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I spent several hours trying to track down exactly where Mandela spoke this, as it is such a beautiful statement, and I wanted to really know if that was how Mandela thought. Much to my disappointment, after doing numerous word searches through his speech database, it became clear that he did not ever say this in any of his recorded speeches. Perhaps somebody should write to him and tell him about the story of this whole mis-quote, so he can put it into one of his future speeches!!!! Scott P. 12:03, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

There are extreme WP:NOR and NPOV issues here. The article claims: "A certain passage from her book is possibly one of the most widely misquoted passages in modern history" needs to be directly attributed. As it stands, it is merely an offhand claim, which is only made POV by its assertion that its "one of the most misquoted"-SV|t 06:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the need for substantiation

Dear Steve,
          You are indeed correct that the way this was worded, it appeared to be mere conjecture. I have since inserted substantiating information, plus additional information about Mrs. Williamson.

Thanks,

Scott P. 20:46, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Not nearly complete...

I'm unclear on a lot of the details, but she was also a minister(for lack of a better word) at the Church of Today (later the Church of Renaissance Unity) in Warren Michigan. There was also a rather ugly departure from the church. Oh yes, it also had a TV show; "Sunday's With Marianne" I believe. I'm not much for elegant wording, so if somebody else wanted to add this in...yeah.

I stuck the stub tag on there. This article really needs more to it. I would do it myself, but you know, exam time :P Limited Moon

Performed Merge

The book had it's own article with very little information. It is doubtful this person meets WP:BIO, but a merge will at least put the information in one place. The article on the book has very little. Ste4k 18:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The redirect from the merge left about four links ambiguous which I cleaned up. Ste4k 19:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Some notes while I am working on this article: I condensed the thesis and completed the merge removing redundancy and added the reference section. Some notes on the reference section: Please don't add "official" web sites since WP cannot ever determine whom is official and whom is not unless the subject in question actually owns the site and is listed with the internet registrar. Also, it's very touching that links to CD's and music sites were added, but a notable person such as Marianne really doesn't need the hype associated with her name and people can dig for those sorts of things on their own. It doesn't make sense to pick out one of thousands of music/CD/DVD sites and associate that site with the subject and it could easily be misconstrued as advertising for one or another site or connecting that site purposely with her name. Ste4k 20:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I dug into the officialness of the web-site in question and the most that we can actually print without any original research is simply the name, address, and webmaster, etc., since it hasn't received any notoriaty of its own at this time. Ste4k 21:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

This is fairly NPOV now, has a variety of notable sources, shows her many perspectives, and it topic centric. Ste4k 22:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

This article is pretty good for a stub, and is quite informative. However, there were a few little grammatical errors (I've fixed a couple) I also removed "But the press has failed to give her the praise she deserves for her work for dying AIDS and cancer patients and the homeless on L.A.'s streets." because it could be interpreted as POV (the Centers for Living sentence is sufficient).

The last paragraph (the part starting with "the message fills...") may also need to be rechecked as possibly being POV. Also, you should give some examples of some of her published works - there's a chance they could have articles on here (if they do, link them - if not, don't). Other than that, it's pretty good. --Coredesat talk 05:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding "the message fills", I agree that it appears POV, however, since it is nearly a direct quote of the cited source, it would actually be POV to change it in any way. It should be noted that no mention here is given to whether or not "filling" is good or bad or otherwise, nor that it does this "filling" in a qualitative sense such as "well" or "poorly". It was a tough decision to make right there. The only POV that I can still admit remains is that by stating that there is something that it "fills", the statement implies that there is a gap. There isn't any real resource to cite for such a gap, nor did the article in question go deep enough to justify that comment. Ste4k 08:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

After some consideration on the matter, I will change the word "fills" to "addresses", and look at rewording that clause. Ste4k 08:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

About the "But the press..." sentence, you should probably leave out the "the press failed to give her the praise she deserves..." even though it's almost a direct quote, but instead rephrase it into something more NPOV, like "(sentence about her opening the Centers for Living). Despite this, she has failed to attract any attention or awareness from the press" or something like that. That's probably not much less POV, but writing NPOV articles is fairly hard work. --Coredesat talk 10:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you completely. And will try to reword and possibly meld the two statements together. We shouldn't be agreeing with any particular POV statement made by a cited source. Ste4k 10:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Created page for "A Return to Love"

In attempting to edit this article, it occurred to me that A Return to Love indeed deserves its own article because the book is the most successful book of ACIM interpretation, and one of the most successful self-help/New Thought books of all time. That in itself makes the book notable. As I mention on the page (a cited and quoted mention, by the way), this book gained Marianne Williamson time on Oprah, 20/20, and was Publisher's Weekly's best seller for about 10 weeks. That in itself makes the book notable.

Marianne Williamson is the author of many other books, but in my opinion only this first one is notable and deserves its own page. Every subsequent book by Marianne Williamson has carried the notice "By the author of A Return to Love". I think it is fine to mention her bibliography on this page, but I think that this one book in particular deserves its own page.

There are certain books that have had deep impacts within certain genres and deserve their own pages aside from the page devoted to the other. For example, Melody Beattie has her own page, and so does the book Codependent No More. I think we have a similar situation with Marianne and Return to Love. -- Andrew Parodi 08:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

If you would read the article and particpate in discussions you would know that there are eighteen books in total and that it has already been decided that this page should contain brief synopsis of those books. Whatever those synopsis are, I will warn you know, will need to have been written in the public by other professional editors and cited in the reference section, otherwise whatever it is will be original research. Ste4k 09:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)