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Greater Romania (political concept)

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This looks like Misplaced Pages:Content forking to me. There is already an existing article named Greater Romania Avpop (talk) 08:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep. It has very little to do with interwar Romania (Greater Romania). Actually, there is another page "Unification of Romania and Moldova" which makes me think about the future of this page but 1, It does not discuss the concept of "Romanian revisionism" properly 2, Its name is misleading, it should strictly refer only to the period of the "possible unification of Romania and Moldova" (the early nineties) because it is not an ongoing "process". 3, Why do "Greater Serbia" and "Greater Hungary" exist? Fakirbakir (talk) 09:06, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The discussions about the unification of Romania and Moldova are still existing, they were not actual only in the 1990s. See the December 2013 declaration of President Basescu: "Romania's next big goal is merger with Moldova"

Regarding "Greater Serbia" and "Greater Hungary", it should be discussed how Misplaced Pages:Other stuff exists policy applies here. Avpop (talk) 09:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The period of the "possible unification of Romania and Moldova" happened in the early nineties. Basescu's statement rather belongs to the"Greater Romania (political concept)". Actually "the concept of Greater Romania" is the guiding principle for the "unification of Romania an Moldova". Also, some Romanian nationalists claim more Hungarian and Serbian territories and the ideology of their claim is the concept of Greater Romania.Fakirbakir (talk) 09:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Original research. You don't have any evidence to show that unification with Moldova was more possible with the Sovietized population of the latter country in 1992 and the Soviet-educated leadership of Romania than it might be today, when a younger generation has risen that is more aware of Europe and of the shared past, and the leadership on both sides is much more open to the idea. You also have no evidence that "some Romanian nationalists" have wanted the entire Banat since about 1941. - Biruitorul 14:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The point is that the nationalist demands are/were based on the concept of Greater Romania. Fakirbakir (talk) 15:13, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Moldova-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete - not only is this a content fork, it probably also violates WP:NOR, WP:COATRACK and WP:SYNTH.
• Look, the idea of "Greater Romania" probably can be divided into three distinct phases: before 1918, when it was an unrealized project; 1918 to 1940, when it actually existed; and since 1940, the political and/or ideological impulse for its recreation. That hardly justifies having two separate articles; it simply indicates we should expand the longstanding article we already have, Greater Romania, with a greater dose of theoretical content. And while Unification of Romania and Moldova is a sort-of related idea, it actually is distinct and needs to be kept separate. - Biruitorul 14:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

"Greater Romania" is about interwar Romania. It covers ONLY the period between the World Wars. Fakirbakir (talk) 15:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Because you say so? I'm sorry, that's not good enough. There is no policy-based reason — none — that says the Greater Romania article cannot be expanded with a section that details the concept as it existed until 1918, and with another that covers developments related to the idea since 1940. - Biruitorul 15:08, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

There is no other article about interwar Romania. It is pretty straightforward. Are you suggesting that Vadim Tudor's or Gheorghe Funar's statements in connection with Greater Romania belong to subject of interwar Romania? Fakirbakir (talk) 15:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there is another article that has quite a bit of coverage of interwar Romania: Kingdom of Romania.

More to the point, I am suggesting you avoid original research. Despite the name of their party, neither Vadim Tudor nor Funar are particularly connected to Romanian irredentism, and you haven't provided citations to the contrary. (And no, "pp. 161-176" or " pp. 166-298" is not good enough; you need specific page numbers.) Funar's main platform was "defending the rights of Romanians in Transylvania from Hungarian revanchism"; Vadim Tudor's, in addition to that, was "rehabilitating the image of late communism", and "attacking Jews and Gypsies".

The academic term for sentiment that advocates the union of Romania and Moldova is not "Greater Romania" but "pan-Romanianism", e.g. , , , . Of course, that too can be covered at Unification of Romania and Moldova rather than spun out as a separate article.

The Greater Romania article has plenty of space and scope for covering the development of the idea prior to 1918, its existence over the next twenty-two years, and its manifestations over the last 74 years. This article is a content fork and the sooner it's gone, the better. - Biruitorul 16:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

@User:Fakirbakir In Greater Romania article there was also a phrase referring to present irredentism (When used in a political context it has an irredentist connotation, mainly concerning the territories that were ruled by Romania in the interwar period, that are now part of Ukraine, the Republic of Moldova or Bulgaria.) that was removed by you here. Avpop (talk) 15:10, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The statement as you see it has been unsourced since 2008.Fakirbakir (talk) 15:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

• Delete - Nonsense. The little content from this page, if properly sourced, can be added to Greater Romania. --Codrin.B (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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