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... the third party's weapon is not a self loading rifle but his ability without force or threats to persuade both sides to avoid violence and settle their differences by peaceful means ... - The Peacekeeper's Handbook

To be unpopular with both sides at the same time is probably the best pointer to the fact that one is performing one's duties correctly and with impartiality. - The Peacekeeper's Handbook

I archive my talk page when it gets longer than is preferable. You should too!

• User talk:FrancisTyers/Archive1 (18:58, 25 December 2004 — 18:17, 22 December 2005)
• User talk:FrancisTyers/Archive2 (18:17, 22 December 2005 — 01:40, 06 January 2006)
• User talk:FrancisTyers/Archive3 (01:40, 06 January 2006 — 11:14, 3 March 2006)
• User talk:FrancisTyers/Archive4 (11:14, 3 March 2006 — 01:59, 28 April 2006)
• User talk:FrancisTyers/Archive5 (01:59, 28 April 2006 — 19:00, 1 June 2006)

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Tajik alphabet

Visitors to my talk page should feel free to check out Tajik alphabet and suggest improvements ^___^ - FrancisTyers 19:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you should make a wikitable (class="wikitable") for the alphabets, with pronunciation etc. --Telex 19:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I think I'm going to translate it in Macedonian (Таџичка азбука) in recent time... I hope you don't mind. Bomac 19:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK Coccolithovirus

On June 1, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Coccolithovirus, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for the submission! I've used the image on the main page as well; feel free to mention on any future nominations that the article has a good image to go along with it. --Spangineer (háblame) 22:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Greco-Turkish War

Why did you protected Greco-Turkish War? There was no Vandalism in that article.(87.203.227.17 10:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

If you don't know why, don't protect (87.203.227.17 10:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

Re: Macedonian language

You're certainly welcome, but whatever edit you refer to, it certainly wasn't mine -- I only formatted the examples to look more nicer.

Is there a particular reason why you're changing the references back to obsolete {{ref}} tags? <ref> style is now "officially" preferred. Duja

For the start, here. I don't think that it's so "unworkable" though -- see here. Duja 11:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you think my page is still acceptable? --Telex 16:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I really can't see what may be considered polemical in Vergina's page. Apart maybe from renaming certain sub-pages, which I do not consider so important. Please advise...  NikoSilver  18:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Some crackpot problems

Hi Francis, can I have your help in a somewhat sensitive issue please? I came across an editor, User:Deucalionite, who has created quite a few articles which I believe have serious quality problems (unsourced, OR, promoting fringe theories, often with linguistic topics). I have the feeling some cleanup needs to be done, but I don't want to appear to be stalking the guy, who is clearly a well-meaning, good-faith editor. I've started at Joseph E. Yahuda (a pseudo-linguistic crackpot theorist) - please see the article talk page, where Deucalionite has been rather defiant about previous objections and prod'ing proposals. I've also left a note to him on his talk page, hopefully friendly enough. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The character in that article sounds hilarious! He's probably right though ;-) --Telex 19:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course not. All languages of the world are derived from Basque. , . Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Latest vandalism by User:Cyde

I saw you had reverted the vandalism by Cyde to the Ref/Note templates, but then reverted yourself. You were right the first time. This rogue admin has vandalized many pages, and otherwise abused administrative powers to push his individual ideas on reference styles (for example, converting pages directly contrary to page consensus; and falsely changing guidelines to indicate a deprecation consensus that does not exist). This earned him a couple RfC's so far; but unfortunately, not yet a desysop'ing, which he desperately needs.

I implore you to restore the templates to the version before the non-consenus, and basically simply false, deprecation notice. LotLE×talk 21:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Slavic toponyms for Greek places

You do know this article exists, don't you, before you created your fork ;-) --Telex 10:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Barnstarred

I award this original barnstar to Francis for his great efforts at making the Macedonia-related articles so much more peaceful a place to edit. -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

unexplained changes - CSB

Hey - I'm a "plumber/bricklayer/binman/carpenter/mechanic"! :) (I agree with your point though.) --Bookandcoffee 20:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Pontian Greek Genocide

Hi,

Perhaps you could take a look at this article. I have argued that it is based entirely on a Greek POV, and its title is innapropiate. Thanks, --A.Garnet 23:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Moldovans

Francis can you look and contribute essentially to the NPOV of article Moldovans? Again User:Node ue is playing in the old stalinist way as he did on moldovan language supporting now the following: Moldovans=Russians! Very strange, but you can contribute essentially and all will accept your mediation. 193.109.91.134 13:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Macedonia

He's still continuing with the irredenta stuff.   /FunkyFly.talk_   18:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Now user:Vlatkoto has joined with the same map.   /FunkyFly.talk_   18:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've been mostly spending my free time in doing my stuff at mk.wiki these days (massive update of the translation), so I haven't had the time for en.wiki. I've noticed that you have problems with Macedonia and , I really don't know what's up with these guys... The Macedonian diaspora has some nationalistic elements, maybe it's because some of them had a really painful childhood (the exodus of Macedonians from Greece etc.). Anyways, what do you think about Macedonia's current user page. Because I know that this flag is really contentious, I would have removed it, however, it seems somewhat similar to Telex's page at mk.wiki. Are flags also belong into the inflammatory material? As for my personal POV about this flag: I really don't know how it became the "eternal symbol" of both Macedonians and Greeks, since it was discovered in the late 70's, and as far as I know, nobody had a clue about it before. However, although I really like the new flag, and the sun symbolics, I don't really condemn those who still use the old flag (doesn't mean that they are necessary nationalists or something). For example, Eurominority still uses it (I guess as something of a "self-identifying" flag of the community) This (my opinion) also applies for the Greek variant. --FlavrSavr 22:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I advised to use the old flag instead of the United Macedonia map. --Telex 22:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

OK. I saw that. Do you consider your user page on mk.wiki to be chauvinistic, as well? --FlavrSavr 23:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Francis, you must be joking. I was referring to Telex! :-)--FlavrSavr 23:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio

Hi, Vlatko just uploaded Image:SkopjefromSpace.JPG, which he made using Google Earth. The problem is that it is a copyvio - Google Earth includs this condition:

This Software is for non-commercial use only and your rights in the Software are strictly limited to home, personal or recreational use only by you and not for the benefit of third parties.

How on earth did Vlatko licence it under the GFDL??? --Telex 21:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Other recent uploads. .   /FunkyFly.talk_   21:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Vlatko releases Image:060514s skopje panorama.jpg under the GFDL whilst citing a link - that link says Copyright © 2006 TrekEarth at the bottom. No comment. --Telex 21:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

User Page

So let me get this straight, I created and uploaded an image myself, which is curently being used on Misplaced Pages articles, and I can't even use it on my own user page??? Macedonia 01:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The image has the following caption:

The region of Macedonia as perceived by Macedonian irredentists. Ethnic Macedonian nationalists have expressed irredentist claims to what they refer to as "Aegean Macedonia" (Greece)...

So by including it in your userpage, you admittedly identify as:

• a "Macedonian" irredentist
• an Ethnic "Macedonian" nationalist
• who expresses irredentist claims on what he refers to as Aegean Macedonia...

YES! You cannot have it in your userpage, the same way as you cannot have:

• Image:Nazi Swastika.svg
• Image:Thule-gesellschaft emblem.jpg
• Image:CWswastika.png
• Image:Flag Schutzstaffel.svg
• Image:Hitlerjugend Allgemeine Flagge.svg
• Image:HJ Bann.jpg
• Image:HJ Gefolgschaft.jpg
• Image:DJ Jungbann.jpg
• Image:DJ Fähnlein.jpg
• Image:Baphomet.gif
• Image:Inverted pentacle.svg
• Image:Klan-in-gainesville.jpg
• Image:17N-manifesto.jpg
• Image:Moro br 1.jpg

etc etc etc. Any more questions?  NikoSilver  08:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

So I guess Britannica happens to be a "Macedonian" irredentist and an Ethnic "Macedonian" nationalist because they happen to use a similar map in their encyclopedias when depicting the Macedonian region as well as the terms Aegean and Pirin Macedonia. So I don't see how a simple map of the region of Macedonia which is currently being used by scholars in encyclopedias can be compared with a swastika. If you have any more questions you can ask me or better yet consult a Britanica. Macedonia 20:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Duh? Britannica shows the swastica as well. It doesn't self-identify as such, by placing it in its cover. You on the other hand...  NikoSilver  20:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I highly doubt Britannica uses that map (even at all) calling it "Historical Ethnic Macedonia". Britannica is extremely sceptical regarding the so called "Macedonian ethnicity", and evades mentioning it my name whenever possible. --Telex 20:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Semivowels (copied from my user page)

Regarding semivowels, I got that from lunt 1952, now he may well be wrong, or I might have confused the terminology. Can you point me at another study of Macedonian phonology? - FrancisTyers 17:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'd stick with Friedman on this one. You know, that same online grammar. Friedman calls only /j/ a "glide" (= "semivowel"), while /l/, /ł/, and /r/ are just liquids - two lateral (approximant)s and one trill - i.e. the standard situation in 99% of the languages you would normally think of. There might be a lateral and a rhotic semivowel in some language, but at least I've never heard of one. --85.187.44.131 07:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Stan Lazaridis

Copied to my other talk page.

Albanisation

Hi Francis, an article you once created as a stub, Albanisation, has been put on AfD. I haven't voted (just corrected the malformed nomination) - but I must say I wonder what you wanted to achieve with this article. It seems to me that it's doomed to be either a dicdef, or a POV dump. It's a matter of intension vs. extension: "Albanisation" as a concept (intension) is a dicdef, while in terms of extension whatever it refers to doesn't really seem to form a single coherent historical phenomenon. Of course this or that may have become "Albanised" here or there sometime in history, but does that make all these disparate historical events into a single article topic? Do we have Germanisation, Anglicisation, Swedishization, Bulgaricisation, ...? (Let's see how much of this turns blue in preview, I'm really curious.) Or is it the case that there is some particularly salient period in Balkan history characterised by a single trend of Albanian expansion, and the article is meant to describe that? Your comments? I'll hold back any vote until I hear your opinion. I'm quite open to being convinced of the merits of the article, it's just that I can't really see it right now. The AfD nominator is an Albanian editor who seems to have issues with several Albanian-related articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. Seems the AfD is turning safely towards keep, and I won't oppose that. I can see now that this was part of a series I wasn't aware of.

<pieve type="pet" mode="rant" switch="on">Although, to be frank, I'm still not quite happy with those kinds of articles. Somehow there's a hyper-proliferation of ethnicities-related articles, for my taste. For every nation X, where it would really suffice to have one country article ("X-istan") and one language article ("X-ese"), these days we get one ethnicity article ("X people"), one on nationalist grievances ("Anti-X-ism"), one on irredentism ("Greater X-ism"), one on assimilation ("X-ification"). The whole "X people" concept seems suspicious to me, the very article format tends to attract ethnic essentialist thinking.</pieve> -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

About mk.wiki

Everybody considers mk.wiki as bad? :-( Bad in what way, in particular? Neutrality? (you mean, it's worse than for example bg.wiki?) --FlavrSavr 23:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess you read only the latest comments :-). Now, for the user pages of Macedonia and Telex - personally I don't find them chauvinistic, but rather provocative. As for the mk.wiki, I guess you meant bad in NPOV implementation. Yes, it is bad in some articles, however, I'm under the impression that is not worse than bg.wiki, for example (el.wiki and sq.wiki I don't understand). Typical Balkan POVs do influence it. However, if you think that an average mk.Wikipedian resembles Macedonia, Makedonia, Vlatkoto, you're seriously wrong - they don't even edit on mk.wiki. The most nationalistic editor we have had, is perhaps Makedonec, who left the project because we have reverted him on several occasions. He vigorously protested why we had put both Macedonian and Greek (red and blue) Vergina star flag on the general Macedonia page, and the Greeks haven't done that. --FlavrSavr 00:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and you just had to forget INkubusse, Evla, Alexander SK (aka Realek), Guitardemon666 and whole bunch of others. Dont let me present you links with curses upon curses on Bulgarian and Greek users, just like it happens here.   /FunkyFly.talk_   01:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Heh, no worse than bg.wiki. You have some nerve FlavrSavr. The article about Macedonian language clearly presents both sides of the story, in excrutiating detail, much like en.wiki. For all the revolutionaries and tzar Samuil, the situation is pretty much the same as en.wiki. I dont see you comparing mk.wiki with en.wiki though. There are no propagandas on massive scale, like taking over parts of neighboring countries and claiming millions of people. Articles are fairly well sourced and chauvinism is under control. Most importantly, the self-determination principle is being followed, unlike at mk.wiki.   /FunkyFly.talk_   01:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Nationalism, and the Balkan wikipedias

It is not only to be expected, but to be respected. Any tempering influence on the ex-Yugoslav Wikipedias (in particular, sr: and hr:) would destroy the relationship between them. At the same time, it is not all so bad that you would have the right to gasp in horror. Neither sr: nor hr: tramps more than the Serbian or Croatian media. Maybe on less, because hr: is populated with educated adults, whereas on sr:, though it is known for accomodating us punks once in a while, there nonetheless exists an internal atmosphere which will prevent any significant distortions. --VKokielov 03:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I clarified by striking "on". --VKokielov 16:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Greco-Turkish war 1919-1922

Repeated insertion of uncited information is neither vandalism nor a reason for "sprotection". Please unprotect this article. 87.203.188.125 10:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much!

87.203.188.125 10:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Glad to see there are impartial thirds dealing with the Macedonian issues and all other exclusively Greek issues in general. I thought we should be introduced! ZITO I ELLAS!  ₪Hellenic Republic₪  13:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Why do yoy think that you are competent, how do you ditinguish whats inflamatory?. And therefore give your self the right to play with other user pages than yours?--Vlatko 18:57, 06 June 2006 (UTC)

here are some: Makedonia's user page, Pulvis angelis's page... I tought that every user has the page in order to expres him self, therefore he has the liberty to write and put every kind of image or text on.?--Vlatko 20:00, 06 June 2006 (UTC)

See WP:USER. --Telex 18:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Nexm0d

You don't like Serbs, do you ? See also Serbophobia ;-) --Telex 18:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Nexm0d is right though - it's perfectly clear that we're dealing with the same language. It should be called Yugoslavic of something else politically correct. I don't know about your Serbophobic agenda, but you certainly have a pro-FYROM agenda; you reject historical facts in favour of what is written at www.maknews.com. --Telex 18:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Check out this nationalistic rant I stumbled upon at Talk:Gagauz people. "One Turk worths a World"! :D —Khoikhoi 23:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Note

Hello. There appears to be two errors on Template:Note: the misuse of it’s, and an odd code at the end. I would appreciate it if you fix these up. Thanks in advance. --70.25.168.90 03:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Plenary Indulgence

This revokes my previous reward attempt poorly thought out vandalism of your user page.

Continued Arvanite trouble

Could you have another look at Arvanites, perhaps? Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Footnotes

Let's get done with it and ask for these features all together. There are only two points requesting your attention: (1)the foo/goo thing, which actually works and (2)a proposal for the text flow. Please comment on both.  NikoSilver  16:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. See Misplaced Pages talk:Footnotes#Poll. Can you help formatting the poll or any procedural details if needed?  NikoSilver  17:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Bitola

Hi, could you see WP:MWNB#Bitola article again. --Telex 17:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, its me again :( Maybe it is really irelevant what we are arguing about whole night, but FunkyFly has removed sourced data from the Bitola introduction. MatriX 20:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Fran, check the situation more carefully before making strong statements in the edit comments.   /FunkyFly.talk_   22:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Arvanitika

Francis, if you want to discuss the linguistic classification of Arvanitika, then please read all the archives. There is not one source describing it as a seperate language from Albanian, whereas there are multiple sources (Trudgill included) calling it a "dialect". See this letter to see how this Arvanite at least feels. --Telex 18:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Vlatkoto

Hi, I'm having trouble with Vlatkoto. There are two images:

• Image:Grb na Skopje.jpg
• Image:Skopje Real1.png

and he won't say where he got them, or, if he made them, if he was free to use the used images. I'm afraid I don't trust his GFDL claims. About the Skopje emblem, he uploaded it and released it under the GFDL, while saying he got of from the city's website. This is too inconsistent. --Telex 13:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Look, he's even edit warring with me over it . He claims he made the picture, but if he made it using unfree images, then it's still a copyvio. --Telex 13:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)::

Telex, I created the image Skopje real using macromedia fireworks, I created also and other images, lotss of, I enjoy drawing, and I have skils. And tell me who are you to take such actions, Than tell me who made the picture Skopje real> the coat of skopje is taken from the official site. Realy you are not doing nothing good here.--Vlatko 15:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Will you judje me and for the amblem with mine name for using the lion and vergina sun for..>>>

--Vlatko 15:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

If you took the arms of Skopje from their website, then you cannot release it under the GFDL, as it is copyrighted. You can only upload it for fair use purposes, something you clearly have not done. --Telex 13:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for, I do make mestakes, I'm just human, Please correct the licence info---Vlatko 15:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

You are so lying. You lied for half of the images you uploaded that you made yourself and you know it, so have some dignity.   /FunkyFly.talk_   15:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I will review the copiright information of the images I used, And if I find problems I will ask you to delete the image.---Vlatko 15:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, Francis I agree, but I will upload images that can be uploaded without "problem", you know what i mean. And why is the image removed from Skopje article, I think it should stay there till we see its copiright status, we have seven days or less for. ? .---Vlatko 18:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Hi. Could you please have a look at Nakhichevan? Fadix is trying to include in the article the info which he failed to substantiate on the talk page by waging a revert war. I would appreciate your efforts to mediate. Regards, Grandmaster 18:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Prlichev & Miladinov brothers

Moved to the other page.

Islam in the Soviet Union

Greetings! Regarding the Islam in the Soviet Union, I'm curious about how to proceed. There are two appraches in my mind..

1. Break it down in to an era by Era section, so "Under Lenin", to "under Stalin" all the way to "Under Gorby". This will mean it will be in accurate chronological order, but will treat the varying Ethnic groups as Homogenous.
2. Break it into a Republic, or Area, by Republic secion, so "In Tajikistan", "In Kazakhstan", even a "In Afghanistan" - This I do not favour, for while the ethnic groups do have different histories, are they significantly different enough in the context of the history of the Soviet Union?

Well, Clearly I do not know - So, your thoughts? --Irishpunktom\ 14:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

United Macedonia

Moved to Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board

Template Talk:WesternSahara-stub

Your opinion would be welcome at the ongoing straw poll. Thanks, --E Asterion 11:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello

What do I hear this pro-Serbian/anti-Serbian attitude of yours? ;) Also, what's this that you believe in new partisan theories, rather than plain facts? --HolyRomanEmperor 14:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh! :) --HolyRomanEmperor 15:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Am I a wikistalker?

Hi Francis, I'm afraid the story between me and Deucalionite is at a stage where some admin advice is required. Could I have your opinion? Deuc. is now taking the matter personally and is seriously enraged at me, it seems. He's been reverting a {copyvio} tag I put on a new article by him, Stradioti. I don't want to do this alone so as not to make it appear some kind of personal stalking vendetta of mine, so some outside advice would be appreciated. I've taken the freedom of asking dab too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick action. You're right of course about the "commerciality" clause. But looking at the deletion log now (), I see an earlier version of the same page, marked as a copyvio from a mirror of the same external article, had been deleted earlier in May. I don't know if that was also created by Deuc., but wouldn't this mean it should be speedied as recreation of previously deleted article? Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

FlavrSavr

Do you think this is justified ?   /FunkyFly.talk_   23:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

This has already not been tolerated says FlavrSavr - I suppose he's referring to dissenting viewpoints; mkwiki must be worse than Turkey when it comes to challenging the state doctrine. --Telex 23:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I've browsed, I'm not aware of any user page policies, and for that reason, any policies in general that apply there.   /FunkyFly.talk_   23:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Check the revision history of mk:user:Македонец to see what certain users gat away with when they were on the right side of the doctrine. --Telex 23:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure the same kind of stuff happens on all the Balkano-pedias. - FrancisTyers · 23:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

You criticize bgwiki when you get the chance, but when it comes to burying mkwiki, you go all soft and "let him without sin cast the first stone". You're far from neutral - are you a closet Macedonian Slav, maybe? --Telex 23:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Macedonian Misplaced Pages is just as bad as the rest of them. And I'm shocked, you finally uncovered my secret! I'm not going to unilaterally condemn FlavrSavr just because he removed some chauvinistic BS from a users talk page. Just as I wouldn't criticise a Greek who removed United Macedonia crap from the talk page of a user on el.wiki or an Albanian who removed "Kosovo je Serbije" or whatever those nationalist fucktards write on their user pages from a page on the Albanian wikipedia. - FrancisTyers · 00:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It seems you're not as petty as me. --Telex 00:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Look, FlavrSavr is threatening now. He says if you say Macedonistics once more, or if you restore that provocation to your page, you will be blocked. Censorship reaches its zenith at mkwiki! --Telex 00:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Hi, Francis, could you please have a look at the article and help end the recent edit war? The page was protected, and I think we need your take of the situation. Grandmaster 10:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

About the image

I have no time, I'm on a exam tommorow. After the exam I'll see the copiright informations an will inform you.--Vlatko 19:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

Hi, could you delete:

• Ethnic identity in Greece
• Talk:Ethnic identity in Greece

A user moved my little (original research) research from my user namespace to the article namespace (something he shouldn't have done). After reverting him, the redirects need deleting. Thanks. --Telex 20:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Vlatko

Francis, could you please have a word with Vlatko about the dangers of chauvinism. It's generally thought of as improper to present provinces of independent countries as though they rightfully belonged to another independent country. In case you're wondering, that anon is Vlatko. --Telex 18:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

These articles are related with the ones I added, and the chovinism is expresed by Telex in the statement above. But Francis tell me isn't that part of their history (it seems you had made an order to me here:. And please delete the image cose two of the pictures i Have used are copyrighted :-(.--Vlatko 21:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Skopje_Real1.png two af the pictures I had used in order to create this one are copyright, I'll check and for others :-(.--Vlatko 21:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The prodigal son has returned!   /FunkyFly.talk_   00:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It seems that Funky is on wikipedia just for "Bubling", I knew not about the copyright of the images, admiting that, I showed that a made the mestake without a bad intention, why should i do something like that.--Vlatko 15:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

You "should do something like that" because you understand English well enough to read the template names.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

References

My goal isn't to irritate, just help in poorly referenced pages. I saw the talk on it, and reverted. :) --Esprit15d 20:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan again

Hi Francis. Sorry for dragging you into this again, but would you be so kind as to see what’s going on Nakhichevan? I personally consider Fadix’s behavior to be very inadequate, and we need somebody to mediate the dispute. Maybe you could help us to end this argument. Regards, Grandmaster 06:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Francis, I've read your note on Grandmaster talkpage. I beg to disagree, the only things I haven't done is to source those footnotes you filled, because every of those were documented in the talk page and my answer to you alone contained two of them. Had this been a normal article, I would not need to cite more than 2 notable sources. I even proposed a change insteed of targeted using the word 'most affected.' I wonder what I can provide more, and the word as well is not POV. It is stupid for me to assume good faith when Grandmaster report as such a mass scale resettelement of Muslims which he doesn't document and claim he does not have to document anything. Fad (ix) 19:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Francis, I have little patience when the person with whom I debate request something which is not available for other subjects covering the period. This should have been an easy matter, even the Ottoman until its fall did not have proper census and only was an accurate uses of record has been used in the Russian Empire in the 19th century with the punching card system. Google is a great tool, but also can become for the worst of Misplaced Pages. We should not use it to advance a position, but use it to confirm something. I have seriously researched in various databases, in fact even without typing the term Armenian, and I was getting results in regard to Armenians. He started a fight if I remember correctly for the migration of Armenians in Erivan, which is included in the Nakhichevan article and is unrelated with the subject, did you see me revert waring and placing this into context by highlining one of the major reasons which was the prior years Armenian immigration for Georgia? I don't know if you have followed the discussion about the etymology of the word Nakhichevan, take a look a the section: the name of Nakhichevan was altered many times, changing to: Nakshijahan, Nuhchikhan (the place where Noah landed), Nesheva and etc. This of course isen't supported by any reputable publication, had the situation been reversed he would have not wasted the time to add that officially it is recognized that it is etymologically an Armenian word. I am tired to leave things because Grandmaster doesn't want to make any concession in the fact of the obvious. This mediation was to fail, how many mediations have ever succeeded when the matter was between me and Grandmaster? This is politically motivated, and he is under constant belief that if it is highloined that Armenians were those most affected from some twisted logic the legitimity of Nakhichevan autonomous republic will be questioned. Fad (ix) 21:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

In Karabakh cases it was a question of semantics, this is a cases of history, haven't I sourced all the points? To resolve an issue both parties should be ready to make concessions, I have changed targeted for 'most affected' Grandmaster never proposed any amendement, it was clear for him that any referrence to the Armenians in particular in regards to Abbas decision was out of question. This in my opinion is the reason why the mediation did not succeed. You do not start a mediation when one party does not want to make amendements neither concessions. I am not saying that I am not to blame, but I won't take any blame for not documenting. Again, I stress to the fact that this is an easy issue. What is reported? Is it a position? Regardless of if Grandmaster agree or not, most reputable sources say this and this position exist. Have I made a big story over the signed declaration of Khojali massacre claiming genocide? No, I stopped interfering on that, and even you admitted it was nonesense, here the cases is documented and Grandmaster just won't listen. Fad (ix) 21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

4 Ss?

a fascist nationalsit symbol? What the...??? --HolyRomanEmperor 09:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Macedonism

I made some changes in the article about Macedonism, I tried to make the article more neutral, please look at it and tell me what do you think about?--Vlatko 15:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes yes, you keep inserting "Bulgarian POV" without realizing this is the only POV in existence. The term is еxquisitively used in the political sense, I dare you to point a page where it is used as "symbolizing cultural influece". Look even the Serbs use it this way, let alone Republicans and Bulgarians.   /FunkyFly.talk_   18:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

So Francis, what is totally disputed about the term?   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, totaly diferent is that the term as it uses the name macedonia within it refers to Macedonian (as you want) political influence, and there is no need for a "google site", it refers to something macedonian, and implicating bulgarian POV makes the statements in the artical unrelevant, but if you want so, continue to do it, cose I give up, you have google here to be the smartest, congratulations. (not everithing is written "on" internet).--Vlatko 00:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

And for you Francis thanx for the answer.--Vlatko 00:01,14 June 2006 (UTC)

But Francis I already did it so, as you can see Funky edits the article as it is his own invention and so it "updates it", I sugest copyright ampblems to be puteed on "such articles",

than we can ask his majesti af all-knowing what shell we re-edit or ad.--Vlatko 18:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Holy Mother of God! Are you suggesting we put copyright tags on articles, which in your opinion are my original research?   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha, here is your english level, Funky, the metaphore I used is to show your flexibility, cose you even don't read what one has writen, you just revert.--Vlatko 21:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Nothing like a good laughter. It just shows you've got a lot of languages courses to pass...   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Francis, can we do something about this anonynous user claiming he is Vlatkoto. I mean what if someone else starts claiming he is Vlatkoto from another IP?   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but what if he changes his ISP? Or someone tries to impersonate him?   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

What's the status of this thing btw?   /FunkyFly.talk_   20:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Beware of the mooses.   /FunkyFly.talk_   23:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Poll on footnotes

Hi Fran. The time for Misplaced Pages talk:Footnotes#Poll will expire today. You're an admin, so would you care closing it? Please make special reference to two things that I think were quite interesting:

• My rsp to David Ruben about 6.1: "...we will force the hidden refs that don't correspond to a non-hidden ref within the body text to produce an error, so you will not be able to include un-linked refs."
• V111P said: "There is one other problem that was not mentioned here. Please, read m:Talk:Cite/Cite.php#Allowing_sub-references and m:Cite.php#Suggestion:_sub-reference_attribute_for_ref_tags!" Please read the first (short) link (the second one sends you to a non-existant headline). I find the proposal there very useful.

Also, where should we post the result of this poll so that it is carried out by developers?  NikoSilver  22:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be around some hours later. (18-19 UTC).  NikoSilver  15:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Here at last (and darn dsl modem fixed!) Shall we move on?  NikoSilver  19:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

That was it? I would have definitely preferred something near fuchsia! Seriously, where do we post those results for the developers to see them?  NikoSilver  20:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, should we notify all voters to upgrade this bug in Bugzilla too? Also, what about the rest of them? You still won't be able to have hidden bibliographic refs and stuff. :-(  NikoSilver  20:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the whereabouts of Bugzilla, so I guess I'm the one to notify the voters. Kindly provide me with the links for the listed bugs. I'll prepare some nice note (which must be also posted below the poll)...  NikoSilver  21:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wait. I think #1 has been misinterpreted. I'm checking. (Boy, you're a fast eater!)  NikoSilver  21:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Rice? we on a diet or smthng? The bugs are 7. See my comment in http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271 .  NikoSilver  22:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

...and there's a response to that, saying that we need to post a new bug for this. (division of labor -remember?) :-)  NikoSilver  23:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hope we saved the day there, I didn't wish to piss people off or anything, but darn text is apparently much less friendlier than actual talk. My intentions would be evident, if the guy was able to see my (and your, I presume) face. Now to your q: No, we want to file one according to this. Read it. It's cool!

PS. After you've read it, read also the second par from the end of this edit and my rsp.  NikoSilver  23:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

shusha prison

Hey,

Check out the shusha prison article POV bs keeps extending ... Baku87 needs to be taught a lesson in professionalism and such ..

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Fadix"

Again...

... the same thing has happened again - please see #Deletion again ;-) --Telex 10:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk:List of Transylvanians

Your intervention on that page left some points in suspense. You removed category:Hungary-related lists, but also :Romania-related lists. In the case of the latter, I have to point out (as I have did on all my replies on the talk page) that its inclusion in cat:Romania-related is perfectly justified - not by the number of Romanians listed (which would be idiotic considering several facts - including that of ethnicity not implying citizenship, therefore "Romanians" not equating "Romania", which is certainly true for Transylvanian Romanians for centuries on a row), but by the fact that Transylvania is part of Romania. Since this grouping was according to region of birth, and was not meant to imply that people on it have Romanian ethnicity or have had Romanian citizenship, it is as justified to indicate that this is related to Romania in the same way as Brttany is related to France and Bavaria to Germany. Dahn 16:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Latin-Arabic Transliteration

Hi, I am intersted in transliteration from Arabic script to Latin script. I am not a programmer, so I do not understand the technical side of the job. What is your opinion on this? Is it possible? How accurate the results would be? Just let me know your opinion on this matter. Thank you very much. Bye. --TimBits 03:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan Workers Party

Kurdistan Workers Party (with all names later-on) is an internationally recongnised(by EU, USA, Russia and many other individual countries) TERRORIST organization which took 30.000 lives of Turkish citizens! Stop tagging the name "militant" instead of "terrorist" as if they were fighting for a reasonable cause in reasonable manners. --User:Kertenkelebek14:57, 16 June 2006 (EET)

Just like E-mail

What do you think about this Francis, see . Is this the way enciclopedy articles should be writen? --Vlatko 20:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not part of the article, but a comment. And if Vlatkoto seems so worried about the quality of wikipedia, check out this fine edit.   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

And here a list of images, that I not intentionaly uploaded on in order to break the copyright policy, cose I did not understood the meaning of the GFDL licence:

• Image:Caska grb1.jpg
• Image:Makedonsi_brod_grb.png
• Image:Svnikolegrb.png
• Image:Makedonska kamenica flag.gif
• Image:Arachinovo Grb.gif
• Image:Bitola zname.gif
• Image:Bitola grb.GIF

Observe that Image:Makedonska kamenica flag.gif, Image:Makedonsi brod grb.png and Image:Caska grb1.jpg, as well as a lot of others which were already deleted, were {{GFDL-self}}, not just GFDL. A template, which begins with "I, the creator of this work..."   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

What the hell do you want Fank, is this here your problem, or you are one, "just continue to not make mestakes human"!.--Vlatko 22:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Just making necessary clarifications.   /FunkyFly.talk_   20:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Francis - I've made a few tweaks to the Slavs section of Minority groups in Greece. Could you check it and tell me if you still think it's neutral (your version certainly wasn't). --Telex 20:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for a wonderful edit at Zina (sex) article. --- Faisal 13:28, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Your FAR nomination

Dear Francis: can you specify the criteria that are not met? This is a requirement. Tony 03:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

khoasly

http://en.wikipedia.org/Khojali

check it out ... seems like more pov moving in ...

Vlatkoto copyvios

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