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What's up, Doc?

Hi. I am really glad to see all the good work you have done on Elcor, Minnesota. Just a note on your most recent edits, however. Encyclopedias by nature are tertiary sources. That means (as I am sure you know) that original research is not allowed. One of your recent cites noted an interview. That would be considered original research. All sources must be published. They do not have to be internet accessible, but the do have to be accessible in some way. Still really good work though and thanks for improving the people's encyclopedia. If you ever need any policy or technical help, feel free to drop me a note on my talk page. Happy editing! John from Idegon (talk) 19:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

In reply to your email, I am going to leave you in the hands of my much more capable than I friend Coal town guy. Original research is not allowed; I think even the email you mentioned would be considered OR. Although using primary sources such as documents is allowed, secondary sources like books, periodicals, newspapers and academic journals are much preferred. CTG is amazing at writing about places that formerly were. Me, I do better with places that are still. Happy editing!

BTW, userpage messages are the usual way of communicating on Misplaced Pages. Email is generally only for sensitive things. John from Idegon (talk) 00:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, JFI. Per your constructive criticism, I have removed the personal citations that might be construed as OR per Misplaced Pages guidelines and is unavailable for verification by independent third parties save one: the article I wrote which was accepted for publication in the periodical Range Reminiscing. Copies of this article are available for purchase or public review at the Iron Range Historical Society research library, and was reviewed by it's Secretary prior to publication: I believe this qualifies as a "Secondary Source" per Misplaced Pages guidelines. The question I have is this: I have one other interview cited in the Elcor, Minnesota article. It is an interview with a former Elcor resident by someone other than myself, and I am in possession of the manuscript. The problem is the manuscript is not dated so I have no idea when she conducted the interview, and I do not know which city the interview took place (the resident may have been in a nursing home in Eveleth, Virginia, Aurora, etc. at the time of the interview). The manuscript is available to the public as I have had a copy in my possession for some time, but I would have to do some research of my own to remember where it came from (it may have come from the Iron Range Historical Society or the Minnesota Discovery Center). Thoughts? DrGregMN (talk) 12:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

While it is correct to remove those sources and data that cant be verified, it is within possibility that IF its possible, is there a verifiable source for the data? Morbid curiosity here as that has been an issue with many of the places I document for certain. A good source for me has been local published historians, news paper archives..Just some ideas..Coal town guy (talk) 13:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks CTG. Hope you got my message on your talk page. I did leave JFI a message and went to his email which was apparently inappropriate. The previous interview with Micheal Smith was deleted. It was not published, and he is dead. However, the other interview I cited was a result of email correspondence with the general manager of Minorca mine at ArcelorMittal as to how the mine was renamed. JFI's opinion was regardless of the email documentation, this could still be construed as original research. DrGregMN (talk) 14:40, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Sadly, that is correct...HOWEVER, do you happen to know if there was a news paper interview? OR has there been any attempt to have a news paper publish local historical data? Just thinkingCoal town guy (talk) 15:04, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Here's a thought. My old hometown newspaper would occasionally run history articles on their features page. Perhaps you could interest a reporter in interviewing the person you interviewed. The resulting article would be WP:RS. John from Idegon (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

OR try these Found some data in Minnesota Place Names a Geographical Encyclopedia, also spelled Elcore...and its post office is noted......The Mining Directory of Minnesota also mentions a few names, AND company data. .....There are also societies dedicated to mining in general for Iron or coal etc etc. These places can have data about a place in documented form...Coal town guy (talk) 15:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, gents. I am familiar with the USGS disambiguation of the "Elcore" Post Office; the correct spelling is "Elcor" (kind of like the main street in Elcor was "Manilla" street, named after "Manila" in the Philippines). I have deleted all of the footnoted OR; however, I have elected to leave the Sedgeman interview since it is available in manuscript form. Otherwise, all citations (except web) are from the newspaper archives at Minnesota Historical Society; the Iron Range Historical Society, the Northeast Minnesota Research Center at UMD; the Iron Range Research Center at the Minnesota Discovery Center; the John R. Borchert map library at the University of Minnesota, or the public library. Hopefully, this will pull the article up to Wiki standards.

The article was and is great. The only effort here would be t veracity, I for one am still impressed as hell Coal town guy (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

CONGRATS!!!!

		WikiProject Ghost towns Barnstar
		Your work on Elcor, Minnesota deserves this at least

This is beyond impressive. Without hesitation, the editor deserves the ghost town barn star.....I have awarded it, what fantastic work.. From personal experience, it is extremey difficult to locate data on remote locations, much less have them in a form that is wiki friendly, jaw dropping and impressive from a remote town point of view. My user name is User:Coal town guy, my life on wikipedia revolves around remote locations in WV and KY..BUT I MUST say, WOW. I have read your article in detail, when you have time, I would very much like to help it grow, there are of course some wiki things which can be addressed, and I would very much like to volunteer to help as I have great respect for the work this article must have takenCoal town guy (talk) 20:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week, for "extraordinary time and effort to articles about remote towns". Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Misplaced Pages Editor Retention Project)

User:Coal town guy submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

WHY? Because, like myself, this editor has dedicated extraordinary time and effort to articles about remote towns; places that most people see by accident in the rear view mirror on a long country drive. It takes guts, dedication, and the facility to almost absorb endless questioning about the veracity of not only a location, but literally, was it real (?), who lived there (?), etc., etc., etc. These types of efforts take time and resources: making them wiki worthy, is nothing short of amazing. See the work I speak of at Elcor, Minnesota and, of course, further work at Iron Range Historical Society. Ergo, it is with zero hesitation that I nominate DrGregM. As a former Editor of the Week myself, I can appreciate what it means.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Go Phightins! 12:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

• Glad to see you get some recognition. It looks like you have dedicated a lot of time and effort at Misplaced Pages, and it is obvious that you make a difference. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Congrats on a great article! Gandydancer (talk) 02:00, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi there and thanks for the great article! I'm guessing that you are perhaps from The Range? My mother's family was from Tower and I went to high school there. I've written a few Minnesota articles--most of the Ely and Duluth articles. I hope to hear from you and hope that you stick around and do more writing. Gandydancer (talk) 02:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)