which had properly referenced citation.
    2. Talking of reverting and therefore edit warring if a sentence which had properly referenced citations is added to the article Hinduism_in_Pakistan.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Warned on by admin Frank (talk · contribs)
    2. Warned on by Amadscientist
    3. Warned on
    4. Warned on by admin MarcusMaximus0 (talk · contribs)
    5. Warned on
    6. Warned on by admin Seraphimblade (talk · contribs)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Despite having unclean hands, he has complained for AE against newcomers like ZORDANLIGHTER and me (Khabboos) here.

    Darkness Shines, if a book states history accurately, it should be reliable, even if it was published in the 1800s'.—Khabboos (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    Notified


    Discussion concerning Darkness Shines

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    Statement by Darkness Shines

    Just pointing out, MarcusMaximus0 is not an admin, and is in fact a blocked sock of Nangparbat. Regarding the diffs given, 1- I restored academically cited content which had been removed, ans removed an edit by Khabboos which he had added to the lede in violation of UNDUE. Which I explained on the talk page. 2- is the same as the first? 3- I said I would revert as the sources are junk. A book from the 1800`s are not RS. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:38, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Smsarmad

    And yet again, another violation of TBAN by Khabboos (The article is about an Islamic spiritual song with Indian origin), despite the discussion in the result section moving closer to some kind of a sanction. I was tempted to open a new request but now that Khabboos's conduct is discussed here, so better avoid redundant case threads. -- SMS 15:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

    Result concerning Darkness Shines

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    The complaint does not include actionable evidence of misconduct. We have one article diff, which seems to reflect a content dispute, and unclear references to some talk page discussions. The conduct of Khabboos in filing this request, and the one above, appears vexatious and disruptive, including by engaging in personal attacks ("What a crook!"). I recommend extending their topic ban to everything related to religion or ethnic conflicts in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, because it is clear that they lack the clue needed to edit productively in this topic area.  Sandstein  10:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

    I'm going to have to concur with Sandstein - obviously vexatious, and the violation of NPA in this filing is inexcusable. I'd go so far as to implement a one-way interaction ban. Otherwise, let's just indef and be done with this unacceptable behaviour. DP 10:59, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    Note: For those not following along at home, the editor decided to remove the violation of WP:NPA in this edit. That does not remove the fact that they felt it to be a good idea at the time, nor that it should have been struck, rather than removed as it had already been commented upon. ES&L 15:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    I agree but I'd suggest an AE month long block for violating the IBAN and personal attacks rather than changing the topic ban or indef blocking in this case. If there is anything more after the block then I imagine it'll be pretty quickly followed by a wide TBAN or a long/indef block, but as this is the first block and not long after the IBAN was imposed I'd rather not block indef this time. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:40, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    Particularly concerning is that this enforcement request seems to be retaliation for a similar one closed yesterday. AGK 12:43, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    When a topic ban is issued (rather than a block) the assumption is that the person can do useful work in other areas and is willing to observe the terms of the ban. If somebody returns to the offensive against the other party so quickly, and files an AE which is technically off limits due to his ban, I think the only reasonable step is some kind of a block. I'd support User:Callanecc's proposal of a one-month block for Khabboos, as well as Sandstein's idea to widen the ban to cover religion or ethnic conflicts in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. I'd widen the ban further to say he can't edit any *articles* which contain mention of such ethnic conflicts. It is a concern that in Khabboos's AE against AcidSnow he seems to misunderstand what his ban covers. He seems to think that this edit is not related to Islam, even though the Sectarianism in Pakistan article is mainly about attacks said to have been committed by Sunni militant groups (see the second paragraph of the article). Attacks by Sunni militant groups are clearly related to Islam. EdJohnston (talk) 01:25, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
    Considering the continued topic ban violations by Khabboos, one mentioned above and one here (referring to the implementation of the Sharia in Pakistan), I am closing this request with the sanction proposed by EdJohnston above.  Sandstein  16:27, 29 March 2014 (UTC)