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| ::With the disclaimer that I and Molobo are involved in several content disputes with Ghirla and Irpen, and so our POV is certainly biased to some extent, I support the above comment by Molobo. I would also like to add that while Irpen often uses talk and discusses issues with me (and most often then not we reach some suitable compromise) he rarely discusses things with Molobo and often calls him troll (on talk pags and edit summaries), which I find very discouraging and creating a bad atmosphere in editing. As for Ghirlandajo, his behaviour on just one content field in a short amount of time (Poland-related edits few months ago) generated a large list of incivility behaviour (see ]] for evidence). That RfC has done nothing to curb his behaviour, and I'd rather think that it is Ghirla's extreme incivility and refusal to take part in most discussions that should be of concern to ArbCom, as Irpen behaviour is much less extreme then Ghirla's.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 20:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC) | ::With the disclaimer that I and Molobo are involved in several content disputes with Ghirla and Irpen, and so our POV is certainly biased to some extent, I support the above comment by Molobo. I would also like to add that while Irpen often uses talk and discusses issues with me (and most often then not we reach some suitable compromise) he rarely discusses things with Molobo and often calls him troll (on talk pags and edit summaries), which I find very discouraging and creating a bad atmosphere in editing. As for Ghirlandajo, his behaviour on just one content field in a short amount of time (Poland-related edits few months ago) generated a large list of incivility behaviour (see ]] for evidence). That RfC has done nothing to curb his behaviour, and I'd rather think that it is Ghirla's extreme incivility and refusal to take part in most discussions that should be of concern to ArbCom, as Irpen behaviour is much less extreme then Ghirla's.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 20:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::: Could you please provide diffs of where Irpen has engaged in name-calling? I tried to follow some of the diffs on the RfC, but the actual links usually seemed to have very little to do with what the related complaint was. For example, one diff supposedly shows where Irpen accused someone of trolling, but I checked the diff, and it looked like a reasonable explanation, without the word "troll" appearing anywhere in it. --] 21:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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A couple of trolls launched Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Irpen and hectically spam the talk pages of Russophobic editors in the hope of intimidating this invaluable wikipedian. I suggest every reasonable wikipedian should refrain from feeding the trolls. Let's see how the likes of Andriyka, Molobo, Piotrus, Halibutt and Ukrained stage a Russophobic circus here. --Ghirla 17:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- The above comment is sadly an evidence how the discussion looks like in regards to Russian related issues with Irpen and Ghirandajo. All that isn't in line with ultra-patriotic Russian version that speaks favourably of Russia is determined as "Russophobic" and users that don't support the pro-Russian view of Ghirandajo and Irpen are accused of being "trolls". Ghirandajo has been warned by Arbcom to stop insulting people but he continues to do so :here a user is called Bulgarian pest.
I must confess Its hard to work with Irpen and his collegue Ghirandajo, many edits are biased and manipulative wording is added, often in line with Soviet propaganda or Russian nationalist ideology, or at least taking statemants by such influences as granted. It is true that Irpen also frequently calls others "trolls" and removes justifiable content:, opting for historically inaccurate versions of articles(in this example he tries to claim that Russia took only Belarussian and Ukrainian territories in Partition of Poland). --Molobo 17:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- With the disclaimer that I and Molobo are involved in several content disputes with Ghirla and Irpen, and so our POV is certainly biased to some extent, I support the above comment by Molobo. I would also like to add that while Irpen often uses talk and discusses issues with me (and most often then not we reach some suitable compromise) he rarely discusses things with Molobo and often calls him troll (on talk pags and edit summaries), which I find very discouraging and creating a bad atmosphere in editing. As for Ghirlandajo, his behaviour on just one content field in a short amount of time (Poland-related edits few months ago) generated a large list of incivility behaviour (see Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Ghirlandajo] for evidence). That RfC has done nothing to curb his behaviour, and I'd rather think that it is Ghirla's extreme incivility and refusal to take part in most discussions that should be of concern to ArbCom, as Irpen behaviour is much less extreme then Ghirla's.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Could you please provide diffs of where Irpen has engaged in name-calling? I tried to follow some of the diffs on the RfC, but the actual links usually seemed to have very little to do with what the related complaint was. For example, one diff supposedly shows where Irpen accused someone of trolling, but I checked the diff, and it looked like a reasonable explanation, without the word "troll" appearing anywhere in it. --Elonka 21:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- With the disclaimer that I and Molobo are involved in several content disputes with Ghirla and Irpen, and so our POV is certainly biased to some extent, I support the above comment by Molobo. I would also like to add that while Irpen often uses talk and discusses issues with me (and most often then not we reach some suitable compromise) he rarely discusses things with Molobo and often calls him troll (on talk pags and edit summaries), which I find very discouraging and creating a bad atmosphere in editing. As for Ghirlandajo, his behaviour on just one content field in a short amount of time (Poland-related edits few months ago) generated a large list of incivility behaviour (see Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Ghirlandajo] for evidence). That RfC has done nothing to curb his behaviour, and I'd rather think that it is Ghirla's extreme incivility and refusal to take part in most discussions that should be of concern to ArbCom, as Irpen behaviour is much less extreme then Ghirla's.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)